The importance of timing

[SeductiveCameronDEL]

I'm probably not in the best mindset to be posting anything right now, but I'm going to do it anyway because I'm fed up with the line crossing that some men have been trying to pull lately.

I've been going through some stressful times in my personal life in the last couple of weeks. It's ongoing, and I don't want to share what it is, because like I said, it's personal. It's not "Cameron Diablo", it's the actual person behind her, and that person is fairly guarded when it comes to sharing information with virtual strangers. Sorry to temporarily step out of character here, but I'm upset enough to do so.

Here's my issue...when an SP tells you a specific time, it doesn't mean 5 minutes before. It doesn't mean 20 minutes after the scheduled time, either. It doesn't mean when you get to the neighbourhood if it's early, if your meeting ending early, if there's traffic, whatever. It also goes for your prolonged orgasm or because we are having a great conversation about something. I'm going to be vulgar here, but if you don't get to the MSOG portion by the end of our pre-determined date time, I'm not going to fuck you for free for an extra 20 minutes. I know it's considered polite in other situations where an appointment is booked, but it has been stressed on these boards by pretty much every SP. There's a reason we charge by the hour. Timing means a lot in this business. I'm just blown away by people who show up early, or would like me to keep a specific block of time open, like I'm waiting for the cable guy. No, I cannot keep a half hour open for you to show up at 5:30...ish. Would it be ok if the situation were reversed, and your favourite SP showed up in your life a half hour early? Late? Followed you home to your family because she hadn't cum yet?

I'm sorry to come across as harsh, but it makes me feel taken advantage of when something as simple as timing can't be followed, and when my emotional state is already fragile, keeping in character for extra time is sometimes really, really difficult. Most of people use smartphones, and even with different carriers or brands, the clock is already set to the same time as everyone else's. When someone arrives early, not only am I still dealing with the last touches of prep (which are for your benefit in the first place), it gives the impression that you view our time together as a casual, which then leads me to worry about how much earlier next time might be, or if you will cross other lines. I know there is a large population of men out there who view our jobs as SPs as easy, or even lucky. I agree, wholeheartedly. I love that I'm able to be in this line of work, and I love that I am able to completely be self-sufficient like I would never be able to do in any other job I would qualify for, and even a lot that require a higher education. But please keep in mind that escorts charge the rates they do because it's a job or career that takes a strong sense of character to be in. Even SPs that start their rates below other's still make more than a woman would in most other jobs. It can take a lot out of you to step into the right frame of mind and stay there when everything in your life may not be the most amazing.

I'm sure there will be people who believe that's part of the job, and I should shut up, and I agree. Which is why I'm bitching about the time. I do shut up for the time we booked. SPs keep up our end of the deal for the time we agreed upon. Please respect that, and remember that we are human beings with feelings and lives outside of our alter egos. We need to give ourselves some extra love sometimes, too.

 

[Ms Erica Phoenix]

I can relate as well. I had a client show up early after specifically asking if I needed more time to get to the incall in Vancouver that I was using. I rushed through rush hour, parked, ran upstairs to get ready and give my hostess time to do what she needed. THEN he showed up early. Then he had a challenge with the elevator because he pushed the button for the buzzer code, not the suite the floor was on. Since it is a high end and well secured building, he then got locked out of the elevator. I offered to put my clothes back on (since he'd requested I be naked and waiting) and ran downstairs to bring him up. By 5:10 he had stormed off in a huff, all pissed off at me because I kept him waiting. Ruined my whole evening and cost me time and money. That was Thursday evening.

I will never see him again for treating me in such an incredibly disrespectful evening. Like you, Cameron, I am proud of what I do and how I do it. When my seventy four year old mother asked me last Saturday 'What are you doing that explains your sudden reversal in financial circumstances?; (Yeah, that's really the way my family and I talk to one another...) I said "I help sexually unsatisfied men who lack true intimacy in their lives to feel happier and more relaxed and better about themselves." Telling the truth is liberating. So is expressing frustration and emotion. We're not sexbots; we're people. We deserve to be regarded as such.

 

[BORKO]

I'm probably not in the best mindset to be posting anything right now, but I'm going to do it anyway because I'm fed up with the line crossing that some men have been trying to pull lately.

I've been going through some stressful times in my personal life in the last couple of weeks. It's ongoing, and I don't want to share what it is, because like I said, it's personal. It's not "Cameron Diablo", it's the actual person behind her, and that person is fairly guarded when it comes to sharing information with virtual strangers. Sorry to temporarily step out of character here, but I'm upset enough to do so.

Here's my issue...when an SP tells you a specific time, it doesn't mean 5 minutes before. It doesn't mean 20 minutes after the scheduled time, either. It doesn't mean when you get to the neighbourhood if it's early, if your meeting ending early, if there's traffic, whatever. It also goes for your prolonged orgasm or because we are having a great conversation about something. I'm going to be vulgar here, but if you don't get to the MSOG portion by the end of our pre-determined date time, I'm not going to fuck you for free for an extra 20 minutes. I know it's considered polite in other situations where an appointment is booked, but it has been stressed on these boards by pretty much every SP. There's a reason we charge by the hour. Timing means a lot in this business. I'm just blown away by people who show up early, or would like me to keep a specific block of time open, like I'm waiting for the cable guy. No, I cannot keep a half hour open for you to show up at 5:30...ish. Would it be ok if the situation were reversed, and your favourite SP showed up in your life a half hour early? Late? Followed you home to your family because she hadn't cum yet?

I'm sorry to come across as harsh, but it makes me feel taken advantage of when something as simple as timing can't be followed, and when my emotional state is already fragile, keeping in character for extra time is sometimes really, really difficult. Most of people use smartphones, and even with different carriers or brands, the clock is already set to the same time as everyone else's. When someone arrives early, not only am I still dealing with the last touches of prep (which are for your benefit in the first place), it gives the impression that you view our time together as a casual, which then leads me to worry about how much earlier next time might be, or if you will cross other lines. I know there is a large population of men out there who view our jobs as SPs as easy, or even lucky. I agree, wholeheartedly. I love that I'm able to be in this line of work, and I love that I am able to completely be self-sufficient like I would never be able to do in any other job I would qualify for, and even a lot that require a higher education. But please keep in mind that escorts charge the rates they do because it's a job or career that takes a strong sense of character to be in. Even SPs that start their rates below other's still make more than a woman would in most other jobs. It can take a lot out of you to step into the right frame of mind and stay there when everything in your life may not be the most amazing.

I'm sure there will be people who believe that's part of the job, and I should shut up, and I agree. Which is why I'm bitching about the time. I do shut up for the time we booked. SPs keep up our end of the deal for the time we agreed upon. Please respect that, and remember that we are human beings with feelings and lives outside of our alter egos. We need to give ourselves some extra love sometimes, too.

It does sound like you're going through a rough time right now so maybe things like this are especially magnified in the impact that have upon you.

Lateness happens both ways though, I've had outcalls where she was supposed to be there at 11 but doesn't arrive until 1. I have also had incall visits where it was supposed to be 4, I txt her earlier at 3:55 to let her know I'm in the area, she says she'll be ready, but nope at 4 she's not ready, give her 10 more minutes, then at 4:10 it's give her another 10 minutes and then I don't actually arrive in the incall until 4:28 after wandering the streets playing with my phone and buying coconut water for the last 33 minutes. I've also had a situation where I was running late, I txted her 15 minutes to let her know I'd be late, without a response, then when I arrive 12 minutes late, I get told I'm too late and should leave... why didn't she just let me know that that would be too late after the first text? All these situations are pretty annoying in my book, but I try to understand.

I'd think the only solution really, is to charge for the time that you have as you have scheduled it. If you have a 1 hour appointment from 3 to 4, and they arrive at 3:30, then they get billed at the full 1 hour rate for an appointment that lasts from 330 to 4. If they haven't had an orgasm by 4, then take the penis out of whatever part of you that it is in, then shoo them away.

If you are have a rough go of things, then if you can, perhaps it is time to take a break or even slow down and just see established regulars that you know won't irk you until things get better in your personal life.

Finally, having met you, I think you are selling yourself short if you don't think you can do something else that can make you this self-sufficient. You probably just haven't found it yet.

 

[nickcan]

Finally, having met you, I think you are selling yourself short if you don't think you can do something else that can make you this self-sufficient. You probably just haven't found it yet.

Maybe she could but highly unlikely.
If it's $300/hour x 4 clients a day=$1200 tax free dollars/day, that's a specialist/surgeon salary.
Only way an SP could possibly make more is if they make it in Hollywood as an actress or open your own brothel/agency and demand a big cut.

 

[SeductiveCameronDEL]

Maybe she could but highly unlikely.
If it's $300/hour x 4 clients a day=$1200 tax free dollars/day, that's a specialist/surgeon salary.
Only way an SP could possibly make more is if they make it in Hollywood as an actress or open your own brothel/agency and demand a big cut.

HA! 4 clients huh? Not that I ever see that many clients a day, but Victoria doesn't have the market for it. I would have seen everyone within a month. Why would you assume I'm ballin?

 

[nickcan]

HA! 4 clients huh? Not that I ever see that many clients a day, but Victoria doesn't have the market for it. I would have seen everyone within a month. Why would you assume I'm ballin?

I am guessing lots of repeat customers and didn't think Victoria would be much worse than Vancouver.
For Vancouver 4 x 1 hour appointments a day seems realistic if the SP for example starts at 11 am and works until 10 pm.
Even better would be 2 appointments a day x 2 hour duration visits.

 

[Ms Erica Phoenix]

Even better would be 2 appointments a day x 2 hour duration visits.

And that will ALWAYS be why I don't do visits under 60, and prefer over 90. Minutes, that is.

 

[Claire Monet]

Timing is important. For me 5min late is always better than 5min early. I don't typically hang out at my incall, I don't live there, it takes time to get there and get the place and myself ready. I truly try to be on time as best as I can however sometimes I may need a few extra min to get everything polished.

Like nickcan's post it always seems to baffle me that some men think we ALL see multiple clients a day every day and on top of that don't pay our taxes. ?!? I, for one, can say that's not how I run my business. I see a select few per week, pay my taxes, and some days/weeks don't see anyone. We're not all rolling in beds of money. For me, above all else, this profession provides flexibility.

Maybe she could but highly unlikely.
If it's $300/hour x 4 clients a day=$1200 tax free dollars/day, that's a specialist/surgeon salary.
Only way an SP could possibly make more is if they make it in Hollywood as an actress or open your own brothel/agency and demand a big cut.

Cameron, I'm sorry to hear you're going through a rough time. Hugs.

 

[westwoody]

I am guessing lots of repeat customers and didn't think Victoria would be much worse than Vancouver.
For Vancouver 4 x 1 hour appointments a day seems realistic if the SP for example starts at 11 am and works until 10 pm.
Even better would be 2 appointments a day x 2 hour duration visits.

A lot of calculations based on a complete lack of raw data. You don't have the knowledge to make these assumptions, so don't. You don't know how many she appointments she has per day, you don't know how many hours a day she works, you don't know her overhead.

These posts where guys have all the financials figured out are almost a cliche.

 

[SeductiveCameronDEL]

A lot of calculations based on a complete lack of raw data. You don't have the knowledge to make these assumptions, so don't. You don't know how many she appointments she has per day, you don't know how many hours a day she works, you don't know her overhead.

These posts where guys have all the financials figured out are almost a cliche.

Very well said. Thank you.

 

[nickcan]

A lot of calculations based on a complete lack of raw data. You don't have the knowledge to make these assumptions, so don't. You don't know how many she appointments she has per day, you don't know how many hours a day she works, you don't know her overhead.

These posts where guys have all the financials figured out are almost a cliche.

Do you think an SP who sees 6 clients a day will tell us the truth? Some SP's post around the clock 7 days a week on erslist that they are available, don't want to name names.
We will never know the truth but my guess of 4 clients a day can't be that from the truth if she provides good service and looks good.

 

[Vitargo]

I agree with most of what you said. But am I rude if I'm 5-10min early and say "I'm here a little a little early whenever your ready". I don't see anything wrong with that, other SP's is that ok? I always see comments of pooners saying an SP is a clockwatcher well ya I pay for a specific amount of time and expect no more no reason I should get more time.

 

[westwoody]

But am I rude if I'm 5-10min early and say "I'm here a little a little early whenever your ready".

If I am a bit early I send a text like that. If she says come on up, fine, if she says wait til the right time, that's fine too.

Sometimes she can't text because she's in the middle of doing her makeup or something. That's fine too.

I guess I'm not very assertive?

 

[Ms Erica Phoenix]

I agree with most of what you said. But am I rude if I'm 5-10min early and say "I'm here a little a little early whenever your ready". I don't see anything wrong with that, other SP's is that ok? I always see comments of pooners saying an SP is a clockwatcher well ya I pay for a specific amount of time and expect no more no reason I should get more time.

Speaking only for myself, as long as you let me know that you're a few minutes early or if you are running a little behind.When my first appointment arrived this morning I was just stepping out of the shower. He called when he was parked, as I requested, and was more than happy to wait 10 minutes so I could put on my perfume, stockings, jewellery and lipstick! If you arrive 30 minutes early, that's not OK. If you arrive 15 minutes early after asking me if I need 30 minutes extra, and get pissed off that I'm not ready yet, you're rude and presumptive. Likewise if you arrive 45 minutes late after you've repeatedly ignored my stated policies and procedures. We ALL need to be respectful of each other's time.

 

[beginner]

Do you know what upsets me, is some SP's who misrepresent themselves and their services, and that's before they stand you up. Lying about their age, posting fake pictures, cutting sessions short and embellishing the services they offer. It's a two way street ladies. Remember, character is not a pre-requisite in this industry, on both sides of the equation.

 

[Ms Erica Phoenix]

Do you know what upsets me, is some SP's who misrepresent themselves and their services, and that's before they stand you up. Lying about their age, posting fake pictures, cutting sessions short and embellishing the services they offer. It's a two way street ladies. Remember, character is not a pre-requisite in this industry, on both sides of the equation.

I can see why that would be upsetting. However, that's not what Cameron is doing, nor is it what she is known for. CameronDiablo is known as one of the most sought after escorts and GEUNUINE COURTESAN EXPERIENCE providers in this province and anywhere else she turns. Lest any gents rush into white knight, you ought to know she doesn't need it. The pet peeve thread is elsewhere. The topic of this thread is the etiquette of arrival times.

 

[Smoothmover]

I could have sworn I just read some bitching about how some SP's don't like it when arriving early, you wait outside there building, don't pace up and down the street, don't just sit in your car and stare at the house etc... now WHAT EXACTLY are we supposed to do then we arrive 5 or 10 minutes early when we might be navigating a 40 minute drive, which might take only 30 if traffic is light, but could easily take 50 if we can't find parking.... GOD FORBID we are 5 or 10 minutes late, then time that should come out of our appointment, but if we arrive early then we are equally scorned... remember we are talking about minutes here.... not hours....

 

[hornygandalf]

Maybe she could but highly unlikely.
If it's $300/hour x 4 clients a day=$1200 tax free dollars/day, that's a specialist/surgeon salary.
Only way an SP could possibly make more is if they make it in Hollywood as an actress or open your own brothel/agency and demand a big cut.

There is a BIG assumption made here that is not necessarily correct, and could be somewhat insulting, and that is to suggest that she isn't paying any tax.
This is a legal business, so why screw things up by working it illegally? Also, the numbers are gross, and like any business, there are certain overheads that need to be paid, so this doesn't by any means represent her net income. The number of clients seen per day is also an assumption.

 

[nickcan]

If it is true what a lot of sp's say, mostly 2 clients a day, then this timing issue should not be a factor.

Exactly!
One appointment in the afternoon and one in evening then 5-20 minute early/late wouldn't bother you as much.

 

[nickcan]

There is a BIG assumption made here that is not necessarily correct, and could be somewhat insulting, and that is to suggest that she isn't paying any tax.
This is a legal business, so why screw things up by working it illegally? Also, the numbers are gross, and like any business, there are certain overheads that need to be paid, so this doesn't by any means represent her net income. The number of clients seen per day is also an assumption.

Read my other response to westwoody.
Probably some pay taxes but can't see the majority paying.
It's like reporting tips sure they claim some but not all.