Dumb and Dumber

[Ms Erica Phoenix]

and if when i showed up at the door i said i really like you but i don't want to spend any money to fuck you, your answer would be?

it's the exchange of money that makes it prostitution

The exchange of money makes it a business transaction...The effect upon my behaviour is that, while I do genuinely enjoy what I do, it is my business. If you came into my restaurant, you'd have to pay for your meal. If you come in for a shave and a haircut, it's six bits ;D

 

[susi]

its about ending "patriarchy". they truly don't care about consensual sex workers. we should be punished in their minds for our refusal to buy their brand of feminism and they view us, adult consensual sex workers, as a reasonable casualty in their war on men...

the sex purchase ban will mean no brothels (same as we had before), no apartments for known prostitutes ( the swedish condominium act- making us homeless ) and that all sex workers children will be seized (child corruption act- all sex workers are damaged and incapable of caring for themselves let alone their children)

i know it seems like they want to save the poor victimized prostitutes, but they don't. they want to punish men.

@hank and other experts....

is it not a gender discrimination case when their arguments so clearly label all men as violent predators? if we were to say all women should be home makers and have babies, staying home and having babies....and then pass a law based on this ideal....wouldn't that be discrimination based on gender?

i don't think that the government will ever protect any pooners from fake pictures...lol...but its interesting to hear people here talk about the rights of clients....if we had decriminalization, pooners could form consumer groups like the better business bureau and workers and agencies could be granted membership for being honest, using real pics, not robbing people....

 

[phreak]

and if when i showed up at the door i said i really like you but i don't want to spend any money to fuck you, your answer would be?

i thought so

so the money does have some effect on influencing your behaviour, as it does not have with a casual sex partner

this is what i am getting at. unfortunately i used the word coercion above, which was the wrong choice of words

it's the exchange of money that makes it prostitution

Make no mistake, on so many occasions casual sex is practically no different from prostitution: the exchange of money may be in the form of 'favours', not cash. A girl may want to be treated with dinner, gifts, vacations at a guy's expense; or she may want to get promoted by her manager, etc. The interesting observation is that sex with that girl may be quite mediocre compare to a good prostitute, and that's considering that you've spent way more money on her than you would on a prostitute...

 

[Lo-ki]

Holy cow...when people star using such words as "whores and whoremongers..." it really pushes my button.

Every person for which I "DONATE" for there services are considered by me as Service Provider"

Not WHORES or PROSTITUTES

Loki

 

[phreak]

BTW, can anybody clarify the following issue: why everyone is talking about the government coming up with the new legislation on prostitution? The government is the executive power, and technically executives should not be drawing new laws - that's what the parliament (legislative power) is for. I understand that in Canada there are no clear separation of powers (which pretty much means no democracy), but still my understanding that the government can come up with a bill which may or may not be approved by the parliament. Is this the case?

 

[phreak]

Holy cow...when people star using such words as "whores and whoremongers..." it really pushes my button.

Every person for which I "DONATE" for there services are considered by me as Service Provider"

Not WHORES or PROSTITUTES

Loki

Correct... but it seems we are coerced by our retarded justice minister to use his definitions just to be on the same page with him. BTW, don't forget - you are not a 'client', you are a 'predator' who victimizes 'prostitutes' after they have already been physically and mentally abused by their 'pimps' and 'johns'.

 

[Ms Erica Phoenix]

Holy cow...when people star using such words as "whores and whoremongers..." it really pushes my button.

Every person for which I "DONATE" for there services are considered by me as Service Provider"

Not WHORES or PROSTITUTES

Loki

You're quite right Lo-ki: I used that word deliberately in response to its use to refer to me and my fellow Service Providers. Words have power. I would never EVER refer to my clients as 'johns' or 'tricks' because it's such demeaning language. When I choose to tell people what I do, I refer to myself as an escort, and when people ask about the type of men that I see, I use the phrase 'my clients', 'my guests' or 'my visitors'. It's a mindset, as I see it. I'm no hooker, and I am NOBODY'S whore (unless you're paying me to allow you to call me one...:wink

 

[OldMagpye]

Sheesh. Me hopes da government illegalizes da hole prostitution thing. Cuz me likes breaking da laws. Adds to the flavour of the experience.

 

[phreak]

Oh. I didn't know that you lived in a different country. And yes, we have a democracy; one based on an older democracy than that of the USA. As the current government controls the majority of the seats in the commons, and the prime ministers over the years (starting wirth Mr. Trudeau the elder) have concentrated power in the prime minister's office, and has turned the back bench MPs into trained seals, any legislation has to stink pretty bad to the majority of people for it not to pass into law.

It's good to have an expert on Canadian democracy around... I'm personally quite disappointed with the Canadian version of 'democracy' simply because it is lacking the basic attributes of democracy. What is the ancient definition of 'democracy'? The rule of the majority, right? Strangely, even this one is missing entirely: in Canada a political party can form 'minority' government with less then 40% of votes and 'majority' one with a bit more than 40%. Did Canadians learn math at school? Majority cannot be less than 50%, isn't it obvious? The whole idea that the government can be legitimate with less than 50% of all votes is absolutely undemocratic. If no party got more than 50% after the first round of elections, it is essential to have the second round with 2 winners of the first one to ensure the support of the majority. And the concept of 'minority' government is just sick - no minority should ever rule in a democratic society.

But there is so much more to it than just the rule of the majority. The second mandatory rule is the separation of powers (executive, legislative and judicial). What do we have here? Government ministers actually sit in the parliament and introduce new laws and vote on them together with other MPs. What a disaster! Isn't it the obvious conflict of interests in this situation? But we also have Senate, which is not even elected, and as we all know now, extremely corrupt.

In addition to the insanity mentioned above, Canadians don't even vote for the prime minister directly - how democratic is that? It doesn't come as a surprise that unpopular ideas can easily become laws as long as they suit the ruling elite. Welcome to the 'banana republic' of Canada!

 

[sdw]

It's good to have an expert on Canadian democracy around... I'm personally quite disappointed with the Canadian version of 'democracy' simply because it is lacking the basic attributes of democracy. What is the ancient definition of 'democracy'? The rule of the majority, right?

Huh? The ancient version of Democracy was never inclusive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenian_democracy

Citizenship in Athens

Only adult male Athenian citizens who had completed their military training as ephebes had the right to vote in Athens. The percentage of the population that actually participated in the government was roughly 20% of the total number of people but this varied from the fifth to the fourth century BC.[4] This excluded from voting a majority of the population, namely slaves, freed slaves, children, women and metics.

http://canadiandimension.com/articles/2488/ Canada restricted the vote to men

“When I speak of representation by population, the house will of course understand that universal suffrage is not in any way sanctioned,” said John A. Macdonald during a debate about Canadian confederation. The danger of mob rule, of open democracy, should of course be discouraged. The rabble are to be kept out.

The USA had voter's registration acts that deliberately put obstacles in the way of people being able to vote into the early 70s.

http://thoughtcatalog.com/nico-lang...-to-this-1960s-black-voter-registration-test/

There are several more pages to the test. Of course, niggers weren't permitted to attend school. That's what L B Johnson and Richard Nixon changed with their education and integration laws.

 

[phreak]

'The danger of mob rule, of open democracy, should of course be discouraged. The rabble are to be kept out.' - OMG, and that's our Canadian heritage... what a shame... may be that's where Hitler took his ideas from. Sounds pretty much like him.

 

[PlayfulAlex]

Holy cow...when people star using such words as "whores and whoremongers..." it really pushes my button.

Every person for which I "DONATE" for there services are considered by me as Service Provider"

Not WHORES or PROSTITUTES

Loki

Forty Reasons Why Whores Are My Heroes

http://anniesprinkle.org/forty-reasons-why-whores-are-my-heroes

 

[vancity_cowboy]

you also have to remember that you can count on at least half of the population to be against prostitution - the female half. the last thing they want is somewhere their husbands or so's can go to get their rocks off with no strings attached. it breaks the tyranny of sex that they currently hold

all they need is a few guys to vote with them and there isn't a hope in hell that prostitution would ever be legally accepted

so count your lucky stars that we don't have a true democracy where people get to vote on minor issues such as this

hope that between the supreme court and the conservatves, they get something right

 

[Ms Erica Phoenix]

Forty Reasons Why Whores Are My Heroes

http://anniesprinkle.org/forty-reasons-why-whores-are-my-heroes

Thanks Mss Alex! I love Annie Sprinkle's writing.

 

[PlayfulAlex]

Thanks Mss Alex! I love Annie Sprinkle's writing.