FAT isn't a 4 letter word!
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now...that is straight up CRUEL
let me throw a few extra pieces down for good measure
Awwww, thank you so much ! :nod: Now if only I could gain Chilli's respect .... baaaaahahahaha !
Here's a thumbtack or eight.now...that is straight up CRUEL
let me throw a few extra pieces down for good measure
An eating disorder is a medical condition. It's like telling someone who has clinical depression to just "Stop being sad".
I meant to say AFTER the tumours were removed... Personally I believe that there are a lot of people out there with undiagnosed thyroid conditions because doctors are still using the same outdated and very narrow charts to diagnosis hypothyroidism. Stress affects the thyroid; the thyroid controls the rest of your endocrine system. I fixed the stress, I fixed the thyroid and got rid of the tumours. At the same time, I started eating better and walking every day, and I lost 90 pounds in a year, kept it off for a year then lost another 30 this past year.
People who are really skinny get pointed at, laughed at, shamed, mocked, treated like you are not worthy and put at the back of the line in the mating game all the time. As a skinny person I can tell you all of those things are routine, and it is part of the life experience for that demographic. And I have yet to hear anyone make the slightest peep about it, in fact it is socially accepted behaviour because everyone else considers them "unhealthy".
Why should fat people get a free pass and excuses that no one else gets, just because they are fat "and can't help it"? IMO the reason they get sympathy while skinny people don't is that it is much easier to put on weight than to lose it, so the "normal" will always have in the back of their mind that one day that could be them. Becoming skinny is something most people don't have to worry about because it ain't gonna happen, whereas getting fat is a real possibility.
As far as people who have other abuse issues beside food, mostly those are not visible so they don't get the social pressure. When those issues DO become visible however, they get negative social attention in spades.
The point is that if you want to get normal social attention rather than the dysfunctional type, you have to look the norm. When your appearance starts getting into the outlier populations then you are going to start experiencing social rejection. It is normal human nature and everyone in that situation is going to experience it. If you want to avoid it you have to make the effort to get your appearance closer to the norm, otherwise you sure as hell better have a thick skin.
This is a complex area when one is talking about the reasons for obesity. There are many reasons and they can't be treated as one and the same. And I don't think the complexity of the issue is year fully understood by the medical system. For some, it is a case of overeating, and overeating the wrong kinds of food, and not getting sufficient exercise. But, there is also the question of why they are doing that and the answer can be quite complex. And then there are others that are genetically that way and it isn't simply a case of one's diet and degree of movement.
But when it comes to social preferences and the abuse that those heavier than some so called norm endure, that is a lot simpler. In many cases it is bullying, it is intolerance and plain cruel. It is us, the 'other' that needs to change our attitudes if we cannot act in a loving and compassionate way. Is it easy for me to say. No. I do have preferences as to what is visually attractive. But I also have to go beyond that to the essence of the person themselves. That is something I have to work on.
For me, I have the opposite problem. It is so darn difficult to find shirts I like that aren't too big, because many stores don't stock S or XS (which is what actually fits me the best). And then there is the issue of being 'vertically challenged' and so many women want their men to be tall, which automatically excludes me. Whereas some obese people are able to lose a significant portion of their weight at some point, I'm not able to sprout a few extra inches. And that leaves me dealing with those who can't look beyond the superficial issue of height.
But when it comes to social preferences and the abuse that those heavier than some so called norm endure, that is a lot simpler. In many cases it is bullying, it is intolerance and plain cruel. It is us, the 'other' that needs to change our attitudes if we cannot act in a loving and compassionate way. Is it easy for me to say. No. I do have preferences as to what is visually attractive. But I also have to go beyond that to the essence of the person themselves. That is something I have to work on.
For me, I have the opposite problem. It is so darn difficult to find shirts I like that aren't too big, because many stores don't stock S or XS (which is what actually fits me the best). And then there is the issue of being 'vertically challenged' and so many women want their men to be tall, which automatically excludes me. Whereas some obese people are able to lose a significant portion of their weight at some point, I'm not able to sprout a few extra inches. And that leaves me dealing with those who can't look beyond the superficial issue of height.
Really?
Then why is it that North Americans are the only ones that suffer from this medical condition?
Why is it that North America has some of the worst obesity rates in the world?
Why don't people in Asia and Africa suffer from this so called "medical condition"
Wake up, it's not a medical condition and it's 100% preventable by eating less and exercising more.
Being fat is unhealthy, it's gross, you shorten your life span, it increases your chances of diabetes, high blood pressure, certain cancers, liver, kidney and heart disease.
It also wrecks your joints.
Well I guess it will be good for the scooter business - when you get fat enough and your joints can no longer support your weight - you can just drive yourself around.
actually it's not only north america. i've seen many pockets of obese people in other parts of the world too. it almost always happens where there is a natural disaster of some sort and large amounts of food are sent in by various relief efforts. i'm not sure if it's due to the kind of food that gets sent in, or whether it's 'free' food or what, but a year or two after you can almost always see the obesity showing up
in north america i would say it's largely due to food additives - although in the states they serve HUGE portions in their restaurants (so presumably in their homes too) and those big folks just scarf it all down... every day!!
but i do agree with you in principle
Canada is #6 highest rate .. there is a worldwide problem due to urbanization and the advancement of technology verses physical labor. If the solution is just eat less and exercise more the whole world is pretty fucked up.
I sincerely think that there is something in animal products perhaps something to fatten up the animals prior to slaughter that makes people crave food and become obese. I have given up animal products for the most part (for a couple of years) .. no dairy, no meat I eat as much vegan as I can by just shopping at regular stores. I've always been very athletic but at the same time carried a lot of extra weight. Just last week I went to a new walk in clinic closer to my home to fill my prescriptions and the doctor did a quick check up .. looked in ears and throat and took blood pressure .. as he was writing out the prescriptions ( anti-depressants for S.A.D. which I have a severe case of) he asked me if I had any other health concerns ... I said well ... my weight I guess. He stood back ... eyed me up and down ... lifted up my shirt .. looked at my abdomen ... he said "I think you are very well muscled and you look pretty fit" .. I found myself trying to convince him I'm obese when really maybe I'm not anymore. Having been obese/fat/overweight or whatever all my life I've found a way to lose weight without 'dieting' that seems to be working. I don't necessarily believe obesity is a medical condition just like I'm not sure if drug addiction and alcoholism is a medical condition .. it's more a mental/social/economic condition but it's very complex in nature and not a lot of fun for those afflicted by it. I believe everybody has one issue or another with themselves that could use improvement, no one is perfect and no one has all the answers.
Just a few things from my point of view. I personally think so one wants to get fat but there are things beyond our control. I am pretty sure being obese is a medical condition that can be due to many reasons like poor insight and not able to themselves as fat and lot of times it runs in your genetics which is hard to change if you are genetically predisposed to. Although life style and eating habits is contributing factors. People can obese due to other condition like hypothyroidism that effect our metabolism and how hard you try it's hard to get ride of fat until you treat the cause itself.
We have to accept it that obese people have some underlying problem which might need medical or psychological assessment. Having said that blaming people for being obese is not the solution of the problem rather talking openly like okay I aM fat and what can do about it and ask your doctors friends family and people who had lost their weight. Also people who they say they lost of weight may need to consider that a sudden lost so weight say 50 pounds in 6 months is not health for you and there are some medical condition that induce weight lost and maybe a warning sign not for everyone though.
Also some people chose to be obese and how are we judge them same as some Poole take drugs, alcohol we do say it is not good but some people say it my peso al choice.
For me personally telling some that you are fat is judging without knowing maybe it's due to some reason beyond their control.
We have to accept it that obese people have some underlying problem which might need medical or psychological assessment. Having said that blaming people for being obese is not the solution of the problem rather talking openly like okay I aM fat and what can do about it and ask your doctors friends family and people who had lost their weight. Also people who they say they lost of weight may need to consider that a sudden lost so weight say 50 pounds in 6 months is not health for you and there are some medical condition that induce weight lost and maybe a warning sign not for everyone though.
Also some people chose to be obese and how are we judge them same as some Poole take drugs, alcohol we do say it is not good but some people say it my peso al choice.
For me personally telling some that you are fat is judging without knowing maybe it's due to some reason beyond their control.
i'm a great believer in the bell curve when describing naturally occurring populations
this depiction of the curve shows percentages of the population that fall within 1, 2, 3 and 4 standard deviations of the arithmetic mean - or 'average'. Average falls dead in the middle of the curve so that's where the most individuals are. standard deviations are shown on the horizontal axis as positive/negative 1 through 4
so 68% of a population falls within 1 standard deviation of the average. a total 27% of the population falls between 1 and 2 standard deviations (positive and negative combined). and a total of 5% falls in the greater than 2 standard deviations
'normal' people fall within the positive and negative 1 standard deviation limits. that is, no significant diseases, conditions, etc. if anybody from that category is morbidly obese, then they are just plain gluttonous or lazy or both. this group comprises 68% of what we are talking about
'controllably sick' people fall between the positive and negative 1 and 2 standard deviations. they have either naturally husky body types or have borderline health conditions that if ignored can easily lead to morbid obesity. in some cases they require reasonable medical intervention, or counselling for self-image problems, or they have to lay off the smokes and booze and drugs. but these are all attainable goals. anybody that can't attain them just isn't paying attention. this group comprises 27% of what we are talking about
'uncontrollably sick' people fall in the greater than positive and negative 2 standard deviation limits. genetics, thyroid, addiction issues, diabetes, cardio-vascular problems, cancers, etc. all can lead to morbid obesity in these people. this group comprises only 5% of what we are talking about
so you're all correct, you're just not seeing the entire problem
NOW, making fun of these people to their face is another completely separate problem altogether. this is called being an asshole - and there's just no cure for that
this depiction of the curve shows percentages of the population that fall within 1, 2, 3 and 4 standard deviations of the arithmetic mean - or 'average'. Average falls dead in the middle of the curve so that's where the most individuals are. standard deviations are shown on the horizontal axis as positive/negative 1 through 4
so 68% of a population falls within 1 standard deviation of the average. a total 27% of the population falls between 1 and 2 standard deviations (positive and negative combined). and a total of 5% falls in the greater than 2 standard deviations
'normal' people fall within the positive and negative 1 standard deviation limits. that is, no significant diseases, conditions, etc. if anybody from that category is morbidly obese, then they are just plain gluttonous or lazy or both. this group comprises 68% of what we are talking about
'controllably sick' people fall between the positive and negative 1 and 2 standard deviations. they have either naturally husky body types or have borderline health conditions that if ignored can easily lead to morbid obesity. in some cases they require reasonable medical intervention, or counselling for self-image problems, or they have to lay off the smokes and booze and drugs. but these are all attainable goals. anybody that can't attain them just isn't paying attention. this group comprises 27% of what we are talking about
'uncontrollably sick' people fall in the greater than positive and negative 2 standard deviation limits. genetics, thyroid, addiction issues, diabetes, cardio-vascular problems, cancers, etc. all can lead to morbid obesity in these people. this group comprises only 5% of what we are talking about
so you're all correct, you're just not seeing the entire problem
NOW, making fun of these people to their face is another completely separate problem altogether. this is called being an asshole - and there's just no cure for that
I do really like chili, so I was torn as to whether to engage a beloved stew in debate, however, my sense of justice has prevailed over spicy jalapeño memories.
First, all medical conditions cost. Part of the reason we try to cure them. The availability of cheap processed foods which are easy to store and ship, loaded with simple carbs and fat which can be very mentally addictive when combined, are a big part of the reason so many people are fat. Especially people with an eating disorder.
Someone who overeats to deal with stress and becomes addicted to the act and feeling of overeating, which is much easier with sugary,salty,fatty foods that are barely worth the calories they contain so the person still craves and eats and the cycle continues.
No one wants to eat a whole pie. After a couple pieces the pleasure from eating that pie is all but gone. Yet, the obsessive eating disordered person continues to eat, even when they feel sick they continue to eat....because it is an obsessive disorder. If this is the case, and if certain carb-rich foods contribute to the cycle because the combination of fat and sugar can be very mentally addictive, why not, like Jessica and others suggest, try to help not harm.
My personal life motto is "Solve the problem first and assign blame later"
Okay, it's lifted from Japan, like many of my personal philosophies. Still, it makes a lot of sense.
I lost roughly 14% of my body weight over the last two years or so. I still have a bit to go but I'm close enough that I don't have to worry about it. I did it simply: I ate less and I did more. I was conscious of what I ate and how much I was eating. I increased my level of physical activity to make sure that I was eating less calories per day than I was consuming.
It took self-imposed discipline. I had my reasons but nonetheless I kept myself motivated. I'm probably in the best shape of my life now and I only have room to improve. Before all of this I didn't pay attention to my fitness at all. It can be done. You have to believe in yourself and your ability to do things you might not think possible.
It took self-imposed discipline. I had my reasons but nonetheless I kept myself motivated. I'm probably in the best shape of my life now and I only have room to improve. Before all of this I didn't pay attention to my fitness at all. It can be done. You have to believe in yourself and your ability to do things you might not think possible.
