Justice Minister Peter MacKay: Produce new legislation legalizing prostitution

Justice Minister Peter MacKay: Produce new legislation legalizing prostitution and related activities.

SOURCE:
http://www.change.org/petitions/justice-minister-peter-mackay-produce-new-legislation-legalizing-prostitution-and-related-activities

Sex work is and always will be a part of life. Follow the Supreme Court's ruling, and recognize that our current laws regarding prostitution and related offences violatiolates the constitutional guarantee to life, liberty and security of the person.

There is a big difference between protecting children against trafficking and child pornography, and protecting adults from being forced into sex work, and the very real industry of voluntary sex workers. The majority of members of the sex industry are there of their own free will, and by legalizing the industry, we make it safer for all. It also encourages workers to report abuse (including physical and sexual assault) which they may be hesitant to do while it is illegal. Legalizing the industry also permits people to work in safe environments, such as well-run brothels, where their safety is more assured than when working in more anonymous situations.

There will always be prostitution, the question is whether we would rather shame and marginalize, or respect, protect, and tax it.

For more information on sex work, check out http://www.spoc.ca/
To:
Minister Peter McKay, Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada
Minister Jason Kenney, Employment Minister
Produce new legislation legalizing prostitution and related activities.

Sex work is and always will be a part of life. Follow the Supreme Court's ruling, and recognize that our current laws regarding prostitution and related offences violatiolates the constitutional guarantee to life, liberty and security of the person.

There is a big difference between protecting children against trafficking and child pornography, and protecting adults from being forced into sex work, and the very real industry of voluntary sex workers. The majority of members of the sex industry are there of their own free will, and by legalizing the industry, we make it safer for all. It also encourages workers to report abuse (including physical and sexual assault) which they may be hesitant to do while it is illegal. Legalizing the industry also permits people to work in safe environments, such as well-run brothels, where their safety is more assured than when working in more anonymous situations.

There will always be prostitution, the question is whether we would rather shame and marginalize, or respect, protect, and tax it.

For more information on sex work, check out http://www.spoc.ca/

This is incredibly important, and we, the voters, taxpayers, and citizens of Canada, want this legislation to go through.
PETITION: http://www.change.org/petitions/justice-minister-peter-mackay-produce-new-legislation-legalizing-prostitution-and-related-activities
 

HankQuinlan

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Justice Minister Peter MacKay: Produce new legislation legalizing prostitution and related activities.

SOURCE:
http://www.change.org/petitions/justice-minister-peter-mackay-produce-new-legislation-legalizing-prostitution-and-related-activities

This is simply not going to happen with the current government. Look forward instead to the legislation criminalizing me and others like me, and marginalizing you as someone who doesn't realize she is a victim and must be helped (but without any additional resources, or course). Unless there is another point to sending them a petition other than the faintest hope they would pay attention?

The Liberals may look at their position at the next convention; a reasonable position has been put forward by BC Young Liberals in the hope it will be presented as a platform. I don't know the chances of them adopting it, but it is a much greater chance that they will and that they will be elected than there is that Conservatives will consider it. Much better to spend the time and effort educating them.
 
This is simply not going to happen with the current government. Look forward instead to the legislation criminalizing me and others like me, and marginalizing you as someone who doesn't realize she is a victim and must be helped (but without any additional resources, or course). Unless there is another point to sending them a petition other than the faintest hope they would pay attention?

The Liberals may look at their position at the next convention; a reasonable position has been put forward by BC Young Liberals in the hope it will be presented as a platform. I don't know the chances of them adopting it, but it is a much greater chance that they will and that they will be elected than there is that Conservatives will consider it. Much better to spend the time and effort educating them.

Thanks Hank. You always seem to have a well informed POV
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Well there is something to be said for the petition. The signatory is guaranteed to go on the list of people to be "robocalled" on election day with an updated polling location.

There is no possibility of the Conservative government led by Stephen Harper writing a sane Prostitution Law. The best we can hope for is that they use up the year that they were given and fail to come up with a law acceptable to all of the power groups in the Conservative world. That's what is happening in the USA, the Tea Party people won't agree to anything that is possible - so - nothing is getting done.
 
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at the risk of being out of step with the usual perception around here, i would like to advance the hypothesis that harper doesn't always listen to the christian right

take the abortion issue as an example. i am as sure as i'm sitting here typing that harper has come under a TREMENDOUS amount of pressure to re-write the liberal abortion laws that canada has... let me repeat... a TREMENDOUS amount of pressure! but he has steadfastly refused to do so. he knows it would be political suicide to go against the charter of rights and lose a case (and an election) on such an issue

i suspect the same will hold true regarding prostitution. the (conservative appointed) supreme court has unanimously delivered a rather humane decision on the laws surrounding the way prostitution is carried out, with a rather stern admonition that the charter should govern any new laws formed

i could be wrong but my hunch is that we will not see the doom and gloom scenario that many here are predicting. check back in a couple of years to see whether my hunch is correct or not
 
at the risk of being out of step with the usual perception around here, i would like to advance the hypothesis that harper doesn't always listen to the christian right

take the abortion issue as an example. i am as sure as i'm sitting here typing that harper has come under a TREMENDOUS amount of pressure to re-write the liberal abortion laws that canada has... let me repeat... a TREMENDOUS amount of pressure! but he has steadfastly refused to do so. he knows it would be political suicide to go against the charter of rights and lose a case (and an election) on such an issue

i suspect the same will hold true regarding prostitution. the (conservative appointed) supreme court has unanimously delivered a rather humane decision on the laws surrounding the way prostitution is carried out, with a rather stern admonition that the charter should govern any new laws formed

i could be wrong but my hunch is that we will not see the doom and gloom scenario that many here are predicting. check back in a couple of years to see whether my hunch is correct or not

You got it! ;)
 

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...and then along comes this moron, attempting to argue that the SCC decision is hinting at calling Parliament to adopt the Nordic model. How deluded can this guys be? I actually hope he tries to argue that one in Parliament just to show everyone what an idiot he really is! From MP Jim Hillyer's Facebook page on January 6, 2014:

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On December 20, the Supreme Court of Canada issued a unanimous ruling that declared three key anti-prostitution laws to be unconstitutional – saying that the laws against keeping, working in, or being found in a common bawdy house (or brothel); against living on the avails of prostitution (“pimping”); and against public solicitation for prostitution are unconstitutional because they infringe on the rights of prostitutes by depriving them of security of the person.

At first glance, this looks like a devastating blow against the efforts to reform Canada’s prostitution laws and to make buying sex illegal in Canada. And it will be the devastating blow if we do not seize the opportunity that is presented by this ruling.

While most reporting interprets the ruling as a declaration that prostitution is a constitutional right that cannot be infringed upon, the Supreme Court was careful not to say that. In fact they went beyond that to specifically call attention to the fact that even before this ruling, our prostitution laws were inherently problematic – This ruling is a wakeup call that we must fix our prostitution laws; and the call is urgent, for the Courts have imposed a one year deadline.

The ruling calls attention to a glaring shortcoming in the current legislation – that prostitution itself, even before this ruling, was already legal. Indeed – they call upon parliament to come up with laws that would ‘pass Charter muster.’ In their decision the Court took care to say that these prohibitions are only unconstitutional given the fact that prostitution itself is legal in Canada. Since prostitution is legal, the Supreme Justices say that the three prohibitions make it too difficult for prostitutes to safely engage in sex work. Not only do they not say that prostitution should be legal or that it would be unconstitutional to prohibit prostitution itself – they go so far as to call upon parliament to do just that – find a constitutional way to prohibit prostitution. This invitation is quite telling of the Court’s inclination against the legitimacy of prostitution itself, and that the Judges do not think any laws against it would be unconstitutional.

The ruling consistently emphasizes the role of government to protect the life, health and safety of its citizens – and suggests that laws that contradict this role are unconstitutional. In the Court’s opinion the objective of Canada’s current prostitution laws is to ‘prevent public nuisance.’ Not only does this objective take a back seat to the higher objective of protecting the life, health and safety of prostitutes, it reflects a current lack of concern for the people involved in this industry. A change in objective will both address the ‘nuisance’ and acknowledge the worth and value of those who are involved in the industry and do more to protect their health and safety than simply removing the prohibitions in question (which only gives the illusion of protection.)

In the ruling the Court also suggests that the objective of criminalizing pimping is itself not only constitutionally sound but that we as a society through our laws have a duty to seek to protect people from this exploitation. The prohibition against pimping was struck down, not because exploiting prostitutes itself is a constitutional right, but because the prohibition as written could be used to prevent prostitutes from hiring bodyguards, secretaries and other supportive roles. Again, the Court felt its ruling was bound by the fact that prostitution itself is legal. That they have given us a year to fix this suggests that they think it can (and should) be done.

Fortunately, the federal and provincial lawyers arguing in favour of keeping the 3 prohibitions in question made a common mistake in regards to our understanding about prostitution – that it is simply a free choice by those involved to get involved and to stay involved. They argued that if prostitutes wanted to avoid the inherent risks of prostitution, they could simply choose not to engage in it (suggesting by extension that they must be able to choose to engage in it.) It is fortunate because it drew out an important response from the Court.

The Court’s response to this misplaced argument not only opens the door to make prostitution itself illegal but reveals that it is something that must be done if we are to fulfill the proper role of government. And it contradicts one of the leading justifications for the legality of prostitution – that it is a free exchange between consenting adults, and that therefore the government should not interfere.

The ruling states: “Realistically, while [prostitutes] may retain some minimal power of choice – what the Attorney General of Canada called ‘constrained choice’ – these are not people who can be said to be truly ‘choosing a risky line of business.’ . . . [Many] have no meaningful choice but to do so,” because of financial desperation, drug addictions, pressure from pimps, or other reasons.

Many were surprised that the ruling was unanimous – but I believe these ‘hints’ and suggestions show that the Court is not unanimously agreed that prostitution itself is ‘okay’. In fact their reasons given for the ruling are that prostitution is NOT okay – it is inherently dangerous, and people who enter it do it under constraint. But since it is legal, the prohibitions in question make it even more dangerous; if we do not have the moral courage to more fully protect prostitutes by properly criminalizing the sale of sex, we do not have the constitutional right to take away what small provisions that allow prostitutes to some extent protect themselves.

Anyone who is concerned about judicial activism, and believes that judges should not go beyond interpreting the law as it is, into the realm of creating new law, should be satisfied with this ruling. The Supreme Justices recognized that while they may not be satisfied with the laws against prostitution (or the lack thereof) that they do not have the authority to write new laws. They could not help but rule as they did, for the prohibitions are extremely difficult to justify if prostitution is legal and if it really is just a simple free exchange among consenting adults. But they do not have the authority to make prostitution illegal. They do not have the authority to rewrite the prohibition against pimping so it only applies to pimping. All they can do is accept a law or strike it down.
The fact that the Court made the highly unusual decision to stay their ruling for one year suggests that not only does Parliament have the right to fix our prostitution laws, that the Court believes that there is a constitutional way to do it and that they imply it is our duty to do so.

The Nordic or Swedish model that I have written about would do just that. I believe that with some careful legislating the general model can satisfy the Court’s proper concern for the protection of the life, health and safety of prostitutes, and addresses their correct recognition that this is not just another ‘trade’ or ‘profession’ but that it is inherently dangerous and demeaning, and that is NOT simply a matter of a free exchange among consenting adults.

Please see the following posts and articles for a more fulsome discussion about the justification and need for implementing the Nordic Model here in Canada (December Herald column, Facebook post introducing survey, question period statement etc). As well, you can also participate in my survey (www.jimhillyer.com) to share your views.
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There is one major error in the wording of the petition.
PROSTITUTION IS LEGAL IN CANADA

So get your facts right before writing patitions. which mean nothing
 
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