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i got my first dui and need some advice

blackcad

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It may have been more accurate for me to say that there have been several cases lately where the roadside machines have not been properly calibrated. But, they are inaccurate enough to not be able to be used as evidence in criminal court, ergo why they take you back to the station to blow into the big breathalyzer machine. I am a little unclear as to whether the OP was sanctioned under the new BC rules for being between .05% and .08%, or if he has been criminally charged with being over .08%. If it's the latter, a lawyer could be most useful, especially if it was just over.
The OP clearly stated it was his first time (means the cops are going by IRP (IMMEDIATE ROADSIDE PROHIBITION) and not criminal.....and he said he got the 90 day prohibition with 30 day impound. This means they're not invoking any criminal process.

Almost impossble to appeal successfully....regardless if you spend $1000 or $100,000 on a lawyer.

If they decided to go criminal....he would have been detained and taken back for a breathalyzer test...in which crown would only approve criminal charges if his two blows were over 0.1%.
 

blackcad

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I am a little unclear as to whether the OP was sanctioned under the new BC rules for being between .05% and .08%, or if he has been criminally charged with being over .08%. If it's the latter, a lawyer could be most useful, especially if it was just over.
Doesn't matter how high you blow on a first time offence....the new BC Legislation gives you the 90 day suslension and 30 day impound if you blow a fail on the device (which means over 0.1%)...criminal impaired investigations only commence after more than a couple IRPs ....when someone has been caught several times).
 
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Doesn't matter how high you blow on a first time offence....the new BC Legislation gives you the 90 day suslension and 30 day impound if you blow a fail on the device (which means over 0.1%)...criminal impaired investigations only commence after more than a couple IRPs ....when someone has been caught several times).
Ok, I see. I don't drink and drive anymore, but in my youth I was once charged with both Imparied driving and driving with a BAC over .08% (they always charged you with both). I blew .1 on the first blow and .09% on the 2nd. They dropped the being over .08% because it was so close and I could have paid an expert to say the machine varies by .02%. They proceeded on the impaired. I was given the 90 day Administrative prohibition (took effect after 3 weeks) as well as a 24 hour suspension, and this was long before these new BC rules ( year 2000 to be exact). So him getting a 90 day prohibition didn't clarify to me what exactly happened.

I was found not guilty.
 

Iroc

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Advice....and I mean this with the utmost sincerity. Don't drink and drive.
Request....PLEASE don't drink and drive.
 

wilde

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Supreme Court upholds guts of drunk-driving law

Kirk Makin

The Globe and Mail

Published Friday, Nov. 02 2012, 11:55 AM EDT

Last updated Friday, Nov. 02 2012, 7:17 PM EDT


The Supreme Court of Canada has upheld the core of a tough legislative scheme to combat drunk drivers who fail breathalyzer tests.

However, the court struck down a provision requiring defendants to show precisely how a malfunctioning breathalyzer machine led to an inaccurate test result in their case.

In a 5-2 ruling, the majority said that defendants need only prove a machine either malfunctioned or was operated improperly by police. It is then up to the Crown to show that test results were accurate in spite of the error.

The Supreme Court used its powers to excise the unconstitutional provision from the Criminal Code.

While Friday’s decision leaves defence lawyers a toehold to battle against breathalyzer evidence, the judgment was largely a triumph for federal attempts to beef up impaired-driving laws.

In particular, the court upheld a key provision designed to foil the so-called “two-beer defence” – a highly effective defence argument that had resulted in numerous acquittals.

Under the defence, defendants typically testified that they had only consumed a couple of drinks before getting behind the wheel of a vehicle. The defence would then produce a toxicology expert to testify that the defendants would have been unlikely to register such a high breath-test reading unless the machine had malfunctioned or been operated improperly.

Alternatively, defendants sometimes argued that they consumed their last drink not long before the breath test was administered, which could result in more alcohol on their breath than was actually in their blood.

The defence was frequently sufficient to provide trial judges with a reasonable doubt that the accused was guilty.

Toronto defence counsel Jonathan Rosenthal said the court ruling largely affirmed “the validity of the government’s attempting to deal with the serious social problems of drinking and driving, as well as their responsibility to improve enforcement and the governments concern with the ‘two-beer defence.’”

However, Mr. Rosenthal said the judges criticized the law for wrongly treating breathalyzer tests as if they are infallible.

“The court has properly allowed that in cases in which trial judges are left with a reasonable doubt about the operation or malfunction of the machine, the prosecution may fail,” he said.

Mr. Rosenthal predicted that the decision will lead to police and prosecutors having to routinely produce records disclosing breathalyzer maintenance records and the credentials of their operators.

Impaired driving charges make up a substantial proportion of criminal court cases, and fighting them is a staple of many defence lawyers’ practices.

For decades, legislators have played a cat-and-mouse game with the defence over the reliability of breathalyzer results. Friday’s ruling concluded a three-year challenge launched to restore the legitimacy of the two-beer defence.

The Criminal Code changes, part of the federal government’s Tackling Violent Crime Act, were an attempt to reduce the effectiveness of defence attacks on their integrity.

Bolstered by a legal intervention by the Criminal Lawyers Association, lawyers for the defendants argued that the law set an impossible standard of proof for defendants. They maintained that it virtually guaranteed a conviction, frequently leading to the loss of one’s driver’s licence.

In a second case decided Friday, the Court ruled that the 2009 impaired driving provisions do not apply retroactively to those who had already been charged with impaired driving at the time the new law came into effect.
 

paulal

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It strikes one as bizarre how condemning and unhelpful so many comments have been in this thread.

one would expect more from this community in particular!
 

paulal

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Manage the issue

An acquaintance of mine purchased a $600 breathalyzer used by police in 30+ US states for roadside checks and started experimenting.

Swishing water around in one's mouth before blowing could reduce the recorded level of alcohol significantly. In some cases by .03 in the space of a few seconds, even after waiting 15 minutes after consuming alcohol.

Managing the issue beforehand is sound advice. To those who choose to do it by not drinking at all - bully for you. But the law does allow for some alcohol in one's system. If measured at less than 0.5, according to current BC law then it is not likely to be penalized.

A high-quality breathalyzer allows one to take away the guessing game and respect the law. The rest are mere slogans and moralizing. It's about the rule of law - not morality preaching perbites.
 

bcneil

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LMAO or tell the judge you have affluenza.
 

badbadboy

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It strikes one as bizarre how condemning and unhelpful so many comments have been in this thread.

one would expect more from this community in particular!
Necrothread or what?

You drag this up from the bowels of Perb for what reason? To give people shit for a thread that happened a year ago?

Give me a break Mr ZeroCredibility

:rolleyes:
 

UhOh

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I've never had a dui and its only luck that I can thank. Don't take such stupid chances any more though.
 

dickotoole

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Rampage wrote, "i got my first dui and need some advice"
Here is some
don't drink and drive - you probably heard that one before
hire a good lawyer to help reduce the consequences, a friend of mine paid a good DUI lawyer in Van $7500 to try to beat a 90 suspension, and he did, it took 95 days
don't do the crime if you can't do the time/pay the price
and, don't bitch about it, don't try to get away with it, pay the price and learn, take the opportunity to learn
 
Lemme share a story with you. All of this is true...to my knowledge.

Acquaintance. Male in Management position. Needs car to look professional. Also is social. Like to meet for dinner and drinks. Well on the way home he got into an accident. when the police blew him guess what. He blew over. His car was impounded and he lost his license for x amount of days.
Now, his car was oh so important to him so once he got it out of the impound he had to take it for a ride. Did I mention he did not have his licence back from ICBC? He hits a roadblock, they ask for his license, no license. STRIKE #2.
So now he goes through all this bull crap, has to pay all these fines just cause he was sick of taking the bus to and from work. Think he learned his lesson, right? WRONG!

Gets license back, gets car back, has a little "sippy sippy", is cruisin home when BANG "someone" runs a red light. Well my friend claims the other driver ran the red light but since he had alcohol in his system his judgement in "questionable" and he is now going through even more court crap and lawyer fee and ICBC fees.

So just think long and hard before you make the same mistake again.

You might think it sucks if you have to take transit but it is better than being a slave to ICBC.

edit: I am not an expert but yes, they will ask for a Drivers ABstract, I belive it is called.
 

SFMIKE

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The opening line of this thread still amuses me: "I got my first DUI...." Does this mean he is planning for more?

I am guessing that many on here have never had a DUI, that is, if they are smart.
 

paulal

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The law doesn't prohibit drinking and driving. It imposes fines and repercussions at a level of .05 (administrative penalty) and .08 (criminal penalty) as measured by one's breath during exhaling. We need to respect the law. Buying a breathalyzer is taking control of a legal problem without signing off of a nice bottle of wine over dinner.

Many people in society believe that what perbites do is immoral, reprehensible and illegal. It is the height of irony to observe such doggedu moralizing from this community in particular.
 

Caramel

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The law doesn't prohibit drinking and driving. It imposes fines and repercussions at a level of .05 (administrative penalty) and .08 (criminal penalty) as measured by one's breath during exhaling. We need to respect the law. Buying a breathalyzer is taking control of a legal problem without signing off of a nice bottle of wine over dinner.

Many people in society believe that what perbites do is immoral, reprehensible and illegal. It is the height of irony to observe such doggedu moralizing from this community in particular.



Maybe because drinking and driving kills people and paying for sex doesn't? really...unless you're doing it bareback and have aids !!! either way not a good comparison
 
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