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mik

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Thanks for digging deeper vcc and glad to see my post inspired some intellectual activity on your part. :p
Cowboy's posts here bring to mind this article below: The thing about snark is that it only makes you look clever if you’re making a solid point. If you’re being snarky about something in which you’re wholly wrong, your wrongness combines with your overconfidence to make you look…not good.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/...ore-for-science-than-christianity-ever-could/
 

Miss*Bijou

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Global warming? No, actually we're cooling, claim scientists




A cold Arctic summer has led to a record increase in the ice cap, leading experts to predict a period of global cooling.


There has been a 60 per cent increase in the amount of ocean covered with ice compared to this time last year, the equivalent of almost a million square miles.

In a rebound from 2012's record low, an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia's northern shores, days before the annual re-freeze is even set to begin.

The Northwest Passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific has remained blocked by pack-ice all year, forcing some ships to change their routes.

A leaked report to the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) seen by the Mail on Sunday, has led some scientists to claim that the world is heading for a period of cooling that will not end until the middle of this century.

If correct, it would contradict computer forecasts of imminent catastrophic warming. The news comes several years after the BBC predicted that the arctic would be ice-free by 2013.



more here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/en...o-actually-were-cooling-claim-scientists.html


( I'm just re-posting what I found.... please do not kill the messenger )

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Miss*Bijou

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Really?
Did you ever stop and wonder what the motivation is for VCC or anybody else for that matter presenting the opposite and unpopular view?
You could have the best of intentions, which I'm sure you do, but that doesn't make any difference on how right or wrong you are.

You could simply have put your trust on information provided by someone who a)has bad intentions b)has good intentions but is misguided or lacks facts or proper understanding.

No one has questioned your intentions and said you were purposely trying to fool people. So where does motivation even enter the picture or matter?
 

mik

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Really?
Did you ever stop and wonder what the motivation is for VCC or anybody else for that matter presenting the opposite and unpopular view?
No, because only VCC knows; perhaps he will share it with us, perhaps not.
 

mik

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Warm winter caps nation's hottest year

Australia has just experienced its warmest 12 months since climate records began.

Data monitoring by the Bureau of Meteorology shows the average temperature throughout Australia in the year to August 31 was 1.11 degrees above the long-term average.

The nation's fourth-warmest spring on record morphed into the hottest summer on record. And now the seventh-warmest autumn has been followed by the third-warmest winter Australians have ever experienced.

In Victoria, it was the warmest winter on record, just pipping the winter of 2005.

In New South Wales, it was the second warmest, eclipsed only by the winter of 2009.

And across the nation, winter was 1.29 degrees warmer than the long-term average – defined as the years from 1961 to 1990 (which were themselves warmer than the first half of their century).

From September 2012 to August 2013, the average temperature, day and night, across the continent, hit 22.9 degrees, compared with a long-term average of 21.8. The previous 12-month record was in the year to January 2006, when average temperatures were 1.08 degrees higher than before.

Australia's record warming comes towards the end of an election campaign from which global warming has gone missing. Opposition Leader Tony Abbott never mentions it, although in every speech he promises to repeal the carbon price intended as Australia's contribution to the fight against it.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, who once called climate change the greatest moral issue of our time, rarely mentions it on the campaign trail, leaving the Greens as the only party to raise it as an election issue.

The bureau says that so far in 2013 Australians have already experienced the hottest day, month and season. Now the year of records has culminated in the hottest 12-month period.

Melbourne and Sydney joined Canberra and Brisbane with winters near or above previous records for warmth – and rain.

''We just didn't get strong cold fronts'' that break up the mild conditions, said the bureau's director of climate monitoring, Karl Braganza.

''The lack of consistent cold weather is the real story across the whole of the south-east.''

While natural variability always plays a role, scientists have said repeatedly the background warming trend associated with human-induced climate change is making it more likely record temperatures will tumble.

A preponderance of westerly winds, which typically bring rain to exposed southern coastal regions, saw abnormally heavy rainfall in August in western Victoria and western Tasmania.

Melbourne, too, has been wet, with the city recording its biggest winter rainfalls since 1991 – 230 millimetres. Victoria had its wettest winter since 1996, just before the so-called Millennium Drought set in.

But dry conditions stretched well up the coast into Queensland where about half the state is drought-declared.

Melbourne's winter saw the maximum temperature average about 16 degrees, a new high in more than 150 years of records, and well clear of the long-term average of 14.2 degrees.

Minimums would exceed the anomaly by even more, averaging out at about 8.5 degrees, 2 degrees above the long-term norm, Weatherzone's Rob Sharpe said.

Operators of ski resorts are among those finding little joy in the warm conditions and outlook.

After several decent snowfalls in August, conditions are likely to turn slushy with temperatures set to remain above zero for much of the coming fortnight, including multiple days of 10 degrees or warmer for resorts such as Mount Buller.

This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/warm-winter-caps-nations-hottest-year-20130901-2syzt.html
 

NHolt

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Not that I'm a climate change denier, but there are areas in northern Europe that are now hard pack ice that the Vikings sailed from. The climate of the earth is not static. How much human activity is affecting climate change is certainly not known. Don't be tricked into thinking today's science has all the explanations. In 50 years we'll be laughing at our primitive level of understanding in 2013.
 

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The number of lung cancer cases in the Chinese capital Beijing has soared over the last decade.

According to figures published by the state-run Xinhua news agency, they have increased by more than 50%.

Beijing health officials say smoking is still the number one cause of lung cancer, but they admit air pollution is also a factor.

Xinhua said the latest figures - which are for only one city and one disease - were issued by Beijing municipal health bureau. They show the number of lung cancer patients per 100,000 people was 39.56 in 2002, but had jumped to 63.09 by 2011. The article gave no reason for the increase in patients.

Beijing health officials said lung cancer was linked to lifestyle choices, with smoking still the top cause. But they said passive smoking and air pollution could also be a factor.

Last month the WHO issued a scientific report detailing the link between air pollution and a number of different diseases and illness. It estimated that breathing in fine particles contributed to 3.2 million premature deaths a year across the world and killed more than 200,000 from lung cancer. "More than half of the lung cancer deaths attributable to ambient fine particles were projected to have been in China and other East Asian countries," said the WHO.

Correspondents say Chinese people are becoming increasingly worried about the health problems caused by the thick air pollution that often blankets much of their country, a result of rapid economic expansion coupled with poorly enforced laws designed to protect the environment.

Earlier this week it was reported that a eight-year-old girl in Jiangsu province had become the country's youngest lung cancer patient. Air pollution was blamed. The hospital that was supposed to be treating her denied the reports, but the outcry caused by the story shows just how concerned people have become.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24880737
I think the story is a product of inadequate reporting.

I was just in Beijing from October 1 to October 17 on business. The air pollution wasn't bad during that time, however some of the xpat community were telling me that it can get quite bad during the winter. (Beijing has about 800,000 "Westerners" that are working in a number of activities)

The winter pollution is because China relies on Coal for heating in much of the older construction.

In the newer construction the heating is electric. However all energy is expensive in China. The citizens are fanatical about restricting unneeded energy use. To the point that Hotel rooms don't have power until the user inserts their key card into the switch at the door. Air conditioning is discouraged if the temperature is under 25 C, there are roof top solar water heaters everywhere, even Hotels and businesses. The sort of system in the picture is heavily subsidized by the government. In China you can buy one for 1500 RMB which is C$250 or thereabouts. The same system purchased in Canada is about C$3500.


Recycling is also strongly encouraged in China. You see the overloaded electric 3 wheeled carts everywhere. They are operated by recyclers.

What I didn't see any of is solar electric panels. Apparently they are so expensive that they don't make economic sense. There were a couple of wind farms when I made the required trip to see the Great Wall.

Beijing is also where the really big specialty hospitals are. They have specialized hospitals for practically any acute disease and the hospital has attached housing for the patient and their family. Patients come from all over China to be treated in Beijing. http://www.bjcancer.org/_english/Patient_care.html
 
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