Full services and GFE
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Good reply PeaceGuy.
I tend to thing of GFE of what I would be doing with my GF except for bbfs. Anything less is NOT gfe.
Past that, any of the bait and switch type variations of "safe", "Light" or "like" is just that, using GFE to lure you in, and a switch to anything but a GFE
Totally agree. It seems a high percentage of MP gals use it as a reason to fleece a few more twenties out of you without actually providing any more service.
I coined the term "full service".
It was 1986. Up to that time, you could tell what you were going to get by the rate the SP published in her West-Ender ad. Simple, huh? usually three numbers in a row for handjob, blowjob and intercourse.
Then something changed. Some SPs would put the intercourse number into their ad, and then not deliver. They would say they didn't do that, they never did that, and they never advertised that they did that. It was frustrating because you couldn't ask straight out: "Will I get laid for $120?" Everyone felt compelled to use euphemisms, so how did you get clarification out of them before you laid your money down?
So one day I phoned up one SP and as per usual tried to find out about her services. I had been ripped off several times at this point. Like all the others, she was circumspect. "You'll have a good time" whatever that meant. So I asked:"DO you offer full service?" "What?", she says. "Do you offer full service?" I insisted. "I'm not a gas station! You'll have a good time!" "I want full service. Do you offer full service?"...and she hung up.
So I used that everafter. it was a way to say "I want to get laid for that rate" without coming out and saying that.
Full service became a term that quickly spread so that pooners knew they were going to get laid for her advertised rate. It's for the pooner's benefit, establishing expectations.
Girlfriend experience came later. I have no idea why that originated, or even who it gives leverage to in the SP-pooner power dynamic.
Things have changed a lot since then, with the Internet and texting, and this has affected how terms are used and what they mean. Ladies don't often publish their rate either, and guys are more forward about inquiring about an SP's menu in detail. FS is probably not as important as it was to euphemistically verify that you will get laid for all the money you are laying out. GFE and its various qualified forms seem to be the issue. And guys have a better idea of exactly what they are in for from the reviews.
It was 1986. Up to that time, you could tell what you were going to get by the rate the SP published in her West-Ender ad. Simple, huh? usually three numbers in a row for handjob, blowjob and intercourse.
Then something changed. Some SPs would put the intercourse number into their ad, and then not deliver. They would say they didn't do that, they never did that, and they never advertised that they did that. It was frustrating because you couldn't ask straight out: "Will I get laid for $120?" Everyone felt compelled to use euphemisms, so how did you get clarification out of them before you laid your money down?
So one day I phoned up one SP and as per usual tried to find out about her services. I had been ripped off several times at this point. Like all the others, she was circumspect. "You'll have a good time" whatever that meant. So I asked:"DO you offer full service?" "What?", she says. "Do you offer full service?" I insisted. "I'm not a gas station! You'll have a good time!" "I want full service. Do you offer full service?"...and she hung up.
So I used that everafter. it was a way to say "I want to get laid for that rate" without coming out and saying that.
Full service became a term that quickly spread so that pooners knew they were going to get laid for her advertised rate. It's for the pooner's benefit, establishing expectations.
Girlfriend experience came later. I have no idea why that originated, or even who it gives leverage to in the SP-pooner power dynamic.
Things have changed a lot since then, with the Internet and texting, and this has affected how terms are used and what they mean. Ladies don't often publish their rate either, and guys are more forward about inquiring about an SP's menu in detail. FS is probably not as important as it was to euphemistically verify that you will get laid for all the money you are laying out. GFE and its various qualified forms seem to be the issue. And guys have a better idea of exactly what they are in for from the reviews.
I can remember going to the MPs in the early 90s in Edmonton. There was a term for pretty much everything, and everything had a different price... The only terms I really remember are "around the world" (full service with a bj to start), "full service" (no bj), "reverse" (you get to massage the chick)... Things have sure changed since then!
Great minds think alike!
I'm sure you did.Given that several SPs used the term with me (not me inventing it) in Edmonton in 1984-85, the term was in use in the industry in some locals by then. Nice story though.
Yeah, some of those terms have dropped off the map; I remember them too. I haven't heard "around the world" for ages. I wonder what is next.
Are you Al Gore and invented the Internet while you were at it?
ound:FYI I worked in the far North and guys around the camps
were coining that Full Service phrase years before you laid claim to it.
Back to GFE... I have noticed a few ads lately that say GFE, but say no DFK. Now to me, how can it really be a GFE if there is no DFK?
Full service is sex+CBJ
sGFE is sex+CBJ+DATY+LFK or DFK
GFE is sex+BBBJ+DATY+DFK, some girls LFK only and that's as they aren't into kissing
It's that simple and fuck you if you disagree.
sGFE is sex+CBJ+DATY+LFK or DFK
GFE is sex+BBBJ+DATY+DFK, some girls LFK only and that's as they aren't into kissing
It's that simple and fuck you if you disagree.
I agree that it SHOULD be that, but when you talk to the ladies you get 100 different definitions. I have seen a lot of ladies calling CBJ, DFK, LFK as GFE, and then when they add in BBBJ they call it PSE (even though they don't include greek, which I figure is part of PSE).
Hey there bobo, please tell me how "safe" gfe can possibly include daty, lfk or dfk. SAFE is covered, no exchange of any fluids no?
We seem to be in agreement on GFE though, however depending on the girlfriend your mileage may include greek and cim. Personally I'd throw that under the PSE label.
Remember when many of the "extras" (dfk, bbbj, daty etc.) that used to be thrown in to regulars suddenly became ala carte with the kartel pricing?
Safe means the covering of the blow job.
Kissing and DATY are not viewed as unsafe, no more unsafe than having sex wih a stranger who has sex with 100s of different guys a year.
Kissing and DATY are not viewed as unsafe, no more unsafe than having sex wih a stranger who has sex with 100s of different guys a year.
My girlfriends always did BBBJ, CIM, DATY, usually BBFS but rarely anal. That's how I arrived at my benchmark for GFE (except I accept FS should be covered in the biz), by observing what girlfriends actually offered.
I think "safe" GFE is just GFE except the BJ is CBJ.
I think "safe" GFE is just GFE except the BJ is CBJ.
yeah, I agree too. The expression safe GFE, whatever it may really mean, has the ring of a cop-out and one more euphemism for saying: " I'm gonna' be giving less service from now on".
For safe GFE I offer safe payment; I'll mail her the money after I'm sure I liked the services.
ound:
Respectfully ya'll...when it is a service you do not offer, the continual non stop requests for BBBJs is really ridiculous. That is why I stick to FS, because guys know and expect CBJ.
A GFE provider may still be into kissing and DATY but still want to provide a "safe" BJ. That is what we mean when we say safe in our ads. It's because we are just so sick of the BB request, so using the word "safe" means "I give CBJ only, don't even think about asking otherwise"
Hope that cleared up some things on our logic for use of the word "Safe".
A GFE provider may still be into kissing and DATY but still want to provide a "safe" BJ. That is what we mean when we say safe in our ads. It's because we are just so sick of the BB request, so using the word "safe" means "I give CBJ only, don't even think about asking otherwise"
Hope that cleared up some things on our logic for use of the word "Safe".
Sorry, but that does not explain why you still are using GFE.Respectfully ya'll...when it is a service you do not offer, the continual non stop requests for BBBJs is really ridiculous. That is why I stick to FS, because guys know and expect CBJ.
A GFE provider may still be into kissing and DATY but still want to provide a "safe" BJ. That is what we mean when we say safe in our ads. It's because we are just so sick of the BB request, so using the word "safe" means "I give CBJ only, don't even think about asking otherwise"
Hope that cleared up some things on our logic for use of the word "Safe".
It is either GFE or it is not
How about if I pay you with something moneylike???
