Woman butchered in Ontario may have been a sex trade worker

[East Detroit]

The torso of 24 year old Kelsey Felker of Kitchener, Ontario was found in a dumpster. Media is reporting Ms Felker had been in a program for sex trade workers with addictions. The accused was found at the Knights Inn Motel, which according to hotel reviews is associated with the sex trade.

Please remember this young woman who was stolen from this world by a monster. And let it be a reminder that all is not well in this industry. Marginalized women continue to be abused or go missing at an alarming rate.

 

[CJ Tylers]

ugh... what an awful thing.

 

[Tugela]

The torso of 24 year old Kelsey Felker of Kitchener, Ontario was found in a dumpster. Media is reporting Ms Felker had been in a program for sex trade workers with addictions. The accused was found at the Knights Inn Motel, which according to hotel reviews is associated with the sex trade.

Please remember this young woman who was stolen from this world by a monster. And let it be a reminder that all is not well in this industry. Marginalized women continue to be abused or go missing at an alarming rate.

Two things:

1) Her body was found at the building where he lived, not this motel.
2) They apparently knew each other.

Why do you think the murder has anything to do with the sex trade?

 

[Cock Throppled]

What a misleading piece of shit headline in Friday's Province, too about another murder - "Calgary man charged with murder in escort's death".

Read the story and it tuns out the woman's boyfriend has been charged with the murder and she quit escorting weeks before she was last seen in January 2011.

 

[jesuschrist]

What I find more alarming than just a "simple" murder, is that it is becoming more and more common for people to not just be murdered, but butchered!

Some East Indian kid last week almost had his head cut right off here in the Lower Mainland.

A torso here, a head there, etc.

I can't imagine killing another human being, but to cut up their body into pieces???????????

HOW does one cut up a human being into pieces??? What goes through a person's brain when they do this???

It just blows my mind. It's just beyond my comprehension.

 

[East Detroit]

What I find more alarming than just a "simple" murder, is that it is becoming more and more common for people to not just be murdered, but butchered!

Some East Indian kid last week almost had his head cut right off here in the Lower Mainland.

A torso here, a head there, etc.

I can't imagine killing another human being, but to cut up their body into pieces???????????

HOW does one cut up a human being into pieces??? What goes through a person's brain when they do this???

It just blows my mind. It's just beyond my comprehension.

Mr Christ; The murder victims of bodies are often dismembered because the killer believes it will take LE longer to find the body and more time to identify it. It is sometimes also a sign of rage or anger at the victim. A particularly violent murder is often personal as the killer releases their rage on the victim.

 

[susi]

Two things:

1) Her body was found at the building where he lived, not this motel.
2) They apparently knew each other.

Why do you think the murder has anything to do with the sex trade?

i agree, east detroit, you seem to be hell bent on proving its dangerous or bad to work in the sex industry. women in other professions are also butchered by their ex boyfriends/husbands,etc.

this is very sad but is about violence against women, not violence in the sex industry.

we all need to work to end violence against women but not at the expense of the safety of people working in the sex industry. blaming the sex industry for domestic violence will not help to curb domestic violence and attacks on our industry as a way to combat violence against women has proven to be a complete disaster.

history has shown that the actions taken against our industry under the banner of ending violence against women, has actually cuased wide spread harm and ever increasing violence against sex workers as our choices are narrowed or eliminated as a result of this kind of thinking.

is all well in our industry.....no.....is all well in the mainstream world....no....

if you think the industry is so bad, it begs the question...why are you here? to make people feel bad? to promote the idea that the industry is dangerous and causes violence against women?

i agree badgerjohn, these women are dead. not as a result of sex work. where is the respect for their lives? why does it always have to be about them being a sex worker?

love susie

 

[East Detroit]

Well Susan, allow me to enlighten you on a few points. I am a female and I was involved in the sex trade. I am no longer involved in the sex trade. If you wish to publicly engage me on the sex industry, do so.

I personally find some of your comments to be slanted and they seem to demonstrate you have an agenda. You see unable or unwilling to acknowledge and continually diminish the serious challenges that are very real in this sex trade. You are very quick in defending the sex industry yet very hesitant to acknowledge the ugly side of this industry. You often fail to substantiate your claims responding that hey, you've been around for a while so you know how it works. I was around for a while too Susan.

I will make it very clear to you. I have no issue with men buying sex. I believe that for change to come to this industry males need to be involved in the process. Males need not be ashamed of purchasing a service from a provider. To facilitate change, we need to present the truth about this industry not the idealism some wish to convey.

ED

 

[susi]

ok, now that we are clear on your experience in the industry.

i have worked for years collecting data about violence in the industry not just from consumers but police, other workers and the greater system at large. i never try to "push an agenda" except that we are fighting for decriminalization of people working, owning businesses or purchasing services in, the sex industry.

promoting the idea that violence is wide spread and trafficking rampant does nothing to help anyone and it is not the truth of the way things are.

yes, violence and pimping happen, they happened to me. read my testimony to the missing women's commission and its clear i am not sugar coating anything.

males work in this industry as do female and trans persons. women also purchase sex and quite often. for real change to happen, we need to stop focusing on one aspect, the violence that happens, and work towards safety for everyone engaging in the sex industry.

your origional post regarding a female sex worker who was killed is about a woman killed by her partner, not violence in the sex industry. domestic violence is a different issue than violence in the sex industry.

the fact that she was a sex worker should have had no bearing on the story but as always, the media love to bring in the sensational aspects of anything involving our industry.

here's a link to the website highlighting all of the work we have done;

www.bccec.wordpress.com

and if you read the occupational health and safety training we developed here;

www.tradesecretsguide.blogspot.com

you will see clearly that we are not trying to sugar coat or promote some kind of idealism and if your experiences in the industry were negative, i am sorry. some workers however never experience violence in this industry and that should also be known.

i don't base my comment on my own personal experiences, i base them on our collective experiences as expressed the hundreds of pages we wrote and the projects which engaged hundreds of sex workers across the lower mainland and bc. i have been up to the north numerous times, i have worked with workers in all areas of the industry.

i am an acknowledged researcher and was deemed an expert by the missing women's commission specifically for all the work i have done unraveling the causes of violence in our industry. i provided evidence in both charter challenges, have trained over 200 new recruits for the vpd, members of the RCMP, border services and even revenue canada.i am a member of the city of vancouver task force adressing safety for sex workers along with police, city staff, coastal health, the attorney general's office, sex workers support services and MCFD.

i have worked on street, indoors in parlours and agencies and for myself independently. i have survived 4 attempts on my life and served time in prison. i have seen my fair share of the shit in my 26 years working in this industry.

focusing on negative aspects will get us nowhere in terms of change. if we focus instead on the positive things, we can learn from them and help to keep more people safe.

maybe you should read bit of the work we have done and hear from your fellow sp's how best things could move forward especially since as a former worker, you will not be directly affected by any changes that do happen..

so, as much as you would strip me of my voice as representing my "agenda", sorry you are wrong. i fight to combat the "victim" ideology promoted by unethical researchers like meillsa farely as it justifies anything they want to do to us. we are so victimized that we couldn't possibly know what we need and the wealthy educated women who promote abolition know whats best.

working in the sex industry was not why the woman was killed. it was domestic violence. i refuse to bow to the victim label. many workers share my feelings in this regard. i know this because i engage workers.

i respect that you feel strongly about this, but hope you will step back and treuly look at the bigger picture. promoting the negative aspects of the industry to "men" as you say, will not help. how about promoting equally as much positive things that happen. like when a client pays a workers rent for them or when men intervene in a rape in an alley off granville street? or when men on this board defend workers from mailicious reviews?

if you promoted both aspects equally, the positive and the negative, i wouldn't feel like you are here simply to make people feel bad about working. talking about murder doesn't really take into account the feelings of workers still working ...now we all have to think about being murdered today or about violence we have experienced. you may have triggered someone with your story and now they are at risk. did you consider the emotional impact your story would have on the people who are workers here?

perhaps you should think a little more about the things you post especially the impact they may have on the people you claim to want to help.

again, the work i have done is not me making wild claims or having an agenda or me thinking i know it all because i haqve been working in this industry for 26 years. it is me conveying the feelings of the hundreds of workers we have engaged and describing the results of the research we have done.

where is your research? what work have you done engaging with other workers? what research do you use to support your claims? or should we just take it on "faith" that you know what you are talking about becuase you were a worker?

susie

 

[East Detroit]

i have worked on street, indoors in parlours and agencies and for myself independently. i have survived 4 attempts on my life and served time in prison. i have seen my fair share of the shit in my 26 years working in this industry.

My, such a positive experience you've had in the industry. While I can't substantiate my next statement, I believe it's feasible to say that the average person in most professions do not experience the above in their respective careers. And in the next sentence?

focusing on negative aspects will get us nowhere in terms of change. if we focus instead on the positive things, we can learn from them and help to keep more people safe.

If your experiences are reflective of the industry in general, we should ignore that 4 attempts were taken on your life? We should ignore "fair share of shit" and just focus on the positive? Isn't that a little like having a help wanted ad for cab drivers in Surrey that says sip coffee, drive around town, listen to the radio and meet people and get paid?

i am an acknowledged researcher

Could you provide some credentials?

i provided evidence in both charter challenges, have trained over 200 new recruits for the vpd, members of the RCMP,

Interesting. I have to wonder how many people would put faith in either of these organizations when it comes to missing women and prostitution. Wally Opal's report recommended the government create an entirely new police force for the lower mainland. I think that an average person would read that "the cops failed".

The concept of a forum is the exchange of ideas. You have stated your opinions and I have stated mine. I do respect the work you have done for the sex industry. I do NOT believe you represent all people in the sex trade.

 

[susi]

i gave you think links to the work i have done....credentials? not sure what you are looking for here....? my resume?

i never said i represent all people in the sex industry, i said i have engaged with hundreds of workers, during projects and research funded by government agnecies like victims services and coastal health and private foundations like vancity foundation. i am currently funded throughcanadian institute for health research for our sex work policy project which is engaging workers across bc and canada. we are bringing workers from across canada to a meeting here in vancouver in an attempt to address concerns about post decrim/law reform in a knwoeldge transfer also funded through CIHR.

again, i have never claimed to represent all sex workers. if you actually read our blog and the reports contained there, you would have had the answers to your questions. it feels as if you are reluctant to look at the material which is too bad. your fellow sp's have alot of wisdom to share.

many occupations including cab drivers experience elevated levels of violence comapred to others in the work place. do we condem the industry? or work towards increasing people's safety in line with the international charter of human rights?

my experiences are not typical in this industry, i never said they were. i am sharing my experience as a way to demonstrate to you that i am not some privileged person with no experience trying to promote the sex industry or some hidden agenda as you seem to feel in your posts.

susie

 

[East Detroit]

I asked what exactly makes you claim you are an acknowledge researcher? I'm certainly not discrediting your life experiences but I'm asking a question why you made that claim.

May I elaborate Susi on the above? In another thread you attacked me and the assumption was immediately made that I had no idea what I was talking about. It was immediately assumed I was an outsider and that my opinions were that of some misinformed do-gooder type who didn't understand. Any time someone paints the sex trade as dirty, dark and evil, you immediately try to discredit them. I would think the average person would expect someone involved in research to have an open mind and investigate all avenues of thought versus immediately discrediting them.

Allow me to quote you from above "do we condem the industry"?

At no time did I condemn the industry. In a recent post I made it very clear I am supportive of the ability for a person to purchase sexual services. You seem to confuse my pointing out the ugly side of the sex trade as condemning it. This is inaccurate. I refuse to accept the sugar coated titty sprinkles nonsense that violence & abuse is not that common in this industry.

A quote from you again some workers however never experience violence in this industry and that should also be known.

Susi, could you elaborate on that? Exactly what is "some"? If I was to say that some cigarette smokers lived to be 90 years old and never got lung cancer, would you accept that as a reasonable argument? What percentage of women working the street have never faced violence? What percentage of women working in brothels have never faced violence? It is reasonable to say that a well established and well reviewed sex worker may not face violence. Was that always the case?

I have also made it clear I respect and support males who are respectful to sex workers. The clients of sex workers have just as much invested in a safe sex trade as the women working it.

Finally, with regards to the blogs and other work you and others have done rest assured, I am aware of that work. But that is not what I am discussing here. I'm discussing your posts and opinions on this forum. This forum is not geared toward sex trade workers. It is a review board used almost entirely by men. The audience of this forum is predominately male. I would also argue that this forum may well be instrumental in the education of current and future johns. By presenting a bias opinion that violence and abuse is uncommon males take this opinion to be fact. Not only is this a detriment to the sex workers, but it's a detriment to the clients as well. They may well lower their guard because of the information presented on this forum from someone in the know.

 

[Pillowtalk]

I am a bit confused how clients are going to lower their guard due to information presented by susi. What was elevating their guard in the first place? Is it a bad thing to let them know that most sps do not scam, cash and dash and/or resort to assualting the clients on arrival to an appt? Should they instead, raise their guard, and walk into any mp or incall on high alert, nervous, anxious, and paranoid, in spite of any interactions they may have already had with them?

I am a bit confused as to what you are trying to say. Either all the clients are a potential danger to sps, or all the sps are a potential danger to clients. If everyone is a potential danger to everyone else, on both sides, who exactly is it that is going to be a victim? Seems like in this viewpoint, everyone is a ninja warrior able to take care of themselves anyway.

I don't think susi, on site for almost 5 years, in the public eye, and easily googled for articles and interviews, needs to defend herself or provide credentials. I don't object to you having an opinion on the business. I see the same comments from time to time from client members who also like to promote the stereotypes of drug use, abuse, and violence suffered by most if not all sps, and those guys too will be challenged on those posts, just as you were. One thing to come from it from a client perspective, where it is possible that the only interaction thru bad choices they have is to see the sps who do work with a lot of challenges, but another thing to have worked in this business and not recognize that the abusive, violent and dangerous client is really really rare. Alert the media if you like, but I highly doubt that any member here is under any delusions that bad things don't happen.

But they aren't happening because the woman is a sex worker, and the perpetrator is a client. They are happening because the worker is a woman, and the perpetrator is a criminal. Or they are happening because the victime is a taxi driver and carries cash, and the perpetrator is a criminal. One thing is clear, doesn't matter what the victim does for a living, the perpetrator is always a criminal.


There are a lot of sps who have never had a bad moment in this business. Usually they are in complete control over who they see. There are sps who have the back up of working for an agency or in an mp, and do have bad sessions because backup isn't the same as good screening and being selective.

 

[susi]

I asked what exactly makes you claim you are an acknowledge researcher? I'm certainly not discrediting your life experiences but I'm asking a question why you made that claim.

May I elaborate Susi on the above? In another thread you attacked me and the assumption was immediately made that I had no idea what I was talking about. It was immediately assumed I was an outsider and that my opinions were that of some misinformed do-gooder type who didn't understand. Any time someone paints the sex trade as dirty, dark and evil, you immediately try to discredit them. I would think the average person would expect someone involved in research to have an open mind and investigate all avenues of thought versus immediately discrediting them.

Allow me to quote you from above "do we condem the industry"?

At no time did I condemn the industry. In a recent post I made it very clear I am supportive of the ability for a person to purchase sexual services. You seem to confuse my pointing out the ugly side of the sex trade as condemning it. This is inaccurate. I refuse to accept the sugar coated titty sprinkles nonsense that violence & abuse is not that common in this industry.

A quote from you again some workers however never experience violence in this industry and that should also be known.

Susi, could you elaborate on that? Exactly what is "some"? If I was to say that some cigarette smokers lived to be 90 years old and never got lung cancer, would you accept that as a reasonable argument? What percentage of women working the street have never faced violence? What percentage of women working in brothels have never faced violence? It is reasonable to say that a well established and well reviewed sex worker may not face violence. Was that always the case?

I have also made it clear I respect and support males who are respectful to sex workers. The clients of sex workers have just as much invested in a safe sex trade as the women working it.

Finally, with regards to the blogs and other work you and others have done rest assured, I am aware of that work. But that is not what I am discussing here. I'm discussing your posts and opinions on this forum. This forum is not geared toward sex trade workers. It is a review board used almost entirely by men. The audience of this forum is predominately male. I would also argue that this forum may well be instrumental in the education of current and future johns. By presenting a bias opinion that violence and abuse is uncommon males take this opinion to be fact. Not only is this a detriment to the sex workers, but it's a detriment to the clients as well. They may well lower their guard because of the information presented on this forum from someone in the know.

the research involving indoor workers was conducted by tamara o'dorhety, sfu criminology. she based her thesis on this subject. google and read the numbers for yourself. she does compare different venues including street.

am i to understnad you feel i need creditials to post on perb...? i am confused about your questions re: the work we do. i named the funders and gave you links to the work....? you say you are talking about my posts here, what credentials should i have to post here?

if you actually read trade secrets there is an educational component for clients, created by workers and clients. by giving clients false or exaggerated information are you not contributing to the lack of trust between us all? doing exactly what you claim to be against?

since i have answered all of your questions, how about you answer some of mine. like the emotional impact of these posts on your fellow sp's? or the credentials you have, projects you've coordinated or any research you have done...? why you insist on framing us all as victims...? where do you get your info? you assume alot but provide no proof.

i have linked you to proof, where's yours? proof that the dark side is so prevalent?

i understnad you are passionate about this but playing into the victim stereo type and scaring people with posts about violence is not helping anyone. i choose to challenge your opinion/approach to "client education" and it is my right to do so, in particular since i have provided proof and you have not.

susie

 

[East Detroit]

Susi, solely to not post a long winded reply, I'll post several key points made by Ms O'Doherty regarding indoor prostitution.

- 63% claimed to not experience violent behaviour
- the women were mainly Caucasian

While I'm certainly not trying to discredit the author of this paper, I will definitely question her findings. Monsanto can produce facts demonstrating genetically modified food is completely safe for the population. Other research bodies find exactly the opposite. Her findings would first point out that 4 out of 10 sex workers had experienced violence in the sex trade. That number is substantial. Beyond that, she did a study on indoor sex work in Vancouver and the women were mostly Caucasian? She must have been unable to reach out and contact the Native and Asian population which are rather prevalent in Vancouver.

According to the writer of the paper the indoor sex industry is safer than the outdoor sex industry. So we set the bar as having nearly 4 out of 10 women being victims on the job in an environment that is inherently safer than outdoor sex work. So what percentage of outdoor sex workers experience violence on the job? And please, explain to me how nearly 4 in 10 people being a victim of violence on the job is acceptable? This assume that the statements made by this group were reflective of their reality. You and I both know talking about bad dates is bad for business.

Now to quote you "why you insist on framing us all as victims...?"

Where did I ever say all sex workers were victims? What I said was I find your opinions biased. You seem to imply you represent the sex industry, yet you represent a portion of it. I simply asked that the sometimes ugly reality of this trade be brought forward. Do you represent street walkers? Do you represent Asian women working in AMPs? Do you represent women working a circuit in dirty hotels shifting from city to city?

Finally, you make this comment "by giving clients false or exaggerated information are you not contributing to the lack of trust between us all? Susi, I almost choked on my Starbucks. You're accusing me of this in an industry where false advertising is the norm? I was 19 for 3 years because it was good for business. Are the postings on Backpage the truth? Thank you for the chuckle of the day Susi.

Continue to challenge me and I will continue to reply. I respect the work you have did for the sex industry. I do not agree with your opinions that its mostly all A-OK out there.

 

[susi]

so, if you need more reference material, the AESHA project for example has a far braoder look at different working conditions and reaches a broader audience in terms of research participants. the project is 5 years long so the data is preliminary.

also the MAKA project by the same researcher, kate shannon will also demonstrate experiences of street sex workers.

in terms of asian workers, street workers and touring workers, yes, i have engaged with all of those communities. have you? we even translated the trade secrets research so that south asian workers could take part. we have had workers come to vancouver from burma, korea, thailand,laos to beg people to not believe the trafficking hype. ever heard of EMPOWER? or SWAN? anti trafficking rhetoric causes more harm than trafiickers, google GAATW.

bccec research always makes a conscious effort to include all races and genders to ensure everyone's perspective is included, some of our members are first nations and black and male.....project participants are from all races, genders and backgrounds...why is it that if caucasian workers experience or don't experience violence it doesn't matter. it only matters if women of colour experience or do not expeirence violence? where do the male and trans workers fit into your paradigm of though?

you asked what reference i had for workers who had never experienced violence, i gave it to you. did i say it was perfect data representing every sex worker in vancouver? no. but it does prove what i said about some workers never experiencing violence at all in the sex industry. as you requested i do.

the research is confidential so no, talking about bad dates is not bad for business as you put it. don't put words in my mouth, you and i are nothing alike and the things i know encompass alot more than the unsubstantiated things you are posting here.

if you would have read the bccec blog you would have discovered the from the curb research which engaged mostly street workers, i was a street worker....

as far as tamara's research, violence is defined as being threatened all the way up to full out being attacked so your interpretation of the data is flawed. its easy to fall into the "no violence " is the only thing we will accept...but how can we move forward from there? if we can't work to slowly and surely stabilize people's safety and it has to be all or nothing, well ...let's just end poverty and war? i mean c'mon....

percentages of workers who experience violence outdoors/on street- read from the curb, its spelled out pretty plainly in the report.

once again, you have tried to cast me as some priveleged sp who has no experience with violence, street work or any of the other things you seem to think are the sole foundation for change. i explained to you before, i do have experience with the things you are concerned about and i do represent the workers who took part in our publically funded projects. they were of varying capacities, different races and cultural backgrounds, different genders, different areas of the industry....

are you just ignoring what i am saying? or do you simply wish to promote your own ideology?

you have once again ignored my requests for proof as to your allegations instead calling into question my motives and work. i can answer questions about our work all day however it seems that you refuse to answer the most simple questions about how you have formed your "opinion". because that's what it is, an opinion, with no basis in fact.

you call me an exclusionist who doesn't value the experiences of workers who are women of colour or who work on the street. you say that i have an agenda. you say i am harming workers and clients alike by "down playing" the rampant violence which you have yet to demonstrate...

when do we get some answers from you? your motives? your research? the ways you have enaged workers? asian and on street?

or is it your intention to engage in"client education" based on your opinions? is that it? you feel you can post about violence and shame people into believing you?

does violence happen? yes. is it rampant and happening across the industry all the time? definitly not.you continue to assert that only priveleged sex workers (now there is a ridiculous statement) contribute to our work. that is casting all un priveleged sex workers as victims's. it strips us of our voice.we're all damaged goods and don't know what best for us. can't you see that? the story you orgionally posted, the title of this thread said,"she may have been a sex worker" so now that gives you "proof" that sex work is inherently violent? it was a case of domestic violence.

how many husabnds kill their wives? and vice versa? shoudl marriage be illegal...well maybe, but that's not the point! attru=ibuting any violence experienced by a sex worker to the industry helps noone. it gets us nowhere in trying to change these conditions. you would have more luck ending marriage.

perhaps you should join a committee, do some more reading, engage sex workers....then maybe you would have a clear "opinion" on the safety and working conditions which exist.

susie

 

[Cock Throppled]

I too, wonder what the Op's point is.

The poor woman found dead in the original story may have been in the sex trade, but that's how she earned money to support her real problem - drug addiction.

Sure there are men who abuse SP's, just like there are men who abuse their wives, girl friends and co-workers. SP's aren't abused because they are SP's, but because they are coming into contact primarily with men who are ignorant, violent assholes. That can happen anywhere, but I think most men treat SP's with respect and kindness.

Working for change in the industry to make it safer is what Susi has been all about. What work is the OP doing?

 

[East Detroit]

so, if you need more reference material,

No Susi. You offered up that reference material, I read it and I pointed out facts. It was a study based on indoor sex worker. Statistically it claimed that 4 in 10 women had experienced violence in the indoor sex trade. It also pointed out that most of the participants were Caucasian. I found this quite odd given the large number of Asian Massage outlets in this city. This study then said that violence rates were substantially higher for outdoor sex trade workers. I commented that I found 4 out of 10 too high. Now you seem intent on twisting the very facts you originally gave me.

To answer your question on where I get my information. Susan, while attending university I learned to enjoy reading. I've read a great deal of studies & opinions on the sex trade and have actively taken part in public consultation on the issue. I could present to you a variety of information which is considered "fact" by the presenting party. Some of the information comes from far right religious zealots who believe prostitutes should be stoned. In other examples it's much more liberal. Monsanto offers data and "facts" about is seeds. Do you believe these people? The North American Man Boy Love Association will also offer it's "fact" that young males really do enjoy having relationships with older males.

One last quote from you "shoudl marriage be illegal...well maybe",

Such a strange comment. Excluding certain cultures the majority of marriage is a vow between two consenting adults. What a baffling comment to say the least.

Nerdburger: I am a former sex trade worker. I'm sorry you don't want me here, but you're free to block me. Therefore the answer is no.

For your own edification Susi, I will no longer be commenting on your comments. I expected a civil open minded discussion and I don't feel that is what happened. All the best in your future.