Re-read and made a mistake. So, all right, girl not dead. If the rape is true, then should be life imprisonment if he's an adult. For Juvie, I think US has another punishment that I don't really know.
Anonymous leaks video - high school rape coverup
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It's just that we can't really speak for the dead. And in a fast paced and highly competitive environment, we have to think in the worst case first. Since death is a very serious matter, and the dead may believe in retributive justice, we have to respect that and make death penalty a possible justice so that it won't be WOT and WOM to everyone.
In this case, I'd still want capital punishment. I think capital punishment should be doled out for certain kinds of rape, and this is one of them. This particular rape was done particularly viciously with the offenders not only showing no remorse, but bragging about how much the victim suffered. Their words and deeds need to be silenced forever. Death is a just punishment for these people.
So what "kinds" of rape counts? Just where they make youtube videos after?
Are most rapists more gentlemanly when discussing it with the other rapists?
Do any rapists really feel remorse? Or as long as they keep it to themselves after, no death penalty?
Out of the 750,000 rapes in the USA alone per year, how many do you think should get death.
Just where they tease the victim after? What about violent rapes, where the women is badly beaten.
What if the the woman is too scared to fight back, and hence the rapists doesn't need to use violence, does this make it a better rape?
What if its a "he said she said" type thing.
I am dying to hear what percent you think of this 750,000 should be executed each year. We can calculate cost of this after, and yes executing people is extremely expensive.
Its all mot anyways as the democrats won't be adding rape to the list of crimes punishable by death.
And the republicans don't even see rape as a problem, the party girl might have had a skirt on or something, and she needs to keep the baby if impregnated
neil, if the 2000 rapists that occur today were acually lit up, i think the number would drop to something like 20 tomorrow
if you lit them up too then the ongoing number would be approximately 2 per day
just sayin'...
Porn Star Traci Lord admits to being raped in Steubenville
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@TheRealRoseanne @susiebright I was born in Steubenville. Raped in Steubenville. And left just before I was to attend Big Red High.
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@TheRealRoseanne @susiebright I was born in Steubenville. Raped in Steubenville. And left just before I was to attend Big Red High.
While I agree the perpetrators should be punished very severely and put with the general prison population, the death penalty should never be used for crimes where the victim doesn't die. The rapists, kidnappers, etc. would kill their victims because they'd have nothing to lose. Frequent caning, however.....
If she is badly beaten and likely to be traumatized for life, and if the perpetrator exacted this on her sadistically with the intent to harm her, then I'd say the death penalty is fair.
For most of the other cases, no.
To deserve the penalty I don't think you have to cause someone else's death. I think it's enough that you purposely wanted to harm someone physically and so severely that they would be victimized by the event for a long long time. People who have suffered very violent crimes and live through it suffer their whole lives - I think those who inflict that kind of punishment on someone, and who do it on purpose, don't deserve to live.
The right to life should have never been sacrosanct. We allow women to abort their babies, where is their right to life? Have they done anything wrong to anyone? But yet violent rapists and murderers have a right to life. That makes no sense.
Death penalty should also apply to drug dealers too and people who smuggle drugs in to the country! They just don't care other people's lives!
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Rape victim, voice cracking: "I would just like to thank Anonymous, because they gave me a voice." #OccupySteubenville
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It would be nice if we could get inside the perp's head and sentence based on intent. Because right now we've got:
Shoots blindly into a crowd and kills someone - Manslaughter (at least)
Shoots blindly into a crowd and misses - Careless discharge of a firearm
Drives drunk and kills someone - Drunk driving causing death
Drives drunk and no accident - Driving over the limit
The only difference is plain luck. In one case the perp was lucky that nobody died. In the other one he or she was unlucky. But the same anti-social disregard for life is the same.
Shoots blindly into a crowd and kills someone - Manslaughter (at least)
Shoots blindly into a crowd and misses - Careless discharge of a firearm
Drives drunk and kills someone - Drunk driving causing death
Drives drunk and no accident - Driving over the limit
The only difference is plain luck. In one case the perp was lucky that nobody died. In the other one he or she was unlucky. But the same anti-social disregard for life is the same.
Actually, the girl didn't make a complaint at all, her mother did after she heard read talk about it on the internet.Re-read and made a mistake. So, all right, girl not dead. If the rape is true, then should be life imprisonment if he's an adult. For Juvie, I think US has another punishment that I don't really know.
The problem here is that the only actual evidence is a photo of two guys holding an apparently unconcious girl by her legs and hands. They are fully clothed and there is no evidence of anything sexually happening at all. Most of everything else is based on stories and rumours going around the internet among local teens. There is no way of knowing how accurate these stories are, or if they are even true. The girl apparently was the girlfriend of one of the arrested guys at the time. Having sex, even if drunk, is not an unreasonable expectation. So, if you are going to make a charge of assualt, then more than that is required. The issue with this particular story is that it resonates with larger themes, and the danger is that the truth may not be terribly important in the larger picture.
But still, you are talking about execution as the best response, at at the very least, life imprisonment. Rape is a horrible thing, but so is lurching to the other extreme and convicting/lynching without any evidence or sense of context.
But I don't think anyone here would want a death sentence without sufficient evidence of a conviction. A conviction must come first, then the punishment, and we're all on board with that - so there is no lynching that you're citing. Mercyshooter and I would like to see a death sentence for extreme rape cases, at least I do. The reason for that is that in cases of extreme rape, the victim not only suffers all her life, but frequently in such cases alters the very course of her life forever. Some become permanently depressed, others resort to suicide, others cannot work for a long time and thus ruin their careers and end up poor all their lives, etc. Their lives are ruined, and even if they did recover, they'd recover decades later - 20 years is not out of the question for extreme rape. 20 years is a long time to throw away one's life, especially if one didn't deserve it.
As I've argued, we allow death when it comes to abortions, and that would be the death of innocent human beings. Why does society in general not think that this is barbaric? Why not allow death for people who do evil things? Why does society think that putting such people to death is barbaric? If Adolf Hitler were captured, and he was responsible for the death of millions of people, how could anyone even suggest that he should not give up his life?
My answer is that death is part of life and that people don't have and never did have a sovereign right to life - as evidenced by the fact that some people would take the life of someone else at will, and we often can't stop them. The least we could do is give them what they deserve.
JC, send them all to China and India and etc and they will understand why death penalty is necessary. Like I said, they won't even survive after getting caught on doing/smuggling drugs, rape, etc. in those countries.
For starters the apartment & the alcohol supplied to these minors was allegedly given to them by the coach of the team. That alone is enough to have the coach investigated and arrested. Word on the block is that the coach will be resigning in the near future. These football players apparently also got to take their exams separate from other students, presumably so they could cheat & pass. Of course that's just speculation on my part isn't it. Or is it common practice to allow privileged football players "special exam status"
This woman was definitely drunk & there are half a dozen or more tips that she was given Royphnol. She was also dragged from party to party, transported in the trunk of a car.
Anonymous let the cat out of the bag on this one & try as they might Steubenville can't put it back in. This football team is a big deal to this city & generates substantial economic impact on this town. Over 2000 people rallied yesterday in support of this girl with many women speaking up about what happened to them (including Traci Lords, a former porn star). There are now all types of anonymous reports being shared by KnightSec/KYAnonymous and YourAnonNews about the sheriff.
The ship is sinking and the rats are scurrying to save themselves. Meanwhile, residents of that town who have said nothing for fear of retribution are now speaking up under the cloak of anonymity. This is Penn State part 2 and it couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of douchebags. God knows how many other young women had their lives ruined because of these privileged assholes. One might feel sorry for the residents of the town as it gets shamed, but why should we? They're the ones that looked the other way when it happened.
That is what the rumours say. The problem is that high school rumours are not exactly well known for their accuracy. You also have the issue of people not connected at all to the situation taking rumours as fact, expanding on them and coming up with new rumours and speculation, which in turn soon becomes new "facts". After a little while you have the makings of a good witchhunt where what actually happened becomes less important than the witchhunt itself.
I wouldn't pay much attention to whatever groups like "anonymous" claim, the people who participate in that are faceless with agenda's that may have little to do with the actual situation. They can draw unwarranted conclusions based on the flimsiest or no evidence. They are also not above simply making stuff up, after all, they are not accountable and there is no recourse for the people they target.
These sorts of things sometimes do happen to girls. The question is, did it happen to this girl. The actual evidence of that seems very slim.
I wouldn't pay much attention to whatever groups like "anonymous" claim, the people who participate in that are faceless with agenda's that may have little to do with the actual situation. They can draw unwarranted conclusions based on the flimsiest or no evidence. They are also not above simply making stuff up, after all, they are not accountable and there is no recourse for the people they target.
These sorts of things sometimes do happen to girls. The question is, did it happen to this girl. The actual evidence of that seems very slim.
