Looking for a mentor in the age old Art of Pooning...a proposition

[Bluboy]

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The sex industry covers the entire spectrum, there's women in it for the wrong reasons, for sure. I'm not denying that. But there's also tons of women in it because they love meeting new people, they love sex, they love helping people, etc. And yeah of course the money's nice, but the majority of SPs I've met that is not the main reason they do it, and they're really happy. But as I said, this is my experience, and you have your experiences. They're both completely valid. But until there's been dozens of accurate, objective, and scientific studies that detail the exact contentment level of all types of SPs
l, there is no concrete assumption that can be made on the subject.

Violet, granted my opioin might be jaded. But the average pooner is on a budget and hence more chances of getting people who are in for the money. Even with that said I have had some good and pleasent experinences with the ladies I have meet. I have never gotten robbed or had sp who was into the drugs. So I could say things have been good. I can agree it probably it has been a lucrative hobby/career for you and, Say for someone like Classy Angel even more so ;-)
yes until an objective study has been we will not truly know. But the money you can make is truly additive and nice. I feel that having the company of a beautiful lady lying next to as you chat for 30 mins after fun is actually almost as fun and definately worth the price of admission. The gfe if you will. And just because a service is provided you can still treat each other as a man and lady...just like having a nice dance...were you get your ya ya's out ;-)


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[Torrential]

If you thought golf was expensive... wait until you go through your addiction phase.

Tant has a great sensibility and generally frequents the micros as well as the high end. I'm wondering if Badger would also be an interesting bid if you had deep wallets to share in his extravagant lifestyle.

You could also do what YTG did and simply start at the best of the best and go recommendation after recommendation from the SPs

 

[sevenofnine]

funny,

this hobby is what you make of it,
and i guess what you see or believe is what your going to find.

and of course its about money, da

but that being said the most honest relationships i have ever been in are with sp's

i think personally this is to intimate for what you propose, what one guy likes you might hate, or whats the big deal.
like someone said you have to put your money down and test the waters.

and i think you have to have the right reason for being here,
its a fantasy a diversion from your every day life,
and to help you get through a dry spell or a sexless marriage,
but its a personal choice and you have to approach it the right way with the right frame of mind.

sex is nice its part of life,
but in my opinion it makes a big deal how you approach it,
i have been in this a long time,
and even though its just a diversion from my regular life, the lady i see
is a friend a companion not just a toy or some one to perform tricks for me,

but even then like one poster came out with,
you have to watch yourself or you can come away very bitter from this,
it is what it is, sex for money
even though you can meet great friends in this,
the reason why your together is sex and money

 

[newatit]

The interesting thing about all this is that no one has absolutely told me I was wrong at all. I have to agree with all the comments above from Tantalizeme in particular and the original question author. Sure I think this hobby is "fun". Yesterday morning after went and had a great session with a downtown SP, one of the few who gets up in the early morning. We had "fun"! Well let us define that, I was releived of a load and soothed, she got some good DATY and so the day started nicely. But long term, I will hardly remember her in a few years, well treat her nicely, but only for what she is to me in a temporary basis, and that is the reality as mentioned above.

And that wasn't really my argument in the first contribution to this subject. What I was say as fun has a much broader scope, like what in the whole larger picture of your life, will you look back on as being "fun". Frankly I can relate to a good family evening much more as fun than having an SP make me happy. The SP event is short lived, minutes, not hours, or days and I wonder how many of us can remember with any emotions who we had "fun" with last year or a decade ago.

Yep, it is sex for money, and sooner or later that comes home to everyone.

As for newcomers to this industry, whom I hope to meet for some fun, youu only have a year's good experiences, give it some time, you will sour on this thing too as you realize the unemotional part of it leaves you as an object, a discussion subject, rather than as the fine person you probably are down under it all.

 

[PlayfulAlex]

The interesting thing about all this is that no one has absolutely told me I was wrong at all. I have to agree with all the comments above from Tantalizeme in particular and the original question author. Sure I think this hobby is "fun". Yesterday morning after went and had a great session with a downtown SP, one of the few who gets up in the early morning. We had "fun"! Well let us define that, I was releived of a load and soothed, she got some good DATY and so the day started nicely. But long term, I will hardly remember her in a few years, well treat her nicely, but only for what she is to me in a temporary basis, and that is the reality as mentioned above.

And that wasn`t really my argument in the first contribution to this subject. What I was say as fun has a much broader scope, like what in the whole larger picture of your life, will you look back on as being "fun". Frankly I can relate to a good family evening much more as fun than having an SP make me happy. The SP event is short lived, minutes, not hours, or days and I wonder how many of us can remember with any emotions who we had "fun" with last year or a decade ago.

Yep, it is sex for money, and sooner or later that comes home to everyone.

As for newcomers to this industry, whom I hope to meet for some fun, youu only have a year`s good experiences, give it some time, you will sour on this thing too as you realize the unemotional part of it leaves you as an object, a discussion subject, rather than as the fine person you probably are down under it all.

Not quite true, a few people have made good, solid rebuttals to your statements.

And, another thing that hasn`t been mentioned, no matter how much a girl cares, most of the time she doesn`t have license to just call or text, and see how her `friend` is making out.

I admire the two folks in this thread, who speak about something that`s very real in the `hobby` and nowhere in your statements do you allude to it.

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?171158-Yes-I-do-that&highlight=ponyboy

I believe people can and do care, on both sides, it`s just complicated... And the individuals involved are completely responsible for making it what it is to them! Good, bad, or indifferent...

 

[Elmore]

Not quite true, a few people have made good, solid rebuttals to your statements.

And, another thing that hasn`t been mentioned, no matter how much a girl cares, most of the time she doesn`t have license to just call or text, and see how her `friend` is making out.

I admire the two folks in this thread, who speak about something that`s very real in the `hobby` and nowhere in your statements do you allude to it.

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?171158-Yes-I-do-that&highlight=ponyboy

I believe people can and do care, on both sides, it`s just complicated... And the individuals involved are completely responsible for making it what it is to them! Good, bad, or indifferent...

Your link is the exception...not the rule. She seems like a 1 in a 100 type of woman who has been through a lot in her life and truly has compassion for others...not just on the clock.

I think I am wrong when I say 1 in 100...it is probably more like 1 in a 1000. I can think of one other lady, SNL, who seemed to have an exceeding level of compassion for her clients. But you can`t point to a few rare examples as being the norm when it really is the unicorn in this industry.

 

[PlayfulAlex]

Your link is the exception...not the rule. She seems like a 1 in a 100 type of woman who has been through a lot in her life and truly has compassion for others...not just on the clock.

I think I am wrong when I say 1 in 100...it is probably more like 1 in a 1000. I can think of one other lady, SNL, who seemed to have an exceeding level of compassion for her clients. But you can't point to a few rare examples as being the norm when it really is the unicorn in this industry.

What I'm saying is that it is less unusual than you might think...it's just not talked about. Dirty laundry, in the way of bad reviews and sad stories, for example, get way more air-time. It's just human nature to discuss the bad, and ignore the good.

PS No mention is made in that thread that they saw each other for 3 hours, off the clock...I am willing to be wrong, if that was the case. I'm saying that many SPs do care about their visitors, in spite of the clock.

 

[CLIT COMMANDER]

This is a new one!! Dude i would be willing to have a coffee or beer with you just to guide you a bit on how to have fun with this hobby!! how to stay ahead of the curve at all times and just enjoy it for what it is!! Hell i will even honestly tell you if i think your head is in the right place to be able to cope with what lies out there for you!!

if your head is like mine....skies the limit for good times!!! if its like some of these other people on the boards.......you would be better off finding a wife!

PM me if you are interested Mr. Mercenary!

 

[badbadboy]

I bet the older guys who did it all before the internet and using the Georgia Straight are laughing their asses off at this thread ound:

They did all their own intel, didn't have a website to share reviews or who knew the great ones were or the WOT or WOM were.

Now with a few clicks on a puter you can get people ponying up fresh ideas or mentorship for a new pooner.

Guess I dated myself with that post bwahaha.

 

[PlayfulAlex]

I bet the older guys who did it all before the internet and using the Georgia Straight are laughing their asses off at this thread ound:

They did all their own intel, didn't have a website to share reviews or who knew the great ones were or the WOT or WOM were.

Now with a few clicks on a puter you can get people ponying up fresh ideas or mentorship for a new pooner.

Guess I dated myself with that post bwahaha.

So true! How about the days of the Vancouver Sun...3 little lines of text with no photos! Wow, have things changed...

 

[newatit]

well considering my almost 50 years at this hobby, doubt too many are laughing, more like marvelling at it all. We used to find good hookers walking the streets, that was the most common source, a part of town where you could find them. A lot of them couldn't get a phone, phone companies had rights in those days. So you had to know the strolls around town.

As you got to be 21 yrs old, you could go into bars, and many bars had hookers. The laws were unclear about advertising, usually not done as only newspapers around, not so many resources like the GS, old Buy and Sell etc. So bars and the streets were it, and big hotels were inundated with it all. If you booked into the big hotels in any city chances were the bars there were a good Prostitiution resource. Nightclubs too.

Then came the steps to stop prostitution by the likes of the Vancouver Police and the Penthouse, which resulted in the gals hitting the streets, and the mess in the west end in the '80s. It was one of the dumbest moves in history, the Penthouse is still alive and well. You used to go in there and the gals were layered around tables, so you walked around the whole area utill you found one you liked, sat down and made a deal. Finally the courts stopped that mostly but by that time the West Ender and other papers were permitting escort ads, and so on.

Well did we need reviews back in those days? they didn't exist, and for the most part that put the pressure on the gals to perform well because it was harder to find new clients than to have satisfied repeat clients. Along comes the internet, pagers die out, cell phone come in and internet reviews and newspapers fill the remaining voids in making contact available.
So things have changed! Or have they? We still have street sp's. We still have the GS, we still find sp's at bars but not nearly so many. We still have good SPs and the bad sp's. The good ones need to keep repeat clients although finding new clients is not so hard if you advertise correctly. The bad ones find it easier to attract marks.

But what new do we have..reviews publicly available. Pictures of the gals or their asses in a lot of cases, and so on.

Despite all this, customer satisfaction and good service remain in the forefront of running a successful long term business.

Naa, us old guys are not laughing at this situation, now, those of us with hearts and feelings realize what this business does to a lot of gals, and we see the same stories repeated every day ad infinitem, so you get to know the pattern of the racket. You see gals with nice personalities get into it with big hopes of large fortunes, but a few years later you realize those gals spent the good money like there was no end to it, and are now 10 years or more older, finding it hard to survive, and getting destitute. Like one gal I know so well. She went from being a beautiful young well endowed sp with a big cash flow to middle age where she got depressed, went into drugs, got mixed up with the wrong guy and was murdered. Another with a similar story, ended up at 50, not making much and realized one day that when two would be clients went to the owner of the MP and asked why there weren't any younger gals available. she now cleans up in a local hospital at $10 an hour. keeps her barely going. A third one whom I was more than good friends with had to quit after a guy showed up at the door and told her she was too fat and old to be in the business. formerly she was a knock out.

Just look at how much PERB has changed in the last few years, that is the real story of the adviseability of looking at this business long term.

No laughs coming from this quarter buddy.

As said at the beginning, young hopeful sp's, save every cent, be sparse with yourself, get a bank roll, get back to school, get a certificate that well work for you, and get out of this.

As for the new gals in this business, keep on advertising, I want to meet you and enjoy your services, no use stopping now, as crusty as it is.

 

[PlayfulAlex]

well considering my almost 50 years at this hobby, doubt too many are laughing, more like marvelling at it all. We used to find good hookers walking the streets, that was the most common source, a part of town where you could find them. A lot of them couldn't get a phone, phone companies had rights in those days. So you had to know the strolls around town.

As you got to be 21 yrs old, you could go into bars, and many bars had hookers. The laws were unclear about advertising, usually not done as only newspapers around, not so many resources like the GS, old Buy and Sell etc. So bars and the streets were it, and big hotels were inundated with it all. If you booked into the big hotels in any city chances were the bars there were a good Prostitiution resource. Nightclubs too.

Then came the steps to stop prostitution by the likes of the Vancouver Police and the Penthouse, which resulted in the gals hitting the streets, and the mess in the west end in the '80s. It was one of the dumbest moves in history, the Penthouse is still alive and well. You used to go in there and the gals were layered around tables, so you walked around the whole area utill you found one you liked, sat down and made a deal. Finally the courts stopped that mostly but by that time the West Ender and other papers were permitting escort ads, and so on.

Well did we need reviews back in those days? they didn't exist, and for the most part that put the pressure on the gals to perform well because it was harder to find new clients than to have satisfied repeat clients. Along comes the internet, pagers die out, cell phone come in and internet reviews and newspapers fill the remaining voids in making contact available.
So things have changed! Or have they? We still have street sp's. We still have the GS, we still find sp's at bars but not nearly so many. We still have good SPs and the bad sp's. The good ones need to keep repeat clients although finding new clients is not so hard if you advertise correctly. The bad ones find it easier to attract marks.

But what new do we have..reviews publicly available. Pictures of the gals or their asses in a lot of cases, and so on.

Despite all this, customer satisfaction and good service remain in the forefront of running a successful long term business.

Naa, us old guys are not laughing at this situation, now, those of us with hearts and feelings realize what this business does to a lot of gals, and we see the same stories repeated every day ad infinitem, so you get to know the pattern of the racket. You see gals with nice personalities get into it with big hopes of large fortunes, but a few years later you realize those gals spent the good money like there was no end to it, and are now 10 years or more older, finding it hard to survive, and getting destitute. Like one gal I know so well. She went from being a beautiful young well endowed sp with a big cash flow to middle age where she got depressed, went into drugs, got mixed up with the wrong guy and was murdered. Another with a similar story, ended up at 50, not making much and realized one day that when two would be clients went to the owner of the MP and asked why there weren't any younger gals available. she now cleans up in a local hospital at $10 an hour. keeps her barely going. A third one whom I was more than good friends with had to quit after a guy showed up at the door and told her she was too fat and old to be in the business. formerly she was a knock out.

Just look at how much PERB has changed in the last few years, that is the real story of the adviseability of looking at this business long term.

No laughs coming from this quarter buddy.

As said at the beginning, young hopeful sp's, save every cent, be sparse with yourself, get a bank roll, get back to school, get a certificate that well work for you, and get out of this.

As for the new gals in this business, keep on advertising, I want to meet you and enjoy your services, no use stopping now, as crusty as it is.

This (bolded) is still good advice, no matter what...

 

[Mr_Mercenary]

Everyone that has posted has been incredibly intelligent and insightful. I was asking to learn and I learned a lot. I did not expect some of the topics and it never occurred to me that SP's would also post replies. There is good and bad in every aspect of life. Some cops and priests do drugs and evil, evil things. Your warnings are heeded. So is the advice. There those who succeed and those who fail. We use to say money can't buy happiness. I don't hear that anymore. Ever.

A few years ago, I needed to put a new roof on this dingy cabin I live in. Not that I couldn't do it myself, but for the roof, I wanted to find someone skilled and reputable that had done it a thousand times before and would do it right. I wanted to avoid the bad experience of getting ripped off or a very poor job. I always ask when it comes to the bigger stuff in life, like a good mechanic, doctor, lawyer, dentist, etc etc. People want to tell you who is good and who is bad. I could have opted for Sears (yes the big retail chain) roofing division. They are a solid company to do a roof. Their roofers did not look happy. I don't want to support that. I also wanted to make sure my hard earned money would go, as much as it possibly could, directly to the roofer. I eventually found a roofer who worked with an old truck and a ladder and charged a slightly more expensive, but yet a fair price for the business. I would recommend him to everyone. I was blown away how he could carry TWO bundles (a roof-worker term) with his back to the ladder, using it like steep stairs UP and DOWN!!! He worked alone, had a wife and two kids. He finished the job in three days and was organized at the end of every day. He warrantied his work for 35 years, but I laughed cause he wouldn't be around for it all I said. I doubt it will ever need to be honoured, it looks perfect after a few harsh years of weathering. While he was working, we drank coffee together and sat together and smoked cigarettes together and laughed about stuff. I hope he manages his life well and used the money to propel forward. I haven't seen him since. I still talk about him.

I am trying to stack the odds in my favour. I want my dollars to go to the right person, a good person. I will always be respectful. Live long (good health), Prosper (with wealth, children, and success) and be happy.

 

[badbadboy]

well considering my almost 50 years at this hobby, doubt too many are laughing, more like marvelling at it all. We used to find good hookers walking the streets, that was the most common source, a part of town where you could find them. A lot of them couldn't get a phone, phone companies had rights in those days. So you had to know the strolls around town.

As you got to be 21 yrs old, you could go into bars, and many bars had hookers. The laws were unclear about advertising, usually not done as only newspapers around, not so many resources like the GS, old Buy and Sell etc. So bars and the streets were it, and big hotels were inundated with it all. If you booked into the big hotels in any city chances were the bars there were a good Prostitiution resource. Nightclubs too.

Then came the steps to stop prostitution by the likes of the Vancouver Police and the Penthouse, which resulted in the gals hitting the streets, and the mess in the west end in the '80s. It was one of the dumbest moves in history, the Penthouse is still alive and well. You used to go in there and the gals were layered around tables, so you walked around the whole area utill you found one you liked, sat down and made a deal. Finally the courts stopped that mostly but by that time the West Ender and other papers were permitting escort ads, and so on.

Well did we need reviews back in those days? they didn't exist, and for the most part that put the pressure on the gals to perform well because it was harder to find new clients than to have satisfied repeat clients. Along comes the internet, pagers die out, cell phone come in and internet reviews and newspapers fill the remaining voids in making contact available.
So things have changed! Or have they? We still have street sp's. We still have the GS, we still find sp's at bars but not nearly so many. We still have good SPs and the bad sp's. The good ones need to keep repeat clients although finding new clients is not so hard if you advertise correctly. The bad ones find it easier to attract marks.

But what new do we have..reviews publicly available. Pictures of the gals or their asses in a lot of cases, and so on.

Despite all this, customer satisfaction and good service remain in the forefront of running a successful long term business.

Naa, us old guys are not laughing at this situation, now, those of us with hearts and feelings realize what this business does to a lot of gals, and we see the same stories repeated every day ad infinitem, so you get to know the pattern of the racket. You see gals with nice personalities get into it with big hopes of large fortunes, but a few years later you realize those gals spent the good money like there was no end to it, and are now 10 years or more older, finding it hard to survive, and getting destitute. Like one gal I know so well. She went from being a beautiful young well endowed sp with a big cash flow to middle age where she got depressed, went into drugs, got mixed up with the wrong guy and was murdered. Another with a similar story, ended up at 50, not making much and realized one day that when two would be clients went to the owner of the MP and asked why there weren't any younger gals available. she now cleans up in a local hospital at $10 an hour. keeps her barely going. A third one whom I was more than good friends with had to quit after a guy showed up at the door and told her she was too fat and old to be in the business. formerly she was a knock out.

Just look at how much PERB has changed in the last few years, that is the real story of the adviseability of looking at this business long term.

No laughs coming from this quarter buddy.

As said at the beginning, young hopeful sp's, save every cent, be sparse with yourself, get a bank roll, get back to school, get a certificate that well work for you, and get out of this.

As for the new gals in this business, keep on advertising, I want to meet you and enjoy your services, no use stopping now, as crusty as it is.

The laughing part if you read my post clearly was aimed at the OP who was able to get a lot of feedback requesting a mentor. The humour as I saw it was back in the day there was no internet and only word of mouth about who the good SP's were and who the WOT or WOM were. With a computer and internet the OP was able to get some valuable feedback very quickly. That is what I found humorous.

You seemed to have convoluted this into your own jaded view of the world with respect to SP's. Although I am not entirely disagreeing with you I am saying there are some ladies who have exited nicely, now have regular civilian jobs and are carrying on with their lives. Some I know do have a planned exit on the horizon.

Sure there have been some tragic stories which you have related. Sure I too have witnessed some regrettable incidents with some SP's which I won't divulge here or anywhere for that matter.

 

[the old maxx50]

What seem to happen with people and there think is that it can get too genre oriented , In this case we isolate are thinking to what we think is the type of women that is a SP .. Some think they are just sex providers ,, and don't take in to consideration that they come form all walks of life , all social back grounds and all different up brings ,, none of which necessarily propel them in to the sex trade , any more then it would lead them into being secretaries , sales clerks ,waitresses or to be doctors , lawyers and executives .. And then there are those that just wan to be a mother and home maker ...

To say that any of those other professions are stable , offer permanent income and are fulfilling jobs would be assuming that that is what people should do and not be SP.. The women in this business not assume that , even though many have university degrees, and have work at all of the before mentioned occupations ,

There are of course of common attributes that stand out with many of those that take up being SP , escorts , even adult entertainers , They don;t equate sex soully, with love and relationship ,, They seem to be independent women that don't wan to depend on a man , or at least they don't wan to support a man ,, If he is a good man he will support them and a family ,, And all so there is a high sex drive or need for sexual satisfaction .. which is hard to find in just one man .. But again these are attributes that exist in women in many types of jobs and business and they use them like wise to succeed .

Other get in too the Sex trade at a young age ,, before they have even considered what they wan to do ,, like to to party , use drugs and have sex ,, and never finish school... . But they don't have to say at it ether ,, all though for many easy money and doing what they want is the inducement that keep them doing it for .. 10 yrs and more .. Although it still is a chose that they make ,, where many others that are doing the same things will choose not to do ... They will instead work at 7 11 , or waitress for the next 30 yr ... there are plenty of people who will be nothing more then just like so many other , work there low paying 9 to 5 job .. and raise a family on it ..

To expect some thing more out of a girl that works as SP then some one that works at the corner deli . is not realistic . and should not be even relative to when they get out of the sex trade .. I know many of those men that can afford to see the ladies ,, have better then average job ,, you just have to because putting out $200 a few time a month .. just for pleasure .. is not what the average family can do ... So all ready there is distortions of your views on society, even if you did come from the have nots ,, you now live a certain way .. by your own making ,, and it gives you a seance that every one can do the same .. Not true .

There are many other things that effect people , mental , psychologically, and physically .. We are all effected by them and its is part of what determines are success in life .. Over coming is part of humanities struggle .. and individuals struggles As men we are here ,, talking of boards about the SPs we see and know .. because we have issues .. we think a woman and sex and help us with .. like wise .. many women here have issues also .. need for money , need for sex, need for empowerment , need for freedom, ,need to be adored, and then there are the dark sides , of drugs , alcohol , depression , fears , abuse .. All of which are not just shared by women that work as Sp ,, but shared by us all , man and women that work or live at any other livelihood

Assuming that they all should do well and have a exist strategy , and if they don't that is so sad .. is really not a realistic way of looking at people in this business .. In most most cases they are just ordinary girls that a life that some would not choose for them selves .. but many of them did .. They leave , they come back and others .. are move on to other stuff , who know if it is better .. Those are assumptions made by our judgements and social stigma .
There are those here tat have many years of university , and degrees , but they will never use them .. because the jobs will not be satiating as being an escort .. that is just the reality of human nature ...

Many time that human nature .. is just about having a family ,and a home ,, and living a life one day at a time ,and never really thinking of growing old . even when you see every one else around you doing so .. ..

My eye have been opened by the life i have lived in the last 8 years ,, meeting a numbers of women that worked as escorts .. It adds up to a small crass section ,, but not a definitive representation of all that work in the sex trade .. They probably all had one thing in common ,, i was attracted to them .. and some i just came in contact because i work with them .. Many had there problems which encompass all that i have mentioned .. but they also were working to over come them .. i saw their strength and admired them for it .. Also they all believed in family , Those that had children , carried more for them than any thing else in their life and those that did not , they are wanting there own family that is the most important thing for them to attain ... Of course finding the security and money to do that is also ...

There aspiration are not more or less them the average person in this society and there out come will be the same for better or worse ,, The fact that they worked as an SP will have some bearing on how their life process , But their attitude and psychological dispensation , along with those they associate , that will determine the impact it will have on the each of their lives ..

 

[newatit]

Anita has points that should be welll taken. I agree with younger gals, like under 40, still being viable. I didn't give up on my last steady till she was 52 but she had health problems, looked 62. But some others don't get into the 40's and some get well past it.

And despite my so called attitude, I see Sp's regularly, great way to have sex, and confirm my attitude, lol.