Tired of SPs saying they know how to seduce or is it just me

[Dickson]

I know what you mean Dickson it doesn't matter how much you find the lady attractive yourself, if you don't feel that she wants to fuck too you may aswell throw a bucket of cold water over everyone.
I know there are a lot of guys who that doesn't matter to, and there are some guys who are much less vigilant about this (I consider it an emotional form of dunning-kruger effect) but for the guys who do notice it and do care about whether you are about to have sex with a "mechanical"/unconciously unwilling partner then yeah, forget it.

But I do have to agree, if there is a pattern that forms person after person then I think it's time to turn the spotlight on yourself else find a new "hobby".
You aren't going to find love here.


...and like someone mentioned I also really enjoy your presence here, its about the only interesting thing left.

Thanks BobbyDazzler I really appreciate your comments. I think you guys are all on to something. I do not think I am looking for love as I am looking for the feeling of Love or the attraction by the SPs. I have to say I have found a few SPs over the years that came close in giving me the moment. We are all searching for something or we would not be doing what we do. We are searching for a feeling. My Elimidate event or battles of the agencies are just events. Some time we all want just raw sex right. Other times we want more. Some of you guys have a wife and you might get it all the time and now it does not have as much meaning to you. Like when you say I love you. We get use to the thought or feel. It des not have any meaning. Other who do not have it want it. I know one guy who make millions on global investments every month does he care about money NO. I has no meaning. Some people say they want what I have but once you got it it really is no big deal. I want what you got. I have heard people say the changing experience for them was when thier Child was born. Wow what a feeling that must be. You are so lucky I wish I could have that feeliing.

I guess we just have to be happy with what we have. Stop looking for the pot of gold on the horizon. Maybe I am just too old for this crazy game. Sounds like it is time to call up Badger and Gonzo and 6 of our favorite Sps for a party. No point rusting out when you can wear out. Stay thirsty my friends! Missy Mariposa you up for a good olod fashion pounding for your kind words and good deeds?

 

[Tugela]

What a way to go. Ladies wanting to have sex with him. Dam I got to get back to Africa.

Sex isn't fatal. Obviously they were doing something more than having sex with him, in other words they probably killed him. If you to be with ladies like that, go for it.

 

[Dickson]

Eye ball to eye ball Dickson

You see failure in your mind you get failure in your life. See the session in your mind, believe the session can happen and YOU WILL achieve exactly what it is you are seeking. You know this already. You do this already so get it done and not yesterday.... TODAY

Where in the hell did you get the idea that seduction and sex have anything to do with each other? One is in the mind the other is in the flesh. It takes two to get into the mode its you who talks your face off to the point it will never happen. Believe me I know all about this I have had many reminders of my flaws in this area and I don’t do that anymore because I no longer fear disapproval. I’m 100% in it to win it!

Yes impossible is nothing!

Jessica James

Ms James there is a little thing called reality kinda like gravity my dear. As much as I want to fly jumping off the cliff is not going to get me to fly. No matter how much I want to. I am a little bit of a realist.

I am not saying I failed at all I just know where I stand. I am ok with that. No one needs to cry me a river. I just think the seduction thing is not out there as it once was. But then again as you get older the younger SPs can not provided it to older guys like me. Maybe?

On the sex and seduction. I am not saying they are the same. But there are times I want hard core sex and times when I want to be seduced. Nothing wrong with that.

So is that a challenge? Do you want a piece of me? Ms Jamies you calling me out on this? Oh Ms James!!!!

 

[Dickson]

Sex isn't fatal. Obviously they were doing something more than having sex with him, in other words they probably killed him. If you to be with ladies like that, go for it.

I know a few SPs that would like to beat me up if they got a chance. So I better be careful what I say.

 

[Dickson]

Only if your prepared to achieve your goal. Only if you decide to be a real person and whatever the highest price you ever paid I want double .
Thanks
Jessica James

Dam you are good my dear. Only double? What about me is not real?

 

[badbadboy]

badbadboy who were the SPs that you had those make out sessions? I would like to see them. It might be that you are a real hunk to those ladies where I am older and past my prime. With you badbadboy they are saying he is hot I want a piece of him. with me they are thinking when can I get out of here. Big difference. Good for you. I wish I had your look.

haha, if only that were true. I am also on the North side of 50 too.

Some SP and I have gotten along rather well and I have had some classic failures too.

It's what you bring to the party and like it was said if you go with the idea of having a great time and it shows, most likely that will happen.

If you go and show that you are disappointed that you were not seduced then your experience will reflect exactly that for you.

 

[Dickson]

haha, if only that were true. I am also on the North side of 50 too.

Some SP and I have gotten along rather well and I have had some classic failures too.

It's what you bring to the party and like it was said if you go with the idea of having a great time and it shows, most likely that will happen.

If you go and show that you are disappointed that you were not seduced then your experience will reflect exactly that for you.

I hear you badbadboy. I will lower my expectations and I will attempt to be more positive going in.

 

[Dickson]

Maybe go for the other broad I mean really she cant be player right? Holding those decka cards in her hands lol

I would never insult you or disrespect you in anyway. It goes against everything I stand for in my life. However the requirment to be in my club is this YOU MUST be prepared to follow not to lead . I will make you a champion of your desires plain and simple .

My apology if I sounded disrespectful it was like 2 in morning and I had a early flight today. You make a lot of good points and see how you could be the Tony Robbins of the SP world. Although VV has often filled that void in the past. I checked out your site and WOW you are amazing. You would make one hell of a trainer. I bet you could whip a few of us guys into shape in no time. I am impressed.

 

[Pillowtalk]

Pillow talk Elimadate is only one event. I do try and "date" SPs just ask Ashley Lawrence or Dr Kelly or Mia or Tayor Heaven on all night events including dinner to name just a few. As MM has suggested I like to pay the money up front and let the night go where it can. But seduction is such an art. Maybe I am not clear on what I am asking or as it is suggest here I am looking in the wrong place. The actresses are not out there that can make it happen. Or maybe as suggested it is me. I am not the kinda guy that ladies want to seduce. Big cock and big money can't buy it.

I never thought the Elimidate thing was degrading to anyone. Violet Blake was it degrading to you? That was not my intention. I have been thinking about doing a battle of the agencies in Toronto where is a ton of different agencies, (there is a lot of them), send me there best girl to compete with other agencies ladies ie a hot big breasted blonde who is well dress. Then I have the two or three girls compete for my affections for two hours. The sexiest one wins. Then that agency goes on to compete with another agency until we find the best agency in TO. Is that degrading?

I think a little bit that you miss my point. I cannot see any adverising sp who participates in these events is going to say anything negative about it, not really. They might pop in to say how awesomely fun it was, but really at the end of the day you rejected 2 for not being good enough or worthy of your longer session (and $$), and I think a few sps would prefer that you find them unworthy before you meet them and just not contact them at all if they are not to your taste?

As advertising, being part of your Elimidate review is probably a good side benefit, but you might get closer to what you are looking for if you just relax more with all this. I know what you say you are looking for, but I am not convinced that that is really what you need.

 

[PlayfulAlex]

For years I have been looking for the perfect SP who knows how to seduce. Yet I have yet to find one yet. It is normally the same thing I have to make the first move. Yea I leave the donation on the table and they have a drink and they sit and chat and chat but they rarely make the first move. It is like pulling teeth for them to move in. I have to constantly have to push to get them to get into it.

If we get into the kissing and the petting. It is not a natural progression to the bed room. It is like this break and she tells me to get undressed or lets go to the bed room. Or take off your clothes which breaks the moment. I think there was this one lady years ago Teresa was her real name she was with Scarletts house back then and she was the best. But it surprises me even paying SPs they just do not know how to seduce me or maybe it is me.

The Russians and East Germans are the worst. I just want to be seduced. Hard to find good SPs that can fit that bill they want me to make the first move. I have to pay and I have to seduce them or teach them. I hate that.

Is it because they know we are paying so why try?

Hmmm, well it sounds to me like you have a very strong personality. This isn't meant as a criticism, but rather as an observation. You probably take charge in almost every aspect of the visit with your lady (just as in the rest of your life). You most likely talk a lot, have a louder voice, tell lots of stories about your travels and your exploits, ask few questions and, possibly even, don't pay much attention to the answers.

While this is all fine (after all, you're paying, and no one has any right to tell you how to be), it doesn't bode well for a lady to surmise (or guess) that you're waiting for her to make the first move towards sensuality, to seduce you. I can't even imagine the moment at which the lady says to herself, 'Hey this guy is looking for a lady to seduce him here, so it's time for me to make my move...'

If you're expecting the ladies to read your mind, to take a leap of faith, or simply to go where no lady has gone before, I think you're expecting too much. A quality escort follows the lead of her client, she doesn't play guessing games, or try things that she has no basis for thinking her client might like. Not when it comes to a typical type-A client, one who's already taken the lead thus far, or one who is throwing money and experiences and stories of worldly conquests around.

Let's look at another scenario. Said client shows up and he is clearly not very comfortable with himself, or in the situation. A quality escort will immediately figure out that she has to take the lead. That her client is obviously here for a good reason, but doesn't seem to have what it takes to initiate the sensual adventure. She may guide him slowly and cautiously, in an effort to bring his comfort level up, and to let him know that she's ready, willing, and able to bring him to where he clearly wants to be. She acts first and takes the lead naturally, because it's clearly the right thing to do in the situation.

So I think you've already answered your own question...yes, it's you. You give the lady no indication whatsoever that you're looking for her to be the seductress, in fact you are most likely giving her every indication to the contrary. And then you are criticizing her for not figuring out your hidden agenda.

Tsk, tsk, Dickson...I've been patiently following this thread, and I honestly expected better...

 

[kso_wiz]

The reason you’re "tired" is because you go for the most boring sessions on the planet and actually think you’re going to get something out of them. Maybe if your cock wasn’t such a third wheel you could actually learn how to roll.
Get out of your comfort zone.
xoxox
Jessica James

Wow, what a great post. I think you hit the nail on the head Jessica. His posts are always about money or cock length. Happiness is not a score that you keep. If you're busy counting income, or measuring your cock, you're not gonna be happy because they can always be larger. Quit yer bitchin, quit yer countin.

 

[Dickson]

I think a little bit that you miss my point. I cannot see any adverising sp who participates in these events is going to say anything negative about it, not really. They might pop in to say how awesomely fun it was, but really at the end of the day you rejected 2 for not being good enough or worthy of your longer session (and $$), and I think a few sps would prefer that you find them unworthy before you meet them and just not contact them at all if they are not to your taste?

As advertising, being part of your Elimidate review is probably a good side benefit, but you might get closer to what you are looking for if you just relax more with all this. I know what you say you are looking for, but I am not convinced that that is really what you need.

Good point Pillowtalk. I see your point. Maybe it was not in good taste if I look at it from that perspective. It was not intended to put anyone down. Or they are not worthy. If I did that I a deeply sorry. Thaks for getting me to see it from another perspective.

How do you feel about the olympics going on right now?

 

[Dickson]

Hmmm, well it sounds to me like you have a very strong personality. This isn't meant as a criticism, but rather as an observation. You probably take charge in almost every aspect of the visit with your lady (just as in the rest of your life). You most likely talk a lot, have a louder voice, tell lots of stories about your travels and your exploits, ask few questions and, possibly even, don't pay much attention to the answers.

While this is all fine (after all, you're paying, and no one has any right to tell you how to be), it doesn't bode well for a lady to surmise (or guess) that you're waiting for her to make the first move towards sensuality, to seduce you. I can't even imagine the moment at which the lady says to herself, 'Hey this guy is looking for a lady to seduce him here, so it's time for me to make my move...'

If you're expecting the ladies to read your mind, to take a leap of faith, or simply to go where no lady has gone before, I think you're expecting too much. A quality escort follows the lead of her client, she doesn't play guessing games, or try things that she has no basis for thinking her client might like. Not when it comes to a typical type-A client, one who's already taken the lead thus far, or one who is throwing money and experiences and stories of worldly conquests around.

Let's look at another scenario. Said client shows up and he is clearly not very comfortable with himself, or in the situation. A quality escort will immediately figure out that she has to take the lead. That her client is obviously here for a good reason, but doesn't seem to have what it takes to initiate the sensual adventure. She may guide him slowly and cautiously, in an effort to bring his comfort level up, and to let him know that she's ready, willing, and able to bring him to where he clearly wants to be. She acts first and takes the lead naturally, because it's clearly the right thing to do in the situation.

So I think you've already answered your own question...yes, it's you. You give the lady no indication whatsoever that you're looking for her to be the seductress, in fact you are most likely giving her every indication to the contrary. And then you are criticizing her for not figuring out your hidden agenda.

Tsk, tsk, Dickson...I've been patiently following this thread, and I honestly expected better...

Well well PlayfulAlex maybe you stumbled on to something here. Maybe I have been doing this all wrong all these years. I do tend to be very dominate in my life. I am very loud no question. I do ask the SP to seduce me but maybe I do not give them much time to jump in. I do tend to ask a lot of questions where SPs often wonder why I am asking so many questions. Some even tell me that I sure ask a lot of question and I have to back off. So it comes back to me talking about myself. With two, three four hour dates or all night dates we do need to have somethings to talk about.

You sound like you know your stuff. I bet most guys had no idea how there is a science to what a SP looks for and how you have to read the situation. It is not just a wham slam take the money and run. I appreciate your insight.

Sorry to disappoint you. But it is clear that I do need to change my ways. I promise I will try and do better in the future. If I get better maybe someday I can convience you to join me? Or is that our of the question?

 

[PlayfulAlex]

Well well PlayfulAlex maybe you stumbled on to something here. Maybe I have been doing this all wrong all these years. I do tend to be very dominate in my life. I am very loud no question. I do ask the SP to seduce me but maybe I do not give them much time to jump in. I do tend to ask a lot of questions where SPs often wonder why I am asking so many questions. Some even tell me that I sure ask a lot of question and I have to back off. So it comes back to me talking about myself. With two, three four hour dates or all night dates we do need to have somethings to talk about.

You sound like you know your stuff. I bet most guys had no idea how there is a science to what a SP looks for and how you have to read the situation. It is not just a wham slam take the money and run. I appreciate your insight.

Sorry to disappoint you. But it is clear that I do need to change my ways. I promise I will try and do better in the future. If I get better maybe someday I can convience you to join me? Or is that our of the question?

Yes, I've been in sales and customer service my whole working life, so I do tend to know my stuff! And you're right, it is a science to carefully listen for what people want, and then figure out how best to give it to them, to make them feel satisfied with your work! I find that sales is all about relationship building...listening, learning, being perceptive, looking for clues, assessing situations.

On the other hand, if you're good at sales, then it's also possible to be quite adept at getting what you want, because you can also be quite skilled at communicating what that person needs to hear, in order for you to get what you're after. Some people might think it sounds manipulative, but I think it's just efficient!

Hmmm, let's have a chat sometime...

 

[PlayfulAlex]

Er... accompanied showers have been pretty darn common for me at least. I think all you gotta do is ask...

How about an accompanied bubble bath? Some hotel rooms have gigantic tubs; maybe just start filling it before she's set to arrive. Or, if you went out for dinner first, start the tub once you get to the hotel room, and relax with a few glasses of wine, while the tub fills (don't forget the bubbles)! Bring candles, chocolates, monogrammed towels and robes, and a gift for her sits on the bathtub edge (beautifully wrapped and decorated, and it works everytime for the Badger)...

Here's a typical bathtub at the Aria in Vegas...hint, hint...

Hey, I just came up with a great idea...maybe I should be someone that sets up romantic dates for the Dickson, guaranteed to make a lady feel inspired to seduce him! I think I'd also have to do some coaching, so the Dickson will be quiet long enough to allow the seduction to unfold! ound:

 

[PlayfulAlex]

+1
very well written post

Thanks...much appreciated...

 

[PlayfulAlex]

Yeah, bubble baths are the most fun. But I'm a big guy and a lot of ladies' incalls have teeny tubs... which can be fun in their own right though..

Yeah, I can appreciate that but, hey, we're all rallying around together to try and help Dickson here...let's stay on topic! :high5:

 

[Dickson]

Well I think everything that could be said has been said.

I understand clearly what I have to do in the future and I will try that out on my next adventure and see how that works out. So SPS I will tell you in very clear terms I WANT TO BE SEDUCED!

Badger I think you got the right idea gifts for each SP I see to create the mood.

I will shut the F up and let the SP take the lead in the discussion. No need to share my life story no one cares right.

Guys the show thing or bath idea is a great idea before hand.

Reduce expectations understanding it is a sex thing not a romance or seduction thing. No more travel dates or dinner dates or over nights as that is not going to lead to the seduction thing with SPs. This is a could thing think of all the money will save. I guess I will be able to see more different SPs.

PlayfulAlex as a coach might work. I have done that with VV for a number of years but time for a new coach.

No more elimidates it is too degrading to the SPs.

Time to turn over a new page. If I missed anything let me know.

Thanks to all. I hope this was of value to the rest of you it has been an eye opener to me.

 

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[PlayfulAlex]

Well I think everything that could be said has been said.

I understand clearly what I have to do in the future and I will try that out on my next adventure and see how that works out. So SPS I will tell you in very clear terms I WANT TO BE SEDUCED!

Badger I think you got the right idea gifts for each SP I see to create the mood.

I will shut the F up and let the SP take the lead in the discussion. No need to share my life story no one cares right.

Guys the show thing or bath idea is a great idea before hand.

Reduce expectations understanding it is a sex thing not a romance or seduction thing. No more travel dates or dinner dates or over nights as that is not going to lead to the seduction thing with SPs. This is a could thing think of all the money will save. I guess I will be able to see more different SPs.

PlayfulAlex as a coach might work. I have done that with VV for a number of years but time for a new coach.

No more elimidates it is too degrading to the SPs.

Time to turn over a new page. If I missed anything let me know.

Thanks to all. I hope this was of value to the rest of you it has been an eye opener to me.

Our pleasure...and, hopefully, yours too! :clap2:

PS The bathtub idea was mine...