Assholes at Wreck Beach

[jesuschrist]

i beg to differ. the following is section 174 of the code dealing with nudity. it seems pretty clear to me that nude sunbathing at wreck beach is technically a criminal offence. just because the law is not enforced does not automatically mean that anybody can consider it a place where they can reasonably expect to be nude. therefore behaving like an asshole around people who are technically breaking the law does not necessarily constitute an offence

You seem to think that it has to be technically legal in order for one to reasonably expect to be nude. Then please explain how one truly does reasonably expect to be nude at Wreck Beach, thousands have for decades, while police officers roam all over the beach enforcing the law of no public alcohol, confiscating it, from nude persons in public, every day. You are wrong to think that it has to be legal as a prerequisite for the reasonable expectation of being nude. Historical evidence makes that obvious.

But then you make the point of quoting CC section 174, presumably to show that nudity is illegal - technically. So you are stacking a technical legality against public and law enforcement tolerance to argue "reasonable expectation for being nude". How does that kind of argument even make any sense?

Yet still while quoting section 174, it seems you didn't bother applying 174.2 - "so clad as to offend against public decency or order". "Public" in that statement would mean Wreck Beach itself, and not the surrounding campus or the city of Vancouver, or the Province or Canada - and that is because Wreck Beach cannot be seen by anyone except those at Wreck Beach. Which means that since nobody would presumably be offended by nude persons at Wreck Beach, section 174 does not apply. Therefore, one can reasonably be expected to be nude because no law against it exists at such a place.

 

[Tugela]

You are still missing the point that privacy while nude is not protected by law while in places like Wreck Beach. If you are concerned about people looking at you, then go an do it in some place that really is private - then you would be protected. Otherwise you are not and have to accept being whatever sort of tourist attraction someone deems you to be.

Btw, Wreck Beach is property of the crown, so it most definitely IS a public place. The laws against public nudity do apply there, just as they do everywhere else that is public property. Section 174.2 applies to the general public, not just those who happen to be around. The law isn't enforced, and probably won't be without complaints, but that doesn't mean that the law doesn't apply. It most certainly does.

 

[Flanders]

I thought only faggots or hot chicks went to that beach?

You must be the life of any party you attend, eh? Too bad you just never seem to get invited. I wonder why?

 

[storm rider]

You must be the life of any party you attend, eh? Too bad you just never seem to get invited. I wonder why?

Good point Flanders.

As for assholes at Wreck Beach they are not limited to douchebags with cellphones taking pictures and the like...there are other varieties as well...take my brother for example....he used to hang out there and sell beer and on one occasion when he was living in a tent on Wreck Beach he and a couple of sleazy frenchmen decided to crash a beach party that was going on in the evening....the beach party had a nice bonfire going and it was well after sunset....the beach party was a group of asian guys & gals that were fully clothed and suddenly 2 naked french guys and my brother crash their party and start hitting on the women with their huge dicks swinging in the breeze(I am hung decently but my brother could make a donkey laugh and cry....you know the joke).....after a bunch of bad noise and being told to fuck off the 2 french guys and my brother did so.....as the party came to an end my brother got a parting gift of a burning log thrown into his tent and it fucked hime up pretty bad as it caught him in the face...he told me this story after the fact and my first question was "Ok so were any of the asian guys/gals nude?...the answer was no!.....my next question was " were you invited in any way to join their fun?"...the answer was no....after hearing this story and the responses to my questions I stated to my brother " quit your fucking bitching!!! you got off lucky!!! you and a couple of un-invited sleazy french guys crashed a beach party with your dicks swinging in the breeze and hit on the women....you are fucking lucky you did not get your throat slit from ear to ear".......after I said this he actually came back with an arguement of "well they should have told us to leave".....and they most likely did but the 2 sleazy french guys and my brother were oblivious to the verbal statement.

So yeah there are all sorts of assholes at Wreck Beach

SR

 

[WreckBeach]

It's kind of funny when you get Asian tourists coming down to Wreck not quite aware that it's a nude beach. I've seen some middle-age ladies sort of gawk and then awkwardly try to shuffle their way back towards the stairs without making eye contact with naked folk.

 

[blazejowski]

I thought only faggots or hot chicks went to that beach?

Do you ever read what you type before you hit that "Post Reply" button?

 

[WreckBeach]

Do you ever read what you type before you hit that "Post Reply" button?

Don't feed the troll, he'll just regurgitate it on your shoes later.

 

[blazejowski]

Don't feed the troll, he'll just regurgitate it on your shoes later.

Very true... my bad....

 

[rat_fink]

This may have been mentioned before because I haven't read every post.
There seems to be some question about being nude on wreck beach is a criminal offence.
When the government takes the time to post information that nudity is to be expected then it can't be prosecute people for being nude.

o7O

 

[sevenofnine]

we actually had this question come up at work the other day and it comes up every few years actually. not the nude part but can some one take your picture.

our legal team from work comes back with the same answer, it is perfectly legal to take some ones picture or even a vid.
with few exceptions like in a bathroom or in the privacy of your own home or up some ones dress while in a line up at safeway

your in a public place anyone can take your picture, if you don't want to have your nude picture taken then don't be nude in a public place i actually don't think it matters whether its legal to be nude or not, why should it, your open and in the public eye where everyone can see you,, there is no law that says you can't have your picture taken while commiting an illegal act

you perhaps could have been charged with assult

 

[WreckBeach]

Was down at wreck for a bit this afternoon with a few friends. One particular group of older Persian guys sort of just stood near naked women and leered. Kind of migrated around trying to find clusters of nude women. One dude I think took out a phone and tried to take a picture of some women but got shouted away by some angry folks (couldn't hear what they were saying at that distance).

Even if it's photographing a public place it's goddamn rude. It seems to mostly be East Indian or Middle-Eastern guys who do this. Is this a cultural thing?

 

[LADY-VIA]

i certainly hope i dont get snapped !!!!id be pissed, thats just rude !!! but I go to a more private area away from the highly populated areas.

 

[Tugela]

This may have been mentioned before because I haven't read every post.
There seems to be some question about being nude on wreck beach is a criminal offence.
When the government takes the time to post information that nudity is to be expected then it can't be prosecute people for being nude.

o7O

GVRD Parks Board is not law enforcement.

 

[jesuschrist]

we actually had this question come up at work the other day and it comes up every few years actually. not the nude part but can some one take your picture.

our legal team from work comes back with the same answer, it is perfectly legal to take some ones picture or even a vid.
with few exceptions like in a bathroom or in the privacy of your own home or up some ones dress while in a line up at safeway

your in a public place anyone can take your picture, if you don't want to have your nude picture taken then don't be nude in a public place i actually don't think it matters whether its legal to be nude or not, why should it, your open and in the public eye where everyone can see you,, there is no law that says you can't have your picture taken while commiting an illegal act

you perhaps could have been charged with assult

Your legal team did not really discuss nudity and photography on a nude beach, sanctioned by law as a preserve for the safety of nudists, did they? Because the law has a special provision for these places.

 

[uncleg]

Was down at wreck for a bit this afternoon with a few friends. One particular group of older Persian guys sort of just stood near naked women and leered. Kind of migrated around trying to find clusters of nude women. One dude I think took out a phone and tried to take a picture of some women but got shouted away by some angry folks (couldn't hear what they were saying at that distance).

Even if it's photographing a public place it's goddamn rude. It seems to mostly be East Indian or Middle-Eastern guys who do this. Is this a cultural thing?

Try curiosity..........not going to find m(any) nude beaches in India or anywhere in the Middle East, except Israel.

 

[Cock Throppled]

There are assholes, and there are assholes.

Judy Williams and a lot of others worked long and hard to make Wreck Beach a welcoming, peaceful place. Yes, that even included tolerating the clothed jerks and voyeurs, but putting pressure on them to behave or leave.

Having people who think they know the law, who jump to conclusions, who believe only they know the situation, and who decide they will be violent enforcers are the real assholes WB doesn't need.

Yes, people have a reasonable right to privacy, which is why you can't take pictures up a skirt, but if that woman flashed you and you get a picture she has no complaint. Same situation applies to a nude beach. You have willingly shed your clothes in a public place and you have no legal argument if your picture is taken. Rude as hell, unwelcome and unacceptable, but it doesn't warrant an illegal assault.

Some of the rules jc keeps citing only apply to the publishing of photos. Pictures taken for personal use have a lot of legal latitude.

A group of guys following these goofballs and verbally chastising them usually makes them leave. There are also plenty of secluded places at Wreck where you can be left alone if you want.

 

[jesuschrist]

Yes, people have a reasonable right to privacy, which is why you can't take pictures up a skirt, but if that woman flashed you and you get a picture she has no complaint. Same situation applies to a nude beach. You have willingly shed your clothes in a public place and you have no legal argument if your picture is taken. Rude as hell, unwelcome and unacceptable, but it doesn't warrant an illegal assault.

You have made an assumption about what is understood as public in the legal sense.
I'll try again to argue that the law defines "public" under different contexts as it pertains to the legal situation. For example, a car is a private place - a police officer may not search your car unless certain conditions are met with regard to your sobriety, or the suspicion of having illegal drugs, or evidence to the commission of a crime using the car. However, your car becomes a public place if you were to have sex in your car - which does not warrant the ability to search your car, but warrants the application of public indecency laws. Another example is the use of hotel rooms for paid sex. A hotel room is a private place, but the minute you negotiate money for sex in it, you can be charged under prostitution laws. If you were to negotiate money for sex in your home, you are doing it legally.

Just because a beach is outside, does not make it a public place. Civic governments are able to secure the ability to be legally nude outside at places such as WB because the definition of "public" is flexible under the law, otherwise they are breaking the law under regulations of indecent exposure. At WB, people have a reasonable right to privacy because of such laws; just because it is outside doesn't mean that their right to not be voyeured and recorded is usurped. As I said before, if you are confident in your interpretation of the law, try it with your camera in front of a police officer and see if you get charged.

 

[Tugela]

It is still a public place, open to the general public. There is no gate or admission. You don't have a right to privacy in a public place, particularly if you choose to be an exhibitionist and expose yourself. Those laws do not apply at places like Wreck Beach.

Just because you want privacy does not mean that you are entitled to it no matter what. If you want your privacy protected then you have to seek out a place that is private, not public.

And just for your info, municipal organizations do NOT have the right to set aside the criminal code as they see fit. They might choose not to enforce it, but those laws are still in full effect.

 

[Bobo The Rabbit]

1 billion Indians so even is 2% are assholes that's quite a few assholes.

You need to get a good Indian guy to go there and shame them for what their doing.
However good Indian people would not go to a nude beach...

 

[jesuschrist]

And just for your infI, municipal organizations do NOT have the right to set aside the criminal code as they see fit. They might choose not to enforce it, but those laws are still in full effect.

I wish I didn't have to argue against those who don't read what I say.
I said the exact opposite of what you alledge. I didn't say they are setting aside the law or even violating it. I said there are provisions in the law that define "public" for different purposes, and that the municipality is working within those provisions, or otherwise they would be knowingly breaking the law, which they cannot. Furthermore, the area has been policed daily for decades, the Crown cannot not prosecute at such open and lavish displays of criminality, if they were breaking the law to begin with. City councils therefore would be legally liable, and you can bet that that cannot and will not be held to that.