Once you have a pooner bag...any suggestions what else to include? (Part 1 of 3)

[PlayfulAlex]

Cigarettes, gum, visine, antiseptic lotion, Wet ones, paper towels or napkins, lubed condoms, lube, snatchlite, small trash bag, small change bag! Your good to go with the Ho's on the st. Smokes you can give them a few they love it as well as gum, good to have everything to get the job done lube condoms and the cleanup gear disposal bag. Snatchlite is important as you should check out what you are fucking if it looks bad forget it and some quarters so they don't need to borrow your phone and have change for payphone. This has served me well over the years but every effort should be taken to wash up properly at a gas station or casino and visine gets the red out in case of roadblocks.

Who needs a pooner bag, when you have a pooner-mobile?

 

[Jessikaxxx]

"Snatchlite is important as you should check out what you are fucking if it looks bad forget it "

Omg...Hatrick, you should make a proto type of this "snatchlite" you speak of.... and market it asap.
Thats fucking classic!
You truly rock.
xoxox,
jxxx

 

[violetblake]

I realize—based on some past brouhaha about this topic—that Indy SPs often take a sinister view of a pooner bringing his own blanket, condoms, vibrator or other hobby-related stuff. That’s one reason why seeing Indys can be awkward for someone who feels incomplete without his pooner bag.

That's weird, I'm not sure why anyone would have an issue with a "pooner bag". I can attest to Badger John's bag being great fun! My only concern with yours Tant is the camera, that's something that should be discussed beforehand in my mind. If I saw the camera in the bag or if he asked mid-session that would put me on edge, which is not very sexy lol.

 

[mimi]

I like the idea of the 'bag',

The great thing about bringing your own fantasy clothing is it saves the sp from wondering if she has the right apparel.

I have spoken to several sps who say that requests for outfits from a first time client can make them mad wondering if they have just the 'right' type of skirt, or colour of nail polish, or if the button up blouse has the right sleeves.

Sometimes when someone has a picture in their mind it can be very detailed.

Also, a comment for Tant, you seem to be a good natured, honest fellow and it would certainly surprise you to know of the devious and evil intentions of some people.

Some people go through Herculean efforts to tease and irritate sps, and put them in danger.

So, after these experiences it is no wonder many sps have a jaundiced view of things.

 

[tantalizeme]

You're raising some excellent points

I can’t get over the fact that I would find it creepy were I the SP, if someone brought out a huge bag of tricks... especially on the first meeting.

Some toys can be covered with a condom, and some cannot. It's the ones that can’t that I’d be worried about. How do you know the guy didn’t cum all over someone else’s breasts while they were wearing the nipple clamps, then shook them off and threw them back in the bag? Has that whip or flogger ever been washed, or does it have someone else’s skin flakes and sweat all over it?

Even worse, what if that whip or flogger drew blood once and was never washed? Or the rope, what if the guy was into golden showers and peed on someone/got peed on while they/he were tied up, then wrung out the rope, threw it back into the bag, and forgot to wash it later?

How does she know how often the guy washes that blanket that he uses every time he sleeps with someone? Is it going to be sticky with old lube or encrusted with bodily fluids? Even something as simple as the lube... how can she know that you didn’t take your finger out of someone’s ass and then unintentionally wipe it across the tip of the dispenser when going for more?

Even if everything were to be completely clean and sanitary how could she know that?

Hey Sleepmonger,

I applaud your intelligent contributions. Hope your boredom, after returning from Japan, will continue motivating your input for a while.

When unpacking my blanket, I always assure the lady, "gāng xǐ gān​jìng le" (It's freshly washed). I've no trouble being believed, probably because I've that super-trustworthy look.

But if you had grown up in some Asian urban cesspool like these girls, the last thing you'd probably worry about is catching anything untoward from a pooner's blanket or flogger.

I do wash my non condom-protected toys from time to time. In fact, after reading your post, I've just put my flogger, whip and ropes into the washing machine. The BDSM community has evolved some rather impressive disinfecting routines for toys.

Ah, the cleanliness of lube bottles! Thanks for reminding me to make sure I always disinfect them after each tryst. You're right, after dipping my dick into the girl's chocolate dispenser, I've often reapplied lube without thinking twice about possible contamination. My bad!

All of us make our own tradeoffs between risks and rewards. I prefer my sex reasonably safe but not paranoid-safe.

I respect the choice of SPs who minimize risk by offering antiseptic, absolutely-no-fluid-exchange sex. But I prefer to see SPs who kiss and allow DATY, and I've so far failed to wean myself from my BBBJ addiction.

And once an SP provides BBBJs, she's not going to be super-fussy about disinfecting everything you bring. In any case, dried-on sweat or skin flakes aren't likely to be poisonous.

Sometimes during DATY, the thought also crossed my mind: "Is she completely clean and sanitary?" You got to make your choice: total safety or spontaneous pleasure?

No doubt you're right—some SPs find a first-time client creepy if he shows up with a pooner bag, especially SPs who work alone.

Being a guy of the variety-hungry type, I don't see most of my SPs more than once. That's another reason I go mostly to micros and the occasional AMP: I don't want to be judged "creepy."

There's a difference between a solitary Indy SP who understandably feels a little nervous about any new client (especially if she had one or two "bad tricks") and an AMP or micro girl who feels safely ensconced in the company of fellow SPs.

About Hatrick's legendary "snatchlite"—probably necessary and acceptable in the case of the roadside flowers he picks. Given that most AMPs and some micros are really dark, I've toyed with the idea of adding a flashlight myself (à la Henry Miller in Tropic of Cancer).

But then I thought, shining a light directly onto (or into) a shame-prone Asian girl's kitty might be a bit hard for her to take. I'm certainly open to reconsidering.

Regarding Violet's concern about a camera: again, I'd not spring a request for photos on an Indy SP. These things need to be clarified beforehand, when making the appointment.

But totally different dynamics play out in a micro, where you first communicate with a phone person. None of those humble, sweet, sex-addicted micro girls has ever seemed miffed when I politely asked, "pāi zhào​ kě​yǐ ma?"

In fact, some seem to be flattered by my enthusiasm for keeping their memory alive in my photo collection.

 

[Sleepmonger]

Hehe, don’t mind me. I was in one of those moods and everyone was being so positive... I just had to take the other side.

All my points were based on the image in my mind of some creepy guy with a plastic shopping bag full of nasty toys. Honestly if you’re reasonably well dressed, showered and everything's neat and organized I can't see anyone being too worried about it. Surprised maybe if you'd never brought up your kinks beforehand, but with your micros you couldn’t have brought it up with the actual girl anyways.

I rather enjoy kissing, daty, and bbbj's whenever possible. The fluids transferred there do indeed pose more of a health risk than anything coming from the toys I mentioned. I was mostly just playing up the thought of disgusting old dried on fluids.


As for the flashlight idea, I think it’s hilarious.

shining a light directly onto (or into) a shame-prone Asian girl's kitty might be a bit hard for her to take.

Am I weird in that this is the actual reason why I would consider bringing a flashlight in with me?

 

[jesuschrist]

Uhm how many SP's do you give full gynecological services to. Do you give free Pap checks too??

Glad you didn't say Ropes, Ball gags and Duct tape as well..

That's just kinda weird..Christ.

I was actually just joking. What made me think of it was thinking how creepy it is to bring a pooner bag... like what a doctor doing house calls would bring. He who brings a pooner bag might as well give the girl a pelvic examination. The other thought I had was how it sounded like a rape kit, like the kind sickos bring about with them. I find it absolutely absurd that any escort would allow a guy to bring a bag into a session with him - who knows what he has in mind. What if he planted a camera in a button on the bag? What if had handcuffs in the bag? I don't think it very wise at all a girl allow that. A smart girl would ask him to leave it at the door, or at least check the contents of it first before bringing it further into the place.

 

[PlayfulAlex]

If there was no bag. I'd just make a utility belt. like Batman's only sexier... "Where does he get those wonderful toys?" - Joker

:high5:

 

[Pillowtalk]

I was actually just joking. What made me think of it was thinking how creepy it is to bring a pooner bag... like what a doctor doing house calls would bring. He who brings a pooner bag might as well give the girl a pelvic examination. The other thought I had was how it sounded like a rape kit, like the kind sickos bring about with them. I find it absolutely absurd that any escort would allow a guy to bring a bag into a session with him - who knows what he has in mind. What if he planted a camera in a button on the bag? What if had handcuffs in the bag? I don't think it very wise at all a girl allow that. A smart girl would ask him to leave it at the door, or at least check the contents of it first before bringing it further into the place.

For an indy, yes it would be very alarming. It shouldn't be done on a first visit, and may never be acceptable to someone working solo.

But tant doesn't see free indys, and the micros have ample backup if it comes to it. It may seem unlikely they will object, having read a review or two where he simply goes ahead and flogs the sps without taking the time to ask 'is it ok', but at least they can yell for help if necessary.

I am also assuming that becoming a regular with a particular micro owner goes a long way to establish the creds. The sps themselves may be worried and alarmed, and put on a pretty brave face, but they still know they can decline, leave and someone will be outside that room to assist them if necessary.

An indy faced with someone coming in with a large bag would need some reassurance that there are no whips and ropes, I'm sure.

And it is fairly alarming there are toys being reused without adequate cleanup. The internet is a wonderful place. Learning how to disinfect AFTER EVERY USE is the responsible thing to do.

 

[tantalizeme]

Creepy or not creepy?

I was actually just joking. What made me think of it was thinking how creepy it is to bring a pooner bag... like what a doctor doing house calls would bring. He who brings a pooner bag might as well give the girl a pelvic examination. The other thought I had was how it sounded like a rape kit, like the kind sickos bring about with them. I find it absolutely absurd that any escort would allow a guy to bring a bag into a session with him - who knows what he has in mind. What if he planted a camera in a button on the bag? What if had handcuffs in the bag? I don't think it very wise at all a girl allow that. A smart girl would ask him to leave it at the door, or at least check the contents of it first before bringing it further into the place.

For an indy, yes it would be very alarming. It shouldn't be done on a first visit, and may never be acceptable to someone working solo.

But tant doesn't see free indys, and the micros have ample backup if it comes to it. It may seem unlikely they will object, having read a review or two where he simply goes ahead and flogs the sps without taking the time to ask 'is it ok', but at least they can yell for help if necessary.

I am also assuming that becoming a regular with a particular micro owner goes a long way to establish the creds. The sps themselves may be worried and alarmed, and put on a pretty brave face, but they still know they can decline, leave and someone will be outside that room to assist them if necessary.

An indy faced with someone coming in with a large bag would need some reassurance that there are no whips and ropes, I'm sure.

And it is fairly alarming there are toys being reused without adequate cleanup. The internet is a wonderful place. Learning how to disinfect AFTER EVERY USE is the responsible thing to do.

Was wondering why the "pooner-bags-are-creepy" crowd didn't come out of the woodwork for so long. I'm surprised we have only 2 real naysayers: JC & PT

But who is more creepy—cheery BadgerJohn with his black bag or a non-reviewing guy with the handle "jesuschrist" haunting an escort board?

Perhaps creepiness is just as much in the eyes of the beholder as beauty? In fact, the very act of making oneself sexually available to complete strangers, in exchange for cash, may be regarded as mildly creepy in conservative quarters.

To associate a pooner bag with the term "rape kit" is, of course, pure mudslinging of the most off-base kind.

As for those who've set their minds on bringing hidden cameras, they can surely be concealed just as effectively inside clothing. Ditto with handcuffs—doesn't take a pooner bag; they can be hidden in the pocket of a jacket.

Pillowtalk sure likes to rain on other people's parade, but her comments rarely lack critical acumen. She understands that a pooner bag may set off the alarm bells of a "free" Indy, but is a huge trump card at micros.

I totally concur with the "disinfect after every use" requirement and pledge to be conscientious. In fact, if more pooners brought their toys, an SP who is hygiene-conscious could have disinfectant handy for such purposes.

I also understand the jaundiced attitude with which most "free" Indys eye a first-time client. IMHO, the inefficiencies, stress and dangers of being an Indy who works alone make this a somewhat outmoded business model.

It's still very lucrative for some—just like some independent bookstores or corner stores are still profitable in an age of Chapters and Walmart. But the prominence given to Indys on an advertising board like PERB is misleading.

The real epicentre of play for pay has long shifted elsehwere.

 

[Pantherdash]

Was wondering why the "pooner-bags-are-creepy" crowd didn't come out of the woodwork for so long. I'm surprised we have only 2 real naysayers: JC & PT

But who is more creepy—cheery BadgerJohn with his black bag or a non-reviewing guy with the handle "jesuschrist" haunting an escort board?

Perhaps creepiness is just as much in the eyes of the beholder as beauty? In fact, the very act of making oneself sexually available to complete strangers, in exchange for cash, may be regarded as mildly creepy in conservative quarters.

To associate a pooner bag with the term "rape kit" is, of course, pure mudslinging of the most off-base kind.

As for those who've set their minds on bringing hidden cameras, they can surely be concealed just as effectively inside clothing. Ditto with handcuffs—doesn't take a pooner bag; they can be hidden in the pocket of a jacket.

Pillowtalk sure likes to rain on other people's parade, but her comments rarely lack critical acumen. She understands that a pooner bag may set off the alarm bells of a "free" Indy, but is a huge trump card at micros.

I totally concur with the "disinfect after every use" requirement and pledge to be conscientious. In fact, if more pooners brought their toys, an SP who is hygiene-conscious could have disinfectant handy for such purposes.

I also understand the jaundiced attitude with which most "free" Indys eye a first-time client. IMHO, the inefficiencies, stress and dangers of being an Indy who works alone make this a somewhat outmoded business model.

It's still very lucrative for some—just like some independent bookstores or corner stores are still profitable in an age of Chapters and Walmart. But the prominence given to Indys on an advertising board like PERB is misleading.

The real epicentre of play for pay has long shifted elsehwere.

Tantalizeme, you may be the largest pocket of untapped natural gas known to man!

Panther

 

[Sleepmonger]

I have admired your pooning techniques for a long time tant.

I was wondering how it affects you if you encounter a SP who refuses to use the contents of your pooner bag? Are you conditioned to having your routine to follow, to the point where the session is a disappointment, or it's hard for you to get off, without the familiar accessories?

Also, have you ever experienced a session where the SP takes over, throws you on the bed, ties you up and has her way with you? Do you enjoy having the woman in control or do you prefer to be the one calling the shots?

Enquiring minds want to know ...

That would be so hilarious if it was completely unplanned.

He brings in his ropes, whips, and various other toys, and the tiny little asian girl will have none of that. She just flips him onto the table, ties him up, and has her way with him. ound:

 

[Pillowtalk]

What's really alarming is this is only part one of three attempts to rationalize and push a 'bag of tricks' agenda here.

I doubt most people need tools to get to cumpletion so to speak. And why wouldn't someone think "rape kit" when they see the bag is not just shaving kit size? The thing has to be the size of a hockey equipment bag by now.


And I can't wait to hear all the indys response (if they bother) to the rather condescending and rude comment about how being indy is inefficient and stressful. How can being self employed rather than at the whim of demanding bosses forcing them to see guys with potential rape kits, who feel free to whip them and photograph them with or without their consent less stressful??

Just pointing out, if there is any mudslinging going on here, it seems to be pretty clear that not only does tant seem to hate white sps, asian guys but now indy sps of all colours. Something threatening about someone who isn't 'compliant' I guess.

 

[tantalizeme]

Tantalizeme, you may be the largest pocket of untapped natural gas known to man!

Panther

Hey brother,

Always good to get a veteran's input. Thanks for your somewhat mystifying compliment. Glad if I can help contribute to the energy supply around here.

Don't think I'll ever rival your post count, though. But I notice these days you rarely bother with reviews—having far too much fun with those non-reviewable young Koreans, I guess?

 

[tantalizeme]

I have admired your pooning techniques for a long time tant.

I was wondering how it affects you if you encounter a SP who refuses to use the contents of your pooner bag? Are you conditioned to having your routine to follow, to the point where the session is a disappointment, or it's hard for you to get off, without the familiar accessories?

Also, have you ever experienced a session where the SP takes over, throws you on the bed, ties you up and has her way with you? Do you enjoy having the woman in control or do you prefer to be the one calling the shots?

Enquiring minds want to know ...

Hi Ms. Sarah,

The admiration is entirely mutual, and we definitely share inquiring minds.

As for encountering an SP "who refuses to use the contents of my pooner bag"—well, I always employ judgment about which toys are appropriate with which lady. Obviously a whip, flogger or butt plug isn't everyone's cup of tea.

No Asian lady ever denied me the use of my blanket, though I always truthfully reassure them "gānggāng xǐ gānjing le" (It's freshly washed). A few rather prickly ladies were averse to using my vibrator, even though I always sheathe it in a condom. A few also didn't want me to use my preferred lube.

That's no big deal; I always just go with the flow. On a few occasions a lady initially wanted me to use her condoms—but once she awakened my man tool to its full glory, she readily abandoned that idea.

I'm not dead set on any routine, but go with whatever feels right at the moment. That said, however, I find that, with most ladies, investing at least 10 min in conversational and tactile foreplay is advisable for optimal rapport.

Except for having a condom that fits well, the "accessories" I like are a luxury rather than a necessity. I certainly don't need them to get off. But when it comes to working the surroundings of a lady's clit, I suspect the average male tongue is hardly a match for a good vibrator. What's your take on this?

I generally find it convenient to commence with mish and then rotate through various positions in a flexible order. Greek requires a certain threshold of mutual arousal, which generally is only achieved well into a session.

As for having a dominant sex partner who ties me up, whips me and completely takes control, I experienced this with a GF but never with an SP—but definitely wouldn't mind.

I'm not attracted at all to no-FS dommes, though. And being dominated isn't enough of a kink for me to budget extra for this. I'm by nature more a top than a bottom—except, of course, that I love a wild girl riding on top of me anytime.

 

[lenny]

I doubt most people need tools to get to cumpletion so to speak. And why wouldn't someone think "rape kit" when they see the bag is not just shaving kit size? The thing has to be the size of a hockey equipment bag by now.

It appears PT might actually have a sense of humour.

I'll credit Sir Tantcalot with bringing that out.

These two should hook up for a "session" sometime.

That might result in the "review of the ages".

Anyone care to donate towards this "righteous cause"?



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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaginal#Clinical_relevance

 

[tantalizeme]

Was going to let sleeping dog lie...but seems this dog doesn't want to sleep

What`s really alarming is this is only part one of three attempts to rationalize and push a `bag of tricks` agenda here.

I doubt most people need tools to get to cumpletion so to speak. And why wouldn`t someone think "rape kit" when they see the bag is not just shaving kit size? The thing has to be the size of a hockey equipment bag by now.


And I can`t wait to hear all the indys response (if they bother) to the rather condescending and rude comment about how being indy is inefficient and stressful. How can being self employed rather than at the whim of demanding bosses forcing them to see guys with potential rape kits, who feel free to whip them and photograph them with or without their consent less stressful??

Just pointing out, if there is any mudslinging going on here, it seems to be pretty clear that not only does tant seem to hate white sps, asian guys but now indy sps of all colours. Something threatening about someone who isn`t `compliant` I guess.

It appears PT might actually have a sense of humour.

I`ll credit Sir Tantcalot with bringing that out.

These two should hook up for a "session" sometime.

That might result in the "review of the ages".

Anyone care to donate towards this "righteous cause"?

Hey Lenny,

Yes, Pillow and I should definitely have a session sometime. I always relish her good-natured ribbing. It`s flattering to have her among my most dedicated readers.

She insinuates I intend push a `back of tricks` agenda. I share her concern that the pooner-bag idea could spread like wildfire—and that an unfolding pooner-bag conspiracy might even force Western SPs like Pillow to adapt.

But as you surely appreciate, Lenny, my main agenda here is discussing the merits of a potentially helpful pooning idea. It`s really my attempt to pay back a debt of gratitude for what I`ve learnt from brothers, including yourself.

I`m not that big on needing "tools," compared to S&M aficionados like brother Puntmeister. Really my only regular toy, apart from a comfy blanket and relaxing music, is a small vibrator. I bring my vibrator along, not for myself, but to please the ladies. I find it gets them hotter, quicker.

Poor Pillow doesn`t seem to realize, there`s a world of difference between the arousal effects of a guy`s fumbling tongue and that of my whirry little magic-maker. And, as Greek lovers know (though this probably doesn`t include Pillow either), using a butt plug is often helpful to pave the way, so to speak, into the chocolate factory.

Aspersions to the contrary notwithstanding, I`m the kind of guy who goes through life with a smile and doesn`t hate a soul. The worst sin I can justifiably be accused of is a distinct preference for budget-friendly play-for-pay.

My comments about Indys having a business model that`s needlessly inefficient, stressful and dangerous wasn`t meant to be "rude" or "condenscending"—just empathetic. There`s often talk on PERB about the risks Indys face, and there`s talk of how much they have on their plate (I`m sure you saw Volpina Vance`s thread yesterday?)

I also note with regret, that Japanese firecracker Yoko Ana got a little burned out recently—was hoping to try her massage plus extras. Oh, and didn`t Vannesssa`s back just give out from doing some unspecified heavy lifting?

Lady Companion has even gone on record saying she spends 40 hours a week on necessary preparation and follow-up, for a total work week of over 80 hrs! https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...on-from-the-SP-perspective&highlight=finacial

In this day and age, it`s beyond me that elite Indys would run themselves ragged doing household chores and administrative work—when life could be so much easier if they only teamed up with like-minded others and shared hired help. Would sure be nice for clients, too, to find high-end SPs less harried and more relaxed, well-rested, undistracted and just focused on giving great service.

Sincerely hope I`m not endangering my friendship with Pillow if I point out the obvious: in her ideological zeal, that little thing called "truth" sometimes escapes her notice.