My favorite pooner in the world—who's yours?
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Brother, you sound like an ethical pooner with nagging qualms about exploiting anyone. Nothing prevents you from giving these girls your money.
But I bet you won't—not without mutual benefit. Guys like Thommo actually give these girls money—and help feed their families, pay their school fees and allow them some self-respect.
For those who would echo Jenna*Caramel's sentiments—probably most Western SPs—here's an article by a Thai sex worker organization called "Empower. http://www.nationmultimedia.com/life/Sex-trade-not-traffic-30177322.html
It reports that current campaigns trying to rescue sex workers are doing more harm than good. "We have now reached a point in history where there are more women in the Thai sex industry being abused by anti-trafficking practices than there are women exploited by traffickers."
Hard to refute Empower's points. Interesting food for thought.
tant, all I see here is you finding some new way to blame all women for your woes, and someone else giving you permission to now be a guy who pursues the hobby without conscience. And I think for you, that is a dangerous place to be. You've already got and express a lot of resentment towards women that you feel are 'withholding" something that you have a right to get from them. I just don't see anything good coming out of this, really. You are finding ways to excuse behaviour that would be unacceptable were the women/girls not being paid. You even resent, as you call them "western" women who are sps charging for their services. Already available for a fee, you take it up one more notch and determine they think they are princesses because their fees are higher than an older woman in a micro. The older woman not having to take care of any additional expenses the independent 'western princess' incurs, but I gather your POV is that they are overcharging for the same vagina that the older foreign worker has lol.
Anyways, good luck with that. I still don't see how you aren't paying the same amount by going somewhere else, but there is more possibility of a higher level of desperation than the ladies who come here from other countries. I think it is sad that you cannot see beyond your own genitals lol
I think it troubling that you admire the guy that wrote that description that you posted earlier in this thread. Basically we see someone forcing the girl to do what she'd already said no to. If that doesn't disturb you, I think there are bigger issues than your resentment of the 'western' women.
Anyways, good luck with that. I still don't see how you aren't paying the same amount by going somewhere else, but there is more possibility of a higher level of desperation than the ladies who come here from other countries. I think it is sad that you cannot see beyond your own genitals lol
I think it troubling that you admire the guy that wrote that description that you posted earlier in this thread. Basically we see someone forcing the girl to do what she'd already said no to. If that doesn't disturb you, I think there are bigger issues than your resentment of the 'western' women.
Why even mention age? Some of these "Western Princess types" who are charging significantly more are as old or older than the Asian women in the Micros.
One could easily ask why the hell would a man pay a premium for a much older woman when he can pay the same and get a younger one but that would be as silly as wondering why some prefer the company of an Asian woman over a Caucasian one. To each his own. Get over it already.
I have no idea what your point is lol. Did you miss mine for some reason? The point isn't that western women charge more or less than anyone else, the point is tantalizeme appears to hate and blame them for withholding free sex from him. I have no idea why he thinks any woman he meets owes him sex, but it is reflected in many posts when he pops into someone else's review and disses the sp being reviewed, even accusing them of things they have never done, or never been suggested they do. He starts off one positive review of a reputable sp with "I didn't expect much, because, after all, she's not a 30 year old asian sp, and we all know that western women are crappy people and definitely not very nice or never friendly" or words to that effect.Why even mention age? Some of these "Western Princess types" who are charging significantly more are as old or older than the Asian women in the Micros.
One could easily ask why the hell would a man pay a premium for a much older woman when he can pay the same and get a younger one but that would be as silly as wondering why some prefer the company of an Asian woman over a Caucasian one. To each his own. Get over it already.
Anyway, his hero carries around 2-3 different cameras, and records people without their knowledge or consent, and plans to sell the videos online.
When that happens here, there is a public outcry about what a douchebag move that is.
I can see where you might get that from, although i think it likely this is another case of your overworked imagination gone wild (not to be confused with "Girls Gone Wild" videos). What seems clear is that Mr. Tant is a Mr. Nice Guy, ever polite, eloquent and full of gace, & that will never change. The drawback on that is such are always in danger of being taken advantage by others, sex workers being no exception to the rule. In Thailand, it is often said on forums, Thai girls will eat nice guys alive. I'd think probably much the same could be said about China, PI, etc. What i'm hearing here in this thread is that what Tantalizme has gained from Thommo, amongst other things, is the refusal to be a pushover or doormat & to go for what you want. I hope he can follow in his steps, apart from the vices, naturally.
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Could it be that you're interpreting Tantalizeme's statement of "taking one's pooning dollar to exotic destinations where it's most needed and appreciated" as meaning that he thinks he's doing them a "favor"? If so, that would be an assumption on your part. Additionally, if he feels that he is doing them a favour, are you going to deny that dollars are more "needed and appreciated" there? If i take my dollars to business X instead of business Y, could it be because i want to do them a favour?
allow me to slightly re-phrase your statement...
so i take it you're against going to, oh... mexico let's say, for a vacation, because 'it has a self serving ring about it'?
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Certainly "pooning" is usually self serving. The rest of the quote could be seen as compassionate
or thinking about others.
Pooning would not be self serving in a small minority of cases, like a guy goes to help his marriage, maybe with no sex involved, perhaps even doing it in protest at the demands of his wife.
"Many Thai women, for example, believe the existence of prostitution actively reduces the incidence of rape.[9]Among many Thai people, there is a general attitude that prostitution has always been, and will always be, a part of the social fabric of Thailand.[9]
"According to a 1996 study, the sexual urge of men is perceived by both Thai men and women as being very much stronger than the sexual urge of women. Where women are thought to be able to exercise control over their desires, the sexual urge of men is seen to be "a basic physiological need or instinct". It is also thought by both Thai men and women that men need "an occasional variation in partners". As female infidelity is strongly frowned upon in Thai society, and, according to a 1993 survey, sexual relationships for single women also meets disapproval by a majority of the Thai population, premarital sex, casual sex and extramarital sex with prostitutes is accepted, expected and sometimes even encouraged for Thai men, the latter being perceived as less threatening to a marriage over lasting relationships with a so-called "minor wife".[15]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Thailand#Social_views
"Compassion is an empathy and sympathy for the suffering of others, regarded as a part of love itself, and a cornerstone of greater social interconnection and humanism — foundational to the highest principles in philosophy, society, and personhood.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion
You're asking a lot of questions, but not assenting to any points when answered. So let me ask you a few things.
Is it possible to see a sex worker without purely selfish intentions, or for the sake of someone else?
More to the point of the origin of this conversation, if i give my money to business A instead of business B, is it possible i am doing this as a favor to business A.
BTW, if a guy tips SPs extremely generously, like Tantalizme has done in Hong Kong, is that a favour?
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I didn't see any evidence of 'generous tipping' in his tales, but as far as thinking of this as in any way a reflection of generosity or compassion, I have never seen any evidence of any empathy at all, really, except the stories he makes up. I kind of think he gets off a lot more on seeing someone who is working for less, than he does seeing someone who has a lot more independence and choices. There are many examples of a very selfish approach to his sexual life, from forcing his GF at the time into group sex activities to satisfy his personal needs, not hers. To pretend that his GF (whichever one) reluctance to do something is only due to cultural brainwashing, and not simply that she has no interest or desire to do it. I don't see much evidence that he cares about anything other than himself and his sex, and that he needs a GF because that is his only entry into swinger/group sex parties.
But go ahead and find something to copy and prove that wrong lol. I'm sure there is something irrelevant on wikipedia about sps in Guam that you can use.
I'd say tipping 20, 50, 100% is generous, even extremely generous. Just because you don't see it,
doesn't mean it isn't there & not easy to find if you wanted to, which i'm sure you don't.
I do, although i also see it is a matter of perspective, as we are all far from perfect.
It's easy to say the word "irrelevant". Quite something else to present a reasonable case
in support of your implication.
the ONLY reason I don't step in when you draw a very speculative "conclusion" and site a few websites as evidence of the "facts" is because there is no interest in actual truth with you.
I think irrelevant sums up a lot of the information you share.
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I think a more constructive and humble approach, rather than dismissing something stated
as being "irrelevant" & laughing about it, would be to ask how it is relevant. Maybe you
didn't see the relevance or how the author thought it was so self-evidently relevant as
to need no comment or explanation in that regard.
Proud to report—Thommo responded!
Thommo mentioned somewhere, he had been writing about his overseas mongering trips for 10 yrs—without getting much feedback.
"You can't go without feedback for 10 years and continue writing," he mused.
So I decided to register with his whorist.com website and repost my PERB homage to his work. And guess what, he graciously responded under the heading, "Tantalizing ....."
For all you avid Thommo fans, I reproduce his response to me in part:
"Thanks for the feedback. First time I have heard the word 'tantalize' for a while.
I kid you not , over 10yrs on Internet , I have read stories from real mongers , boy , they leave me for dead in quantity , variety of experiences , especially unusual experiences/techniques. Unfortunately they do not have the patience to sit down and write their lifes story (mongering).
One book I bought early on in my Mongering career , around 1970 , at a guess , in Taiwan , never forget its name : "My Secret Life"
Ha ha , pervert etc. What a story. Based on 19th century , not recent times.
Yeh , now in modern era , they are around , Master Mongers , wish they'd sit down (stop fucking) and write a book about their endeavours. Sell like a hot cake. Just like 'My Secret Life' , above. Walter was a pioneer Monger : )
Thanks for feedback , we wannabe authors need sustenance , and feedback is the most important sustenance of them all." http://www.whorist.com/forums/showthread.php?71-Find-Thommo-here-....../page23
Thommo mentioned somewhere, he had been writing about his overseas mongering trips for 10 yrs—without getting much feedback.
"You can't go without feedback for 10 years and continue writing," he mused.
So I decided to register with his whorist.com website and repost my PERB homage to his work. And guess what, he graciously responded under the heading, "Tantalizing ....."
For all you avid Thommo fans, I reproduce his response to me in part:
"Thanks for the feedback. First time I have heard the word 'tantalize' for a while.
I kid you not , over 10yrs on Internet , I have read stories from real mongers , boy , they leave me for dead in quantity , variety of experiences , especially unusual experiences/techniques. Unfortunately they do not have the patience to sit down and write their lifes story (mongering).
One book I bought early on in my Mongering career , around 1970 , at a guess , in Taiwan , never forget its name : "My Secret Life"
Ha ha , pervert etc. What a story. Based on 19th century , not recent times.
Yeh , now in modern era , they are around , Master Mongers , wish they'd sit down (stop fucking) and write a book about their endeavours. Sell like a hot cake. Just like 'My Secret Life' , above. Walter was a pioneer Monger : )
Thanks for feedback , we wannabe authors need sustenance , and feedback is the most important sustenance of them all." http://www.whorist.com/forums/showthread.php?71-Find-Thommo-here-....../page23
Sincere thanks, Lenny, for these kind words and your spirited defence of my humble efforts to contribute here. You`re right, I`ve a history of being far too much of a softie with women.
I`m also fond of Pillowchat, our resident contrarian, who livens things up around here.
Me and her go back years exchanging views and friendly teasing. I respect her mind and take any comment of hers, no matter how bittersweet, as an encouragement to continue writing.
In fact, I sometimes see her as a sex-loving kindred spirit with whom I might have a friendship going—if our conflicting economic interests didn`t get in the way.
I can`t help asking why I should pay $300 (or more) for a Western SP when I can enjoy myself just as much for $150 (or less) with an Asian SP—while Ms. Pillow no doubt dreams of a monopolistic SP organization forcing pooners to pay the maximum.
And she likes to distort the position of people she disagrees with. For example, I`ve never argued that "any woman [I meet] owes me sex"—but rather, that high-libido men (like myself) need ingenuity to find willing partners, without bankrupting themselves. A none-too-subtle difference, which I`d have expected a bright lady like Pillow to grasp.
Pillow`s paraphrase of how I started off "one positive review of a reputable SP" is also highly inaccurate. I can only think she`s referring to my 3 1/2-yr-old Holly Taylor review. The actual quote reads like this:
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?99399-Experiencing-Holly-Taylor&highlight=Experiencing
Still, kudos to Pillowchat for being able to hold on to a grudge for a very long time.
She does have a way of being a cranky spoilsport at times. Makes me worry whether, with such a grumpy attitude, she can succeed in this glorious profession.
So IOW you've seen evidence of his empathy. Thanks for admitting to that.
Sure? As i recall his bankroll is limited, as not all of us hobbyists are multi-millionaires, & he has remarked about this. So what's wrong with being economical & a guy getting the "most bang for his buck".
Forcing her? I assume you didn't mean to insinuate he physicly "forced" her, which would be rape. Nor that he mentally "forced" her, as if she's a mental retard unable to make her own free choices. So what do you mean? You also do understand that normal relationships involve compromise and sacrifice, right? So both partners should sometimes give up their own desires for the other, eh?
So which of the two is the truth? Why is it pretension? Could it be that "cultural brainwasing" has effected her "desires"? What thing was she "reluctant to do". Does the sex worker profession believe that guys who have SO's should only be monogamous?
Re the first half of your opinion, you don't really know him, do you, except re his comments here on this sex forum named PERB, which is about sex, not necessarily all the other aspects of a person's life?
P.S. is it true you had a previous incarnation here on PERB, under another handle?
It wouldn't be the first time.
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Your original statement remarked that a quote by the OP had a "self serving ring about it" (post 35) I replied "Certainly "pooning" is usually self serving" & you answered "when isn't pooning self serving?" (posts 38 & 39). Then i said in post 41:
"Pooning would not be self serving in a small minority of cases, like a guy goes to help his marriage, maybe with no sex involved, perhaps even doing it in protest at the demands of his wife."
At post 42 you highlighted "like a guy goes to help his marriage" & asked "not self-serving?"
I think, with the definitions below in mind, the example i stated in post 41 is clearly not self-serving. The guy is doing something he doesn't prefer to do, in going to see the SP, but does it for his marriage & wife. Rather than being selfish, he is the exact opposite.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/self-serving
If you are implying that for a favour to occur the recipient of the favour must have a certain degree of "choice" in having "chosen" their occupation or lot in life, this is evidently lacking in logic and/or an understanding of the meaning of the words "a favour".
When Tantalizeme travels overseas to poon, rather than do it locally, he is certainly favouring the one over the other, bestowing favour on one & preferring it over the other, and benefitting one monetarily instead of the other. Whether or not this might also indicate that he is doing them "a favor" may depend on the definition of the phrase "a favour". Though whether or not he considers it as doing a favour has not been stated in this thread.
A business woman asks a customer, "Please do us a favour and bring us your business instead of going to our competitor who lives much closer to you. We need the money way more than our competitor does." So the guy travels much farther to do the business woman a favor.
So the answer to the following question is yes:
"If i take my dollars to business X instead of business Y, could it be because i want to do them a favour?"
Does this mean that it's logicly possible the OP or some other sex tourists are doing overseas sex workers a favour in taking their business there? The benefiting of the needy could be a motivating, even decisive, factor, in individuals deciding where to poon.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/favour
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