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Young man who seriously assaulted bus driver given 18-month conditional sentence

DavidMR

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as for the Supreme Court on natives being "overrepresented" in prisons,well,duh,they're
in prison because they commited crimes.

No one can tell my why Aboriginals are so over-represented in the penal system. Do they really committ more crimes, or do they just get caught and/or convicted more often?

Here are two articles on the subject from the Globe and Mail:


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...native-sentencing-court-rules/article2379145/


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rs-leniency-they-dont-deserve/article2379725/
 
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vancity_cowboy

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No one can tell my why Aboriginals are so over-represented in the penal system. Do they really committ more crimes, or do they just get caught and/or convicted more often?

Here are two articles on the subject from the Globe and Mail:


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...native-sentencing-court-rules/article2379145/


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rs-leniency-they-dont-deserve/article2379725/
if you re-read hard copies of the articles with a yellow marker in your hand, and you mark every word that has 'alcohol' as its root, you will have a large part of the answer to your question
 

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There are no beds for this sort of individual in any GVRD Hospital. Daily, Neuro and Psych teams are being pressured to find out who they can send home that day. Anyone deemed ready to go is sent home that day.

There are not enough spaces in Group Homes either. If they are violent while in a Group Home they are sent packing that day. They usually end up in Emerg looking for a psych bed that same day.

Closing Riverview was the wrong way to go but we are already going down that path now. Each health region will have its own mini Riverview but they are not up and running fully yet. Combined all the health regions will not have the same number of beds as Riverview did in the past.
I'm hardly a "hang 'em high" kind of guy, but I can understand fully why people are outraged.

Having said that, BBB nailed it. Our entire society does an abysmal job of addressing the mentally disabled and mental illness. Whether it's facilities, beds, programs, or just qualified personnel, it receives a shockingly miniscule amount of public attention and finance compared to other areas that, quite frankly, are nowhere near as pressing of an issue.
 

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if you re-read hard copies of the articles with a yellow marker in your hand, and you mark every word that has 'alcohol' as its root, you will have a large part of the answer to your question

No one would deny that alcohol is a major problem in a lot of criminal behaviour including crimes among Natives. But I would be surprised if that ALONE is sufficient to explain higher Aboriginal incarceration rates.

If an Aboriginal guy who's a bit of a punk is poorer and has a harder time getting a lawyer with with legal aid cutbacks than his white counterpart, I would think that could really drive things further in the direction of a higher percentage of Aboriginals going to jail.
 

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No one would deny that alcohol is a major problem in a lot of criminal behaviour including crimes among Natives. But I would be surprised if that ALONE is sufficient to explain higher Aboriginal incarceration rates.

If an Aboriginal guy who's a bit of a punk is poorer and has a harder time getting a lawyer with with legal aid cutbacks than his white counterpart, I would think that could really drive things further in the direction of a higher percentage of Aboriginals going to jail.
those who are totally in the grip of all-out alcohol addiction DO commit more white man crimes, and yes they DO get caught/convicted more often
 
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The so-called conditional sentence is absolute bullsh*t.
I can only hope that someone goes vigilante and removes him from the gene pool.
Someone has to represent the innocent victims because our judicial is a crap shoot.

Sigh.
 

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Another great example of how things work in the Winnipeg Sun.:doh:
http://www.winnipegsun.com/2012/04/04/no-jail-for-beating-that-caused-brain-damage

But this guy gets jail time
http://www.winnipegsun.com/2012/04/03/extra-tax-returns-net-jail-time

Now I'm not saying you should get away with cheating on your taxes but by comparison which is worse.
The moral of the story is next time you're auditted by CRA, beat the tax man severely giving him permanent brain damage. The penalty will be less severe. ;)
 
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AngelaAurora

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Why was he bounced between foster homes and his parents if they were alcoholics and drug addicts?

Acknowledging past abuses of Natives shouldn't absolve them of accountability for serious, violent crimes. This is a tow-tiered justice system. What about the white, Chinese, Vietnamese, Indian, etc etc who had abusive upbringings?
I am native and I agree with you. This is simply disgusting, we don't have a justice system, we have an injustice system!
 

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those who are totally in the grip of all-out alcohol addiction DO commit more white man crimes, and yes they DO get caught/convicted more often
I am not clear on what you mean, here. If someone is an alcoholic, white or minority or Native, they're going to be more likely to be violent, abusive, criminal, etc.

Is it just a higher rate of alcoholism among Aboriginals that explains their higher incarceration rate?
 

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I am not clear on what you mean, here. If someone is an alcoholic, white or minority or Native, they're going to be more likely to be violent, abusive, criminal, etc.

Is it just a higher rate of alcoholism among Aboriginals that explains their higher incarceration rate?
if you'll pardon the unintended pun, there are no blacks and whites in discussing the subject of racial characteristics and how they affect people's ability to fit into a particular society - just shades of grey. many questions have many answers, and you have to have spent a lifetime among the subjects to even grasp a tiny bit of what drives the problem. add to that human individuality, and you have a true enigma

one thing is for sure - no matter how difficult a matter is, the courts cannot be seen to be endorsing injustice - against one or any identifiable part of society, and injustice is what this ruling endorses

in my opinion, the supreme court has missed the point entirely. our national legislation is completely flawed in that it treats natives as children, which they are decidedly not. the sooner the laws that promote apartheid in canada are repealed, the sooner the natives can begin to adapt to the present reality. if the supreme court justices cannot see this, then justice is truly blind
 
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