HIV in the news

lenny

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1/3,000,000 - be that as it may, I'd like to know where people get the notion of "risky" from numbers like that. Again, I'm not condoning bareback, I'm just saying those odds are well pretty much negligible. Since most guys aren't banging street girls bare, where yah I'm sure the majority of HIV infected women are, I'm just not understanding where the word "risky" plays a part. I'm talking strictly about HIV, nothing to do with other STI's just for arguments sake. And because these numbers are so low, this is in a way where I figure this virus just isn't really transmitting to others the way they claim, like I previously suggested using strictly male-female penis-vagina intercourse.

Lenny if you think it takes getting a woman drunk to do bbfs here, you'd be mistaken.
I think those odds would be quite different for slutty girls many guys pick up in the bar type of scene. Or, of course, with other easily available & cheap pussy one can find on the low track. So how realistic and applicable are those odds to the average guy, let alone the average pooner on a site like this? I think a survey was done not long ago and indicated around 30% of respondents here on PERB had seen lowtrack SWs.

As to claims how the virus is "transmitting", the rate of HIV infections seems to be quite low in countries like Canada as compared with places like Thailand. Why would that be? Well, one thing seems to be sure, safe sex is not practiced nearly as much in the East as it is in the West, and that includes both the sex trade business and those outside of it. So is it not the use of condoms in Canada that has kept us relatively safe compared to places like Africa? But i suppose the AIDS denialists would have another theory as to what is happening. Since i am not well versed in that viewpoint, i'll leave it to you to explain for our enlightenment. It could certainly be to my advantage if you guys were correct, even apart from the notion of saving expenses travelling to Siam & banging lowtrack Vancouver ladies BB instead, if HIV were just a lame carrier virus. But at this point i'm far from convinced & i'm not prepared to take that gamble that the mainstream scientific community is conspiring against us. I'm quite willing to shell out now, as a kind of insurance if you will. Though if i ever was diagnosed with HIV, i'd have some major decisions to make as to whether or not to take HAART & where to poon. I'll cross that bridge if & when i get there, as i can't see any reason to worry about it now; I'm having too much fun.


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lenny

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Lenny if you think it takes getting a woman drunk to do bbfs here, you'd be mistaken.
Not at all, though i'd suggest women are probably easier in Thailand, but i prefer to pay in cash (rather than in time, soul, playing games,
relationships & drama) in either case. Unlike Canada, BBFS with SP's in LOS is widely available, easily obtained, and dirt cheap. It is also
very easy & inexpensive to send them to the hospital for STD tests.
 

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An Sp told a story of how an SP friend of hers in England contracted HIV from a client.
This client apparently came over for weeks, never wanted full service, some weeks later he did have fs with her.

However he was evil and had HIV, he brought his own condoms which he tampered with, by punching a hole in the tip with a pin.

He was apparently able to infect at least 3 woman with HIV, using this tactic. In a very short period of time.
There have been many other stories like this as well, for example some black football player in Ontario gave HIV to a few girlfriends and some massage parlour workers.

It is cases like these that fly directly against the 1 in 3000 or so odds of transmitting HIV, or at least bolster my argument that those odds they publish are aggregated from all kinds of situations and don't truly reflect the real odds of transmission in a typical sustained intimate encounter situation, and certainly underscores that the mechanism of transmission works very well.

Once the skin is broken or once there is sustained contact with the mucous membrane, what are the chances of the virus, carried by blood or semen, entering the blood stream? I'd say very very good.
 

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And I wasn't really arguing that per se, but it is true in the case of HIV it takes a great deal of blood to transfer the virus.
Where the hell did you get that idea? There have been many cases of HIV being transmitted after a session of sex, presumably from infected semen. How much semen is normally ejaculated? Around a tablespoon for the average man. In other words, it takes about a tablespoon of infected fluid, and that's not a "great deal of...".
 

lenny

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There have been many cases of HIV being transmitted after a session of sex, presumably from infected semen. How much semen is normally ejaculated? Around a tablespoon for the average man. In other words, it takes about a tablespoon of infected fluid, and that's not a "great deal of...".
Personally i almost always ejaculate outside the vagina, and not on the SP, whether she asks for that or not.
There was one i was seeing often who wanted to have children & and a few times i let her have it, but it
didn't take.

I've also had occasions where the bed sheet was mingled with blood, including after CFS, BB, and times when
the rubber slipped off wholly or in part. I guess the risk of HIV would be higher than normal on her period, though
in most cases i had already sent the lady for HIV tests that were negative. Apparently being circumcised also
makes one significantly safer.
 

lenny

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This is quite out of date as it's from studies done over 2 decades ago:

"Early studies suggest that Canadian female prostitutes are no more likely to be infected with HIV or other sexually transmitted diseases than other women, unless they are also intravenous drug users.[4] (W Darrow. Prostitution, Intravenous Drug Use and HIV-1 in the United States. In M Plant, supra, note 1.) Studies also show that in their sexual relations, sex-trade workers use condoms more consistently than other populations similar in age, race, and sex. [5] Further, with respect to female hookers, the fact that the transmission of HIV from female to male is so difficult would suggest that the sex trade is unlikely to be a source of the spread of HIV/AIDS. Early studies of men who use female prostitutes confirm this; they did not reveal a single case in which a client was infected by a prostitute. [6] It is far more likely, particularly in the current legal context, which excludes sex-trade workers from the protection of the law, that prostitutes are at risk from their clients."

http://www.walnet.org/csis/papers/bastow-aidslaw.html
 

lenny

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So would a circumcised guy doing BBFS be almost as safe as an uncircumcised guy doing CFS?

"...they found that the circumcised men had a 60% reduced risk of acquiring HIV compared to the uncircumcised men."
http://www.cihr-irsc.gc.ca/e/40296.html

"The best evidence to date indicates that typical condom use reduces the risk of heterosexual HIV transmission by approximately 80%..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS#Prevention
 

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"Do people with HIV have to tell their sex partners? Supreme Court to decide"


http://ca.news.yahoo.com/people-hiv-tell-sex-partners-supreme-court-decide-110006052.html



WINNIPEG - Canada's highest court is set to hear arguments over whether it's a crime for people with HIV to keep their condition from their sexual partners if the risk of transmission is low.

Supreme Court justices are to hear two cases Wednesday — appeals from the provinces of Manitoba and Quebec — that hinge on the obligations of those with the virus that causes AIDS.

Prosecutors argue people carrying HIV must always inform their partners regardless of the risks of transmission. That way partners can decide if they want to run the risk of contracting the virus.

Advocates supporting people with HIV argue that such thinking criminalizes carriers of the virus and doesn't acknowledge the science that can determine the likelihood of transmission.

All are looking to the Supreme Court to clarify the law and update a high court ruling from 1998 which has been interpreted differently by judges across the country ever since.

"There is a high level of uncertainty among people living with HIV regarding when they are required under the criminal law to disclose their HIV-positive status," said Cecile Kazatchkine, policy analyst with the Canadian HIV/AIDS Legal Network.

"The uncertainty in the law is creating great fear in the community. People need to know what could put them at risk of prosecutions."

One of the cases involves Clato Mabior, a Winnipeg immigrant who was originally convicted of six counts of aggravated sexual assault and sentenced to 14 years in prison for failing to disclose his illness to numerous partners. Four of those convictions were overturned by the Manitoba Court of Appeal, which found not everyone who had sex with Mabior was exposed to "significant risk."

Mabior was undergoing antiretroviral therapy and used condoms in a few of his encounters. None of his partners tested positive for HIV, the court noted.

Manitoba, in its appeal to the Supreme Court, is arguing that Mabior exposed each of his partners to the chance of infection.

"Certain acts are dangerous in and of themselves because they create the chance that someone could be hurt or killed," the province says in its submission. "It does not matter that the chance of this occurring is small — the law aims to stop people from taking that chance."

Provincial Crown attorneys acknowledge progress has been made in the fight against HIV, but say it is still an "incurable, life-altering potentially fatal disease" — and even if the odds of transmitting it are low, full disclosure is required.

"At best, it is still a life sentence. At worst, it is a death sentence," the submission says. "The choice whether to assume this risk must, it is respectfully submitted, lie with the person assuming the risk, not the person imposing it."

In the Quebec case, a woman carrying HIV met her partner in 2000 and did not disclose her illness the first time they had sex. After she told him, the two stayed together for four years and separated when she accused him of domestic violence. He then went to police and accused her of failing to disclose her illness.

She was found guilty of aggravated assault and sexual assault, but the convictions were overturned by Quebec's Court of Appeal. The court found the odds of transmission at the time were low. Crown prosecutors appealed to the Supreme Court.

"There is no real consent if the sexual partner is not informed of the HIV-positive status of the other," they say in their submission. "Having HIV is a sad diagnosis which brings constraints to the person who has it. The infected person must confront this illness with courage. It is utopian to think the infected person can have a sex life similar to that of someone who is not infected."

The Crown compared it to a parent's decision to vaccinate a child.

"The choice belongs to the person who assumes the risk."

But lawyers for Mabior and the Quebec woman, who cannot be named, both argue such a sweeping responsibility for disclosure unfairly strips those carrying HIV of their right to privacy. This could have a chilling effect which could "discourage people from being tested and treated for HIV and further endanger both themselves and the public," Mabior's lawyers argue in their submission.

Condom users or those who have a low enough viral load to make transmitting the disease unlikely should not be punished, they argue. Criminalizing everyone who has sex without disclosing their HIV would "open the floodgates" to ridiculous prosecutions.

"It will serve only to turn law abiding citizens into criminals regardless of their efforts to protect their partners by complying with public health advice on HIV prevention. Such a result would shock the community and serve only to further stigmatize the virus and anyone living with it."

Defence lawyers for the Quebec woman echo those arguments. They say Canada lags far behind other countries when it comes to HIV infections. The law is crying out for modernization and clarification of what constitutes "significant risk," they say.

"We submit that only the actual intentional transmission of the virus should be criminalized, as in most of the Commonwealth countries."

Organizations in Ontario and Quebec are planning events next week to raise awareness of the issue and to expose what they say are injustices in the current law.
 

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Yes you have to inform your partner. No questions asked. There is no valid argument against putting someone unknowningly at risk (when they should have a choice), which in turn can place others at risk.
 

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"HIV disclosure to sex partners mulled by top court"

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/supreme-court-hears-hiv-disclosure-case-153154940.html

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The country's top court is hearing the case of two HIV-positive people who did not disclose their medical condition to their sexual partners.

Lawyers for Clato Mabior are appearing before the Supreme Court of Canada on Wednesday to argue that Canadian law criminalizes carriers of HIV — the virus that causes AIDS — and does not acknowledge variations in transmission levels.

CBC's Maureen Brosnahan said a core issue facing the Supreme Court judges is how to decide what is considered significant risk of infection. That was not defined in the 1998 decision that said it was a crime to hide HIV-positive status from a sexual partner.

"Back then, HIV was still considered pretty much a death sentence, and now since then, with new medications … [HIV carriers] can actually lower what's called their viral load, so the chances of them transmitting the disease really becomes really almost theoretical," Brosnahan said.

The court has so far heard from Manitoba Crown attorney Elizabeth Thomson, who has taken "a very hard line" on the issue, she said.

"Her view is regardless of science, regardless of viral loads, regardless of risk, she says if you've got HIV, it's a lifelong chronic illness, and she believes there should be disclosure regardless," Brosnahan said.

"Needless to say, the judges are challenging her."

Winnipeg-based Mabior was sentenced to prison in 2008 for 14 years after he was found guilty of having unprotected sex with four females and protected sex with two others, including a 12-year-old girl.

Mabior's convictions hinged on his failure to inform his sexual partners that he has HIV. Four of the convictions were later overturned on appeal.

None of his partners were infected with HIV as a result of their contact with him.

At the time of Mabior's appeal, court heard that medical tests showed he had a low level of infection between 2002 and 2004, the period in which the sexual encounters took place.

Mabior's lawyers argued that his risk of transmitting HIV to his partners was therefore low.

However, the Crown argued that Mabior did not ever disclose his HIV status to his sexual partners, therefore denying them the right to consent or refuse to engage in sexual activity with him.

The Supreme Court will also hear arguments from lawyers representing a Quebec woman who had unprotected sex with her former spouse without first informing him that she was HIV-positive.

A publication ban prevents naming the woman, who is referred to in Supreme Court documents only as "D.C."

The woman was found guilty of sexual assault and aggravated assault, but that conviction was later overturned on the basis that her viral load was undetectable during the period that the charges covered.

A number of organizations will appear at the Supreme Court hearing, including the Canadian HIV/AIDS Legal Network, the British Columbia Civil Liberties Association, L'institut national de santé publique du Québec, and the Criminal Lawyers' Association of Ontario.

The court's ruling may not benefit Mabior, a Sudanese refugee, as he is set to be deported to Sudan later this month.

Mabior has been awaiting deportation for over a year since he completed his prison sentence. Immigration officials have been keeping him in Canada to date due to political strife in Sudan.

Tim McCaskell, a Toronto HIV/AIDS activist, warned that a decision from the Supreme Court requiring that all infected individuals disclose their condition could lead to greater risk of HIV spreading.

He reasoned that some people living with the virus may not seek diagnosis out of fear of being prosecuted in the future for knowingly carrying it.

"I would be very afraid for the health of Canadians, because I certainly think that would discourage testing," he told CBC News on Wednesday. "If people don't test, they don't get treated. If they don't get treated, the viral load increases, and then they become very infectious, and then they can't tell someone that they're positive or negative because then they don't know."

David Eby, president of the Canadian HIV/AIDS Legal Network, worries that the creation of a new type of offence under aggravated sexual assault increases the stigma against people with HIV.

The lack of clear guidelines on the laws across Canada is also problematic, he said, noting that the courts have not considered the lowered risk of transmission when a person uses a condom or takes antiretroviral drugs.

"Courts have interpreted whether or not someone is wearing a condom as potentially reducing the level below significant risk, but people have also been convicted in situations where they've used a condom," Eby told CBC News from Vancouver.

He added that criminalizing non-disclosure of HIV status won't necessarily provide the public with any additional protection.

"It may in fact provide the public with a false sense of security," Eby argued, because people may have unprotected sex, presuming their partner must be HIV negative because of the disclosure laws.

An estimated 75,000 people in Canada were living with HIV at the end of 2009, according to the Centre for Infectious Disease Prevention and Control.

Since the 1998 Supreme Court ruling, more than 130 people have been charged for not disclosing their HIV-positive status to their sexual partners, Brosnahan reported.
 

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http://www.vancouversun.com/health/...purging+body/6282481/story.html#ixzz1ox35Gf2K

Team finds crucial step to purging body of HIV

Drug forces virus out of hiding and may be 'the first step' to finding a cure, study author says


Researchers at the University of North Carolina have discovered what could be a vital step toward a cure for HIV.

By giving patients a drug normally used for treating some kinds of lymphoma, they have managed to force dormant, hid-den HIV viruses to reveal their presence.

That's crucial if scientists want to find a way to target the viruses and eliminate them from the body, said Dr. David Margolis, a professor of medicine, microbiology and immunology, and epidemiology who lead the study.

Margolis presented his findings Thursday at a major conference on retroviruses and opportunistic infections in Seattle.

HIV is the virus that causes AIDS. In recent years, patients have been able to hold it at bay with elaborate cocktails of anti-retroviral drugs.

Even though these drug regimens can halt the progress of the disease, they can be costly, and they cause side effects. Also, the virus remains, hiding in certain cells, and can turn active again if patients stop taking the drugs.

Researchers believed that a crucial step toward purging the body of HIV was finding a trigger to luring the virus from its hiding place. That's what the UNC team has done for the first time.

The study worked like this: Six HIV-infected men whose conditions were stable and who were on anti-retrovirals were given a single dose of a drug called vorinostat.

Earlier studies by Margolis and others had found that the drug attacks the enzymes that keep HIV hiding in specialized immune system cells that the virus uses to replicate itself.

Within hours, all six patients had a significant increase in detectable forms of HIV in these cells. That showed that the "on-off" switch for the virus had, at least mildly, been flicked on, forcing the virus to show itself.

"This proves for the first time that there are ways to specifically treat viral latency, the first step towards curing HIV infection," said Margolis.

"It shows that this class of drugs, HDAC inhibitors, can attack persistent virus. Vor-inostat may not be the magic bullet, but this success shows us a new way to test drugs to target latency, and suggests that we can build a path that may lead to a cure."

The next steps in the research include a fuller exploration of that HDAC inhibitors' effects on the virus, Margolis said, including such things as examining how HIV might respond to multiple doses and other variables.

The findings from that research will determine the next directions for scientists working toward a cure, he said.

The research was done as part of a UNC-led national consortium called the Collabora-tory of AIDS Researchers for Eradication, which is funded by the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

Margolis is the principal investigator for the consortium, which won a $32 million federal grant last year to search for ways to cure HIV patients by eliminating those hidden remnants of the virus.

These reservoirs are bits of HIV genetic material that languish in certain cells within the immune system.

The latest finding burnishes UNC-Chapel Hill's growing reputation in HIV research. Last year another UNC-Chapel Hill-led group announced that the antiretroviral drugs used to treat the virus can be a strong barrier to spreading of the disease. That finding was named the biggest scientific break-through of 2011 by the journal Science.

The prevention method and the new discovery by Margolis' team could work together. If a way to purge patients of the virus can be found, that and prevention methods could be used to put HIV in a kind of squeeze play that could sharply reduce the massive cost in dollars and misery that HIV/AIDS exacts on society, Margolis said in an interview last year.

© Copyright (c) The Vancouver Sun
 

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Game changer

"The UN Programme on HIV/Aids (UNAids) has called for increased funding for the early treatment of people with HIV.

"The head of the agency, Michael Sidibe, said a new study showed it could reduce the risk of HIV transmission by 96%.

"...On Thursday, a UN report said there had been a nearly 25% decline in new HIV infections and a reduction in Aids-related deaths during the past decade.

http://crofsblogs.typepad.com/h5n1/2011/06/hivaids-the-30-year-pandemic.html

"Game Changer

"He stressed the importance of a recent trial, which found that if a person living with HIV adhered to an effective antiretroviral regimen, the risk of transmitting the virus to their uninfected sexual partner could be reduced by 96%.

" "Access to treatment will transform the Aids response in the next decade. We must invest in accelerating access and finding new treatment options.

" "Antiretroviral therapy is a bigger game-changer than ever before - it not only stops people from dying, but also prevents transmission of HIV to women, men and children," he added.

"Mr Sidibe said the challenge was to expand access to drugs, and deal with social factors that in some countries continue to stigmatise the disease and make women particularly vulnerable.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-13652702
 

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"An HIV Game Changer?

"It might make you wince, but this small piece of plastic could be a game-changer.

"The World Health Organization has shown that male circumcision helps reduce the spread of HIV by 60 percent among heterosexual men. But in the devleoping world, where trained doctors and nurses are few and far between, the procedure often isn't an option.

"Enter PrePex, the small plastic device that allows for safe, sterile circumcision without anesthesia, blood or surgical knives. Is it a game-changer?"

http://www.takepart.com/video/one-small-device-could-help-win-hiv-war
 

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Kind of a silly reason for an adult circumcision.
I've already posted how bbfs with a random Canadian women, where its not known if she has hiv, chance of getting it from her 1 in 3 million.
(based on a combination of cut and uncut men)
If circumcision makes it 1 in 4 or 5 million........does it really matter?
 

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Kind of a silly reason for an adult circumcision.
I've already posted how bbfs with a random Canadian women, where its not known if she has hiv, chance of getting it from her 1 in 3 million.
(based on a combination of cut and uncut men)
If circumcision makes it 1 in 4 or 5 million........does it really matter?
In that light, bcneil, i have no disagreement, & am one of many who appreciate your valuable insights. Though, as far as i know,
the WHO organization is targeting only certain "developing" (i.e. third world) nations for the recommendation of male circumcision:

http://www.takepart.com/video/one-small-device-could-help-win-hiv-war

"WHO/UNAIDS recommendations emphasize that male circumcision should be considered an efficacious intervention for HIV prevention in countries and regions with heterosexual epidemics, high HIV and low male circumcision prevalence."

http://www.who.int/hiv/topics/malecircumcision/en/

I think somewhere i read they have said that this has the potential to stop millions from becoming HIV infected.

BTW, for international pooners going to places like China, PI & Thailand to BB sex workers, circumcision could be a "game changer".
 

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"Life Expectancy Increases for North Americans Living With HIV"

"A 20-year-old, HIV-infected individual on treatment who is living in the USA or Canada can reasonably expect to live into his or her early 70s, which is slightly lower than the USA general average of 78 years, according to a study presented at CROI 2012. However, there were notable differences in life expectancy depending on several factors, including transmission group, race and baseline CD4+ count."

http://www.thebodypro.com/content/6...creases-for-north-americans-livi.html?ic=7001
 

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"FDA panel endorses pill to prevent HIV infection"

CHICAGO -- Condoms and other safe-sex practices accomplished only so much. Now the 30-year battle against AIDS is on the verge of a radical new phase, with the government expected to endorse a once-a-day pill to prevent infection with the virus.

Some doctors already are giving patients the drug, Truvada, to ward off infection. But Food and Drug Administration approval would expand that practice and could make the expensive medicine more affordable. Truvada costs $11,000-$14,000 a year.

The lifetime cost of treating one person diagnosed with the AIDS virus has been estimated at more than $600,000.

Approval seems likely after an FDA advisory panel endorsed the use of Truvada for prevention Thursday.

"With this recommendation, we're nearing a watershed moment in our fight against HIV," said James Loduca, a spokesman for the San Francisco AIDS Foundation. "We know this isn't a magic bullet, and it's not going to be the right prevention strategy for everyone, but it could save thousands of lives in the United States and potentially millions around the world."

Since 2004, Truvada has been FDA-approved for treating people infected with AIDS. Once a drug is on the market, doctors are free to prescribe it for off-label, or unapproved, uses, and that's what some have been doing in giving Truvada to patients who are healthy but in danger of getting the virus from their partners or through risky sex.

Official FDA backing of the practice would allow Truvada's maker, Gilead Sciences of Foster City, Calif., to market it for prevention. Approval probably would spur many more insurance companies to pay for the drug. And widening the market for Truvada could prompt Gilead to lower the price.

An FDA decision is expected by June 15.

In one U.S. government study of more than 1,200 men and women in Botswana, Truvada lowered the HIV infection risk about 78%. Another larger study in Africa found a slightly lower rate of effectiveness, but researchers say that if used as directed, the pill can be 90% effective or higher.

An estimated 1.2 million Americans and millions more around the world have HIV. Unless the virus is treated with antiviral drugs, it can turn into full-blown AIDS. Antivirals made the disease more manageable and allowed patients to live much longer than when the epidemic began in the early 1980s.

Nevertheless, about 50,000 new infections are diagnosed in the U.S. each year, a number that has held steady for about 15 years.

Truvada represents "a pretty radical step, but I think it's a necessary step," said Dr. Lisa Sterman of San Francisco, who treats HIV patients. She prescribes the drug to infected patients and those who are healthy but at risk.

"We've come as far as we can with condom use and safe-sex strategies."

The FDA also is considering approving the first over-the-counter HIV test for use at home.

FDA reviewers said Friday that the OraQuick In-Home HIV test could play a significant role in slowing the spread of HIV, according to briefing documents posted online. But they also raised concerns about the accuracy of the test, a mouth swab that returns results in about 20 minutes.

Public health experts estimate one-fifth of the 1.2 million HIV carriers in the U.S. -- about 240,000 people -- are not aware they are infected.

http://www.freep.com/article/201205...to-prevent-HIV-infection?odyssey=mod|mostview
 
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