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Miss*Bijou

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.............and you get hundreds of thousands of deaths of Afghans from......................? Best I can find is 37,000 or so civilian and insurgent, direct and indirect.

Sorry! You're right.

I haven't looked for the exact count but this is a quote I had posted on a different thread. Your count sounds reasonable. Iraq civilian deaths was in the hundred thousand range but Afghanistan is not.

Good catch.



The decade-long War in Afghanistan (2001–present) has caused the deaths of thousands of Afghan civilians directly from insurgent and foreign military action, as well as the deaths of possibly tens of thousands of Afghan civilians indirectly as a consequence of displacement, starvation, disease, exposure, lack of medical treatment, crime and lawlessness resulting from the war. The war, launched by the United States as "Operation Enduring Freedom" in 2001, began with an initial air campaign that almost immediately prompted concerns over the number of Afghan civilians being killed as well as international protests. With civilian deaths from airstrikes rising again in recent years, the number of Afghan civilians being killed by foreign military operations has led to mounting tension between the foreign countries and the government of Afghanistan. In May 2007, President Hamid Karzai summoned foreign military commanders to warn them of the consequences of further Afghan civilian deaths.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_in_the_War_in_Afghanistan_(2001–present)

But that doesn't change my point. :) xox
 

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LOL Sorry I don't have all day for google searches and the time to post pointless videos. Fact is G caught you in a big over exaggeration and called you on it. Guess your not quite as smart as you think you are.

I'll go back to my hockey game now and let you have the last 5000 words. LOL

OMG I've been caught making a inadvertent mistake that doesn't change anything about my opinion or my post! I'm being shamed by a bottom feeder who has nothing to contribute other than infantile nahnahnahpoopooh comments and desperate attempts to ridicule me because -OMG- I'm able to string together one or two coherent and relevant thoughts - as many more as he can muster up. Oh What am I going to do?

Whatever you say, goomba. :thumb:




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OMG I've been caught making a inadvertent mistake that doesn't change anything about my opinion or my post! I'm being shamed by a bottom feeder who has nothing to contribute other than infantile nahnahnahpoopooh comments and desperate attempts to ridicule me because -OMG- I'm able to string together one or two coherent and relevant thoughts - as many more as he can muster up. Oh What am I going to do?

Whatever you say, goomba. :thumb:




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So, once again, Canadians are not Americans.


UGH. Sigh. You TOTALLY missed the point I was making. I don't know where I said that you should take responsibility for what another nation does?! I don't know how my last post can be read as having claimed anything close to that. :confused: I never said Canadians were Americans.

I'm saying A+B=C and you respond with there's no way A+B+E=G. Where are you getting all of that? I don't understand, you're not even talking about the same thing I'm saying and you're coming up with a completely different conclusion and telling me you disagree with me. I keep telling you that I agree with your statement but again try to explain that is not what I was talking about. I say I'm talking about C and you say no way, I totally disagree with what you said about E. LOL I don't know what else to tell you here. I will take responsibility and assume that I'm really not explaining my point very well and leave it at that, I guess? Because we're really not getting anywhere when we can't even seem to talk about the same thing - maybe it's getting a little futile to keep arguing when we're arguing about different things! :p


You can deny till you're blue in the face that this government does not foment hatred and hold an arrogant, outdated view when it comes to foreign policy and that the PM's comments and attitude has not been blatantly xenophobic, and especially islamophobic, or that his position doesn't sound more American than it does Canadian. The fact that most of it goes unchallenged and that more and more people voice their agreement despite the damage this redneck government is causing on the international level is not something that will be without consequences.


But I never said Canadians were Americans.




No.

I refuse to take responsibility for what another nation does. Especially when they are the self-appointed police nation of the world and use their Aircraft Carriers to bludgeon everybody else into the "American plan or else."


See, that is not even close to what I said. I am not saying we should take responsibility for what a nation does but that we should be worried and careful that our own government is going in that very direction. That the kind of language and attitudes that are at the very root of the problem we're discussing, the recent massacre and all the other incidents before it - it doesn't just come from within the military. It comes from the leaders and the kind of attitudes they incite in the population. That's where it starts.

What I am pointing out has nothing to do with being responsible or not for the Americans conduct. Let me say it again: I'm not saying Canadians are responsible for another nations actions.


I never said Canadians were Americans.


What I am saying is that while nowhere near as extreme (yet), our government is using the same kind of reasoning, speech and aligning itself with a similar ideology than the US. Same, same, same. (And when it comes to Israel, we have become shameless shills who quite literally parrot Israeli's far right and repeating the party lines. Pathetic.) Second, it would be dishonest to deny that by our passive, uncritical support and our failure to condemn, we are complicit.


As far the "American plan", that is exactly the kind of rhetoric our PM spits out. He's bringing democracy to the world. We're the "good guys" (the white hats) and we need to bring democracy and get rid of the "bad guys".

I'm in the middle of reading this paper, which I'm finding quite interesting. Some of the things I've been trying to explain and others I've just been thinking about, are very clearly articulated. Not done reading it yet but I'm posting the link just in case you're interested. :)

http://carleton-ca.academia.edu/Sim...PAST_STEPHEN_HARPERS_GEOPOLITICAL_IMAGINATION


But I never said Canadians were Americans!




Dennis Edney’s Lecture, “The Rule of Law in an Age of Terror”


“Human rights have a dysfunctional relationship with justice. The language is certainly beautiful, but it’s all dressed up with nowhere to go,” charged Dennis Edney in a scathing lecture at the Faculty of Law at UBC on September 15.

Edney worked from 2004 to 2011 on Omar Khadr’s defence against charges stemming from the July 2002 firefight death of a US soldier. Khadr, who is Canadian, was 15 at the time. American forces interrogated him for three months in the US-operated Bagram Theatre Detention Facility in Afghanistan, before transferring him to Guantanamo Bay, where he remains. In 2005, Khadr’s chief interrogator from Bagram, US Sergeant Joshua Claus, was found guilty of offences relating to the routine torture and homicide of Bagram prisoners. Claus received a five-month prison sentence. He testified at Khadr’s military trial in 2010.

In April 2009, the Federal Court ruled that Canada was complicit in the US’s torture of Khadr and ordered Ottawa to seek his repatriation. The Federal Court of Appeal concurred, but the Supreme Court ruled 9-0 that though Canada was violating Khadr’s human rights, it was not obliged to seek his repatriation.

In October 2010, after insisting on his innocence for years, Khadr pled guilty in a military trial to terrorism-related offences, in exchange for a promise from Canada to repatriate him by October 2011 to serve the rest of his prison sentence in Canada. On September 20, the Conservatives tabled the controversial omnibus Bill C-10, which adds “additional criteria” to decisions about “whether or not to allow the transfer of a Canadian offender back to Canada to serve their sentence.”

Shortly after the trial, Edney declared that Khadr “would have confessed to anything, including the killing of John F. Kennedy, just to get out of this hellhole” and that if he had refused, Khadr would have been faced with “an unfair [military] trial based on evidence that would be inadmissible in a real court.” On Thursday, Edney said the detainees are entitled “to all kinds of international protections, but our governments are not asking for them. And by not asking, we become complicit.” There are nearly 800 prisoners in Guantanamo, but only 4 have been charged and given a trial. Detainees cannot see the evidence used against them.

In his lecture, Edney denounced the Canadian government for perpetuating a culture of fear in the camp’s defence. Edney stated that “since there has always historically been terrorism, and since there will always be terrorist threats, this war on terror – if allowed to be one – is unlike any other, because it is never-ending.” Thus, last decade has been marred by “habeas corpus being abandoned, secret courts being created to hear secret evidence, guilt inferred by association, torture and rendition nakedly justified.”

“I went into Guantanamo Bay as a lawyer and I came out as a broken father,” said Edney. “I never thought that in my lifetime I would go to such an evil place and see such evil being done.” Of the infamous cages, Edney said that “people go into those cages thinking they’re having a holiday in there.” He drew attention to Camps 5, 6, and 7. The first two are “designed for enhanced interrogation tactics: torture.” He said about Camp 7 that “We are not allowed to talk about it. We have prisoners in there who came from Europe, about a year and a half ago, and they’re going to be there forever, because there’s no one there to help.”

Edney discussed the 9/11 witch hunt, in which “the US government detained hundreds, if not thousands, of people of colour on the suspicion of terrorist activity, some of them up to a year, all without charges.” He continued that “almost none of those individuals were found to have been in any way connected with terrorism. Yet many continue to be held without being formally charged with any crime or immigration violation.” In this way Guantanamo “provides powerful evidence of how America and the West are making war on terror synonymous with the war on Islam. No white Anglo-Saxon goes to Guantanamo Bay. Any American picked up for terrorism offences gets due process in a federal court system in New York.”

One audience member suggested that the camp must serve some purpose, because otherwise US President Barrack Obama would have followed through on his promise to shut it down. Edney responded that the camp primarily functions as “an important propaganda tool.” He argued the Obama administration has in fact “systematised” the culture of torture normalised under George W. Bush, for instance by disallowing victims of extraordinary rendition from suing Washington for torture suffered overseas.

Edney was also critical of “lazy” media and academics who have persisted in “slotting events into a sort of juicy clash of civilisations story,” as exemplified by mainstream media coverage of Anders Behring Breivik’s terrorist attack in Oslo. He killed 69 people in July, avowedly to protect Europe from Muslims. Edney said, “as soon as the bomb went off, media organisations began reporting on jihadist organisations.” This, he said, “fit perfectly the story we have all been telling each other since 9/11 that who else, who else could be so hateful, so crazy, so disrespectful of life but Muslims.” He pointed out that though Breivik is a white Norwegian Christian, “we don’t hold Christians or conservatives or liberals responsible for Brievek’s despicable acts.”

He said that “since September 11 2001, race, ethnicity, and religion have become proxies for suspected terrorist activity, which in turn has become a pretext for the application of Canadian immigration laws in an unequal manner towards Arabs, South Asians, Muslims and so on.” In an apparent nod to Bill C-4, the anti-refugee bill that the Conservatives tabled on Tuesday despite widespread condemnation, he noted that “we just have to listen to media descriptions coming out of Ottawa when we talk about refugees today. We call them queue jumpers and potential terrorists.”

Edney also expressed anger at the public’s willingness to be lulled into complicity. He described the transfer of the prisoners to Guantanamo “in rows in aircraft, hooded and shackled for transportation across the Atlantic” as similar to eighteenth century slave ships. He maintained that for “the watching world, no knowledge of international humanitarian conventions is needed to understand that what was being witnessed was simply unlawful.” He blamed public apathy for “allowing anti-Muslim sentiment to become part of our mainstream conversations.” He said, “I say to you we cannot tackle manifestations of intolerance, unless we learn and understand how the constant use of fear pervades our everyday life, and how that fear is being used to influence how you and I think and how you and I act. It’s that same manipulation of fear that has allowed military escapades into countries beyond those who bombed the twin towers. It is that same message that has been exploited by participating countries to reduce civil liberties and infringe upon human rights by allowing such places as Guantanamo Bay to exist.”

The need for action had been a prevailing theme throughout the lecture. Edney returned to it at his lecture’s close: “Not only does it [Guantanamo] continue to exist, they continue building it. Guantanamo is going to be there for a long, long time, unless you do something. Unless you really do something about it.” He concluded that “the only crime equal to wilful inhumanity is the crime of indifference, the crime of silence, the crime of forgetting.”

In that vein, we cannot afford to forget that Guantanamo Bay’s precedents in the West include Canada’s own internment camps, built in BC expressly to detain Japanese-Canadians during WWII. Similarly, Bill C-4’s predecessors include the Chinese head-tax policy.

http://lawiscool.com/2011/09/23/edn...ed&utm_campaign=Feed:+LawIsCool+(Law+is+Cool)


If you want to watch the lecture: http://youtu.be/ceutm-m8_y8





Islamophobia After 9/11

Negative stereotyping of Muslims or “Islamophobia” in Canada arguably became increasingly evident following the Iranian Revolution in 1979 and more recently following the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon in the United States in 2001.

A number of studies from Islamic community organizations have charted this discrimination. From 2000-2004, the Canadian Islamic Congress conducted Media Research Reports examining anti-Islamic content in the country’s eight largest daily newspapers, noting the widespread use of terms like “Muslim extremist” and “Islamic militant” in reporting on conflicts in Muslim-majority countries.33 In 2002, the Canadian Council of Muslim Women sponsored a participatory research project investigating the effects of 11 September 2001 for Canadian Muslim women. Fourteen focus groups across the country revealed a sense of horror at the terrorist attacks as well as distress about unfair negative stereotyping of Muslims and difficulties in travel.34

In 2004, the Canadian Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR CAN) published its own report, “Presumption of Guilt: A National Survey on Security Visitations of Canadian Muslims” which concluded that 8% of their 467 respondents were questioned by security officials following 11 September 2001 with hard copies of surveys randomly distributed in mosques, Islamic centres and Muslim community events across the country; electronic forms were also available. The writers of the report suggest the 8% figure may be underreported as 43% of their respondents knew of at least one other Canadian Muslim who had been questioned by the RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police), CSIS (Canadian Security Intelligence Service) or the local police. A disproportionately high number of those who reported questioning were of Arab ethnicity and male. Their study “Canadian Muslims One Year After 9-11” similarly revealed that 56% of their respondents experienced anti-Muslim “incidents” on at least one occasion since 9/11.35

This kind of racial profiling has also come into question in the province of Quebec with the death of 25 year-old, Moroccan-born Mohamed-Anas Bennis, shot by a Montreal police officer after allegedly leaving his neighbourhood mosque in the early morning of 1 December 2005. The Montreal Police have claimed Bennis was carrying a kitchen knife and shot him in self-defence. In January 2006 4500 people participated in a demonstration calling for a public inquiry into Bennis’ death.36 The official report on his death to the Quebecois Ministry of Public Security has not yet been released.37

A more recent opinion study by the Environics Research group in 2007 revealed a disparity between the 57% of non-Muslim Canadians who felt that Muslims wanted to remain distinct from other Canadians, and the only 23% of Canadian Muslims who felt that way. The survey also revealed that compared to Muslims in the U.K., Germany, France and Spain who were polled on similar issues by the Pew Research Center, Canadian Muslims appear relatively more contented and moderate. The study also found that 86% of Canadian Muslims feel that banning the headscarf in public places including schools is inappropriate in multicultural Canada.38
 

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If you watched the news coverage of Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper's meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu, Harper said that he didn't support the Israeli plan to per-emptively bomb Iran. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/03/02/pol-netanyahu-visit.html

Unlike the Americans, Canada does not "have Israel's back" if they per-emptively bomb Iran.

So, once again, Canadians are not Americans.


Guess what? I never said Canadians were Americans. :p :p

Thanks but I did read the coverage but I don't solely read the news solely from the MSM so I don't have to read the same report on each and every news website with some small variation. The fact that Canada doesn't have Israel's back like the Americans changes nothing on the message or the meaning behind Canada's unwise, uncritical and non-sensical position when it comes to Israel.

I clearly said that Harper had toned down his language by the time Bibi arrived. Of course, he had no choice because that's what the US' position is. But a few weeks before he met with Bibi, he sounded very different and that it was I was writing. Just because you missed it, doesn't mean I'm just imagining things, you know. ;) If there was any chance the US was going along, you can bet Harper would be following like a lost puppy. The fact that we obviously can't provide the back up like the US could, is the only reason he toned it down. But it's clear from his earlier comments that he would be on a war mongering mission if there was ANY inkling that the US was thinking of assisting Israel on a attack on Iran.


So, I never said Canadians were Americans.




Iran is the convenient next common enemy that conservatives always seem to need. Having run out of communism, terrorism, Islamism, Saddam and Bin Laden, they've now fastened on Iran. In the endlessly repeated sound bite of Canada's foreign affairs minister, John Baird, "We believe Iran constitutes the greatest threat to peace and security in the world." It's a spin line, not a serious analysis.

The implications of Mr. Baird's assertion are spelled out across the border by the Republican presidential candidates. We can be confident that whoever wins the nomination will spend the rest of the campaign pushing the president toward a direct preemptive attack on Iran which he knows is madness.

Which is why Canada has a remarkable opportunity to introduce sanity into this debate and help President Obama find some sensible allies. But sanity and sense, tragically, are not part of the Harper government's Mideast vocabulary.

As Stephen Harper recently told Peter Mansbridge, "In my judgment, these are people who have a particular, you know, a fanatically religious worldview, and their statements imply to me no hesitation about using nuclear weapons if they see them achieving their religious or political purposes. And ... I think that's what makes this regime in Iran particularly dangerous."

Every aspect of Mr. Harper's position is flawed.

The proposition that Iran is "particularly dangerous," the greatest threat to world peace and security, flies in the face of reality. To claim Iran is more dangerous than Pakistan requires a complete suspension of thought. To insist that Iran must not get nuclear weapons, which it does not have, while volatile and aggressive Pakistan can keep theirs, beggars understanding.

The proposition that the world does not have to demand de-nuclearization by Russia, China, North Korea -- North Korea, for heaven's sakes! -- India, Israel, Britain, France and the U.S., but demands it from Iran, is beyond comprehension. Imagine your reaction if you were an Iranian, even an anti-government Iranian.

The proposition that Iran's leaders would not hesitate to use nuclear weapons flies in the face of 33 years of evidence since their revolution. Reprehensible as they are, they have never attacked another country.

The proposition that Iran is more dangerous than Israel, which has repeatedly invaded its neighbours and sends saboteurs and death squads around the world to get its enemies, simply ignores reality.

The proposition that Iran is more dangerous than the U.S., which has spent the entire last decade in aggressive wars against Muslim nations, where pressure to add Iran to this list is growing, where a Democratic president sends drones against anyone he deems unsuitable for living and is now openly provoking China with a new aggressive Asia Pacific posture -- to ignore this record demands wilful blindness.

Mr. Baird is now off to Israel. Our neophyte Foreign Minister, with all the wisdom offered by spin notes and sound bites -- otherwise known as the Harper foreign policy -- is about to be swallowed whole by Mr. Netanyahu. Just think of the tales he'll share privately with Mr. Baird, proving irrevocably that Iran must be bombed this very day, if not sooner.

Unlike their minister and his boss, Canadian Foreign Affairs officials know how dangerous all this is. They know that nothing is better calculated to rally the Iranian people behind their oppressive government than terrorist attacks from outside. They know that Iran will inevitably retaliate, with Israel an obvious target. They know that unceasing threats and sabotage undermine any possibility of eventual negotiations, which is now happening in Afghanistan. They know it will only accelerate Iranian determination to proceed with its nuclear system.

This column began with a list of unfamiliar people. You can be sure they're not unfamiliar to Mr. Baird's public servants. They're among Israel's intelligence and military establishment who publicly reject Mr. Netanyahu's insistence that Iran is an "existential threat" to Israel -- the real meaning of calling it the most dangerous country in the world.

This is an extraordinary development: public dissent from the director of the Mossad (Tamir Pardo), the retired director (Meir Dagan), the former head of the Israeli military Intelligence Directorate (Amos Yadlin), the former chief of staff of the Israeli Defense Forces (Gabi Ashkenazi), and the former head of Shin Bet (Yuval Diskin). Anyone who reads Israeli newspapers knows about it. Former Mossad director Meir Dagan openly calls an attack on Iran "the stupidest idea I've ever heard." Is John Baird meeting with him this weekend to learn why? Don't bet on it.

Like the Republican candidates, Stephen Harper and John Baird are hell-bent on a policy that will achieve the exact opposite of its intentions. And like the neo-cons before Iraq, they will pillory anyone who tells them the truth. Remember Taliban Jack?

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The prime minister has been fear mongering about Iran for some time, repeatedly calling Iran the greatest threat to world peace. Harper one-upped himself in this latest conversation with Mansbridge, asserting that he knew "beyond any doubt" that Iran was working to develop nuclear weapons. Not only that, but Harper stated that he is "absolutely convinced" that Iran "would have no hesitation about using nuclear weapons."

This last comment is extraordinary; Harper is in effect claiming to know for a fact that the regime in Tehran is suicidal. Israel already has an arsenal of nuclear weapons -- a fact everyone knows but which the government in Tel Aviv has never formally admitted. (Israel, unlike Iran, is not a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.)
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While expressing preference for a peaceful resolution -- a step down from Canadian pro-war comments in the weeks prior, Harper ultimately gave Israel Canada's public approval for a strike. "We, of course, recognize the right of Israel to defend itself as a sovereign state, as a Jewish state," Harper said after expressing his hope that Israeli demands (which include Iran ending all domestic uranium enrichment) are achieved through sanctions.

"Certainly when push comes to shove and the Israelis decide to do something unilaterally, you won't find Canada criticizing it," said Rex Brynen, a long-time Middle East analyst for the Canadian government and Political Science professor at McGill University. "You will almost certainly find, I suspect, Canada making statements that are effectively supportive of it," he added over the phone from Montreal.

Canada has traditionally exercised a foreign policy that has been in line with the U.S. and when there were differences, like Vietnam and Iraq, Canada attempted to temper the impact of U.S. military interventionism. Yet, since 2006 when Harper came to power and Israel went to war in Lebanon, Canada's foreign policy has echoed the Israeli perspective louder than any other G8 country.

Despite being America's largest trading partner and oil provider, Canada's foreign policy perspectives on the Middle East carry little weight in Washington. However, Canada (a NATO member) does sit at a lot of international tables that Israel doesn't and since Harper's rise to power in 2006, Canada hasn't been shy about pushing Israeli demands, even over U.S. ones.

An emphatic supporter of Israel's 2008-2009 war on Gaza, Canada has worked at the UN and international bodies it sits on to strengthen Israeli positions on the Middle East and provide cover for its continued repression and occupation of Palestinians.

Most notably this was seen during the 2011 G8 summit where Canada nixed any reference to the 1967 borderlines for a Palestinian state in a call for the resumption of Israeli/Palestinian negotiations. "That is probably the most significant thing we have done because it would have been unthinkable for Canada to torpedo a U.S. diplomatic initiative on the Middle East in the past," said Brynen who also specializes in peace-building and has consulted for the UN. "On Israel-Palestine, clearly this [Canadian] government shares the views of the Netanyahu government on dynamics and what the problem is," he adds, referencing Israel's perception of Iran and denial of the impact of its treatment of Palestinians.

Brynen describes Canada's Middle East policy of bolstering Israeli aggression as lining up with the candidates in the Republican primary, although less rhetorical. As a result of this polite Tea Party, the Canadian capital has become a platform for Netanyahu to solidify a Western discourse for war with Iran that intends to fire up AIPAC and the Republican primaries while keeping Palestinians off the agenda.

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I didn't just decide to make it up for the hell of it... Nor did I ever say Canadians are Americans either.





Harper's rhetoric fuels hysteria, Iranian dissident says



A leading Iranian dissident says the Harper government's tough talk on Iran's nuclear ambitions is fuelling hysteria and boosting the likelihood of an armed conflict.

Trita Parsi, president of the National Iranian American Council, warned Tuesday that the vilification of Iran's leaders increases the likelihood of a war between Iran and Israel or its allies, including the United States.


Mr. Parsi said recent remarks by Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird amount to repeating talking points by the Israeli government or parroting the rhetoric of candidates in the U.S. Republican primaries.

Mr. Parsi is the second international observer within a week to take Canada's government to task for the nature of its anti-Iran posture. Last week, a former Clinton adviser and the head of Middle East policy for the International Crisis Group made the same point in an interview with The Canadian Press.

Mr. Harper has called Iran the greatest threat to world peace and predicted it would not hesitate to use nuclear weapons, while Mr. Baird has compared the Tehran regime to Nazi Germany.

Mr. Parsi noted the Obama administration has purposely tried to dial down inflammatory rhetoric in order to find a diplomatic solution to Iran's nuclear standoff with the West.

He also blamed Iran's mullahs for ratcheting up tensions through their own use of inflammatory language, but he said that doesn't mean Canada should abandon its traditional role as a pragmatic, moderate voice on the world stage.

“Canada is coming across as a little bit of an outlier, echoing some of the talking points of the Likud government in Israel right now,” said Mr. Parsi after a speech at the University of Ottawa's Centre for International Policy Studies.

“Bringing the issue to a level of hysteria does not make it easier to resolve. All it does is increase the likelihood that the only remaining options are confrontational ones. And I don't think that is to the benefit of anyone including the Israelis or the Canadians.”

Mr. Parsi interviewed diplomats from the U.S. and Israel, among others, for his new book, ‘A Single Roll of the Dice,' on Barack Obama's efforts to engage Iran diplomatically.

“The Iranians are not helping the situation in any shape or form. That is their contribution to the hysterical discourse,” said Mr. Parsi.

“But to divine from that there would be an intent to use nuclear weapons, sounds to me more an exercise in faith than exercise in political science,” said Mr. Parsi. “And in fact when talking to Israeli officials, they make it quite clear their real fear is not that the Iranians would use it, it's because of all the other consequences.”

A nuclear-armed Iran would be much more confident and aggressive and would limit Israel's manoeuvrability, particularly when it comes to intervening militarily in Lebanon or the Palestinian territories, he said.

“The arguments that are being presented are that the Iranian government is suicidal. You can say a lot of things about the Iranian government, particularly its human rights record, but to say that it's suicidal begs the question: why have they, in the last 33 years, passed on the opportunity to commit suicide?

“On the contrary, you have a government that is dead-set on survival.”

Roland Paris, the head of the University of Ottawa's foreign policy school, hosted Mr. Parsi on Tuesday. He questioned whether Mr. Harper is laying the ground work for preparing the Canadian public for taking part in an eventual military conflict with Iran.

“The question is: why at a moment when our closest ally, the United States, is counselling restraint and trying to use measured language about Iran, is the government of Canada using tendentious language and speculating about nightmare visions?” Mr. Paris said.

“It raises a red flag. It's highlighting a scenario where Iran would preemptively use nuclear weapons in an attack. If Iran is indeed suicidal, then it creates a possible need to militarily intervene to prevent Iran from acquiring that capability.”

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/p...dissident-says/article2338220/?service=mobile



Instead of kissing American Asses to get Canadian goods to market, Prime Minister Harper is engaged in actively courting the Chinese as customers for Canadian Oil, Canadian Lumber, Canadian Beef and whatever else the Chinese are willing to buy.

Well, look at that. Our Canadian morals, our values that represent what's right, cherish democracy and human rights.... Poof! I guess money trumps all. And that, my friend, is what you call hypocrisy at its finest. Democracy, my arse.:rolleyes: As long as they're not Arab and there's money to be made - our righteous, morally superior PM throws all that nice talk out the window.


And speaking of kissing ass, Harper's probably just too busy kissing other asses. I'm sure he'll get back to kissing American soon enough.



Netanyahu asked Canada PM to thwart G8 support for 1967 borders
G8 statement would have supported Obama's policy that Israeli-Palestinian talks should be based on 1967 lines with land swaps.

At the request of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper thwarted an announcement Friday by the G-8 countries that would have supported U.S. President Barack Obama's statement that talks between the Palestinians and Israel should be based on the 1967 borders with exchanges of territory.

Tuesday, after Netanyahu's speech to Congress, he telephoned Harper, who heads a rightist government under whose leadership Canada has become one of Israel's greatest allies.

The senior government official said Netanyahu told Harper that mentioning the issue of the 1967 borders in the statement, without mentioning the other issues, such as Israel as a Jewish state or opposition to the return of Palestinian refugees to Israel, will be detrimental to Israeli interests and a reward to the Palestinians.

"The prime minister is in constant contact with various leaders in moving ahead the diplomatic process," Netanyahu's bureau said.

Since a decision on the statement requires consensus, Canada's efforts led to a release of the statement without reference to the 1967 borders.

Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman spoke over the weekend with Canada's foreign minister, John Baird, and thanked him for Canada's position during the G-8 deliberations. "Canada is a true friend of Israel and with a realistic and proper view of things.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-editio...o-thwart-g8-support-for-1967-borders-1.364635




So.... for the last time, I never said Canadians were Americans.







TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:

I would have included links in my first post or added more details but since it seems to provoke all kinds of whining for some unknown reason, so I didn't bother. This is why I include links, people! I don't have to write as much because someone can just refer to the link if they want to know what I'm talking about.

And if they don't, they can just skip it. It's not really that complicated. I can't win, no matter what I do, someone has to whine about it. The videos are stupid, it's too long, too many links. wah wah wah! Just put me on ignore FFS and leave me alone. Don't read it, don't follow the links, don't watch the videos, I DON'T CARE if you do or don't so STOP WHINING already!

Thank you for putting me on ignore if you need to.






OMG That felt good. LOL
 

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G'dammit Bijou can you at least make all your text one color I'm too hung over for reading rainbow this morning.

Al weren't you the one who called us all barbarians (hence responsible) for the actions of a few douchebags on a cruise ship? Can't have it both ways.
 

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