I hate people that bring up one playoff run...and if the player...players well, they are great the rest of their career. Let's face it, Linden was shit the last 12 fucking years of his career...the guy sucks overall...
WTF? Canucks traded Cody Hodgson???
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They gambled on Bitz and that's probably a dead loss.
Kassian is a roll of the dice, too, nothing more.
If they were worried about Hodgson's back why keep Salo?
How long will Kesler last? Those rebuilt hips will give out sooner than later.
Hodgson has progressed every year. Mason Raymond has regressed.
The Canucks have been blessed this year with no long-term injuries to major guys and a season-ending home stand. This year they are getting every lucky bounce and breaks like the icing call in Detroit that cost the Wings a longer win streak. The league is doing everything to help them, this year and still fans complain about calls against them.
Kassian is a roll of the dice, too, nothing more.
If they were worried about Hodgson's back why keep Salo?
How long will Kesler last? Those rebuilt hips will give out sooner than later.
Hodgson has progressed every year. Mason Raymond has regressed.
The Canucks have been blessed this year with no long-term injuries to major guys and a season-ending home stand. This year they are getting every lucky bounce and breaks like the icing call in Detroit that cost the Wings a longer win streak. The league is doing everything to help them, this year and still fans complain about calls against them.
Its funny you know, outwardly he appeared to be shocked by the trade. Sounds to me that either he or his father were pushing for a trade because he wanted at least 17 minutes a night not 12. Pretty hard to justify when you have Sedin, Kesler and Malholtra ahead of you on the depth chart.
Cody will get a lot better now since Buffalo can afford to give him that amount of ice time. That is why I made the Neely reference. Neely wasn't on the top two lines in his limited number of days here in Vancouver. He was third and fourth line at the time. In Boston he progressed and became one of their top players. Time will tell on this trade.
Upside is his family can see him play every home game in Buffalo now. Seats a plenty in that building and its just a couple of hours away from TO.
I don't know dude,479 points for the rest of his career after the cup runs pretty good
Ha ha ha ha, that just means Montreal was dumb enough to pay Linden 15 million over 4 years(sorry Wilde)? but my initial point concerning Linden was that Hodgson was a poor mans Linden.
pardners, i remember one game in the cup run last year when daniel was knocked down on the ice from behind, then the guy who knocked him down continued to crosscheck him repeatedly across the back and shoulders and neck as he tried to crawl away. nobody came to his rescue, nobody took the guy out later who knocked him down, nothing. if this kassian is all he's cracked up to be, then we will finally see some protection for our top line players
he was pretty cool in phoenix, but they say he's downright mean in a fight - i say bring it
he was pretty cool in phoenix, but they say he's downright mean in a fight - i say bring it
I think Gillis needed to address the need for size and grit..
Unfortunately Canucks didn't put Dallas away and now they're in playoff spot contention, they play the Canucks 3 more times in the home stretch and possibly the first round of the playoffs. Dallas doesn't want to trade Steve Ott to the Canucks.. or anyone really.
Jeff Carter moves to LA, the next fuckin' day Dustin Brown scores 4 points. He's not going anywhere either.
Doesn't leave the Canucks many options left..
Nashville got bigger, and San Jose got a little deeper on their back end.
You have to think that this trade for Kassian was slightly reactionary.
Gillis tried outscoring teams last year, nearly worked. He's learned a lesson and tried to address it now.
The Canucks will get someone good for Cory Schneider to make up for the loss of Hodgson, I'm sure of it.
This was a good trade for the short term IMO.
Unfortunately Canucks didn't put Dallas away and now they're in playoff spot contention, they play the Canucks 3 more times in the home stretch and possibly the first round of the playoffs. Dallas doesn't want to trade Steve Ott to the Canucks.. or anyone really.
Jeff Carter moves to LA, the next fuckin' day Dustin Brown scores 4 points. He's not going anywhere either.
Doesn't leave the Canucks many options left..
Nashville got bigger, and San Jose got a little deeper on their back end.
You have to think that this trade for Kassian was slightly reactionary.
Gillis tried outscoring teams last year, nearly worked. He's learned a lesson and tried to address it now.
The Canucks will get someone good for Cory Schneider to make up for the loss of Hodgson, I'm sure of it.
This was a good trade for the short term IMO.
Tony Gallagher's column this morning
http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Trading+Neely+began/6232304/story.html
When two young stars like Zack Kassian and Cody Hodgson are exchanged as they were Monday, talk radio hosts are delighted because it causes fuel for banter for at least a week, sometimes longer.
But it goes on much, much longer than that in reality. How long if you really examine all the details? Well, if you're a Vancouver hockey fan you shouldn't ask, because the answer to that question is simple: The Cam Neely trade more than helped the Boston Bruins punt the Canucks' posterior in last year's final.
Before you think the writer has gone further off the deep end than usual, be patient and listen to this trail of woe as it unfolds over the 25-plus years it's taken. You may have heard this before, but it came as news to me when Andrew Marchrones responded to a discussion Barry Macdonald and your agent were having on the TEAM 1040 on Tuesday.
As everyone knows, Cam Neely was dealt in June 1986 by the Canucks, along with their first-round pick in 1987, to Boston for Barry Pederson. The reasons for the trade are extensive and convoluted, but that's the deal as it stood.
As everyone knows, Neely's career ended prematurely, far too soon for such a great player, and he wasn't the problem. But Glen Wesley, ah, there's the rub. He was that '87 Boston draft pick and he played seven seasons with the Bruins before being traded to Hartford in '94 for an amazing three first-round picks. Can you imagine even for one moment a deal like that today? Unthinkable. But we digress.
The '96 pick was Johnathan Aitken which went virtually nowhere with respect to this discussion. But the other two eventually took a sizable chunk out of the Canucks' Cup hopes after all these years.
The '95 pick, Kyle McLaren, played seven years in Boston before being traded to San Jose for Jeff Jillson. Jillson was traded straight up to San Jose for Brad Boyes. Boyes was then traded by Boston to St. Louis straight up for Dennis Wideman, and Wideman became the major piece (along with a first and a third rounder) in the June 2010 deal with Florida that landed the Bruins Nathan Horton and NHL MVP Greg Campbell.
As you may recall, Horton's concussion not only got Aaron Rome out of the Vancouver lineup, but Horton may or may not have provided a rallying cry for the team in that final series, although why players would need more motivation in a Cup final is and has always been a total mystery here.
That one hurts, but nothing like the trail of Sergei Samsonov, the '97 first rounder the Whalers (by then Hurricanes) had given Boston in the Wesley deal.
Samsonov played seven seasons in Boston before being traded in '06 to the Oilers for Marty Reasoner, Yan Stastny and a second-round pick. And you guessed it. It's always that draft pick. Reasoner was eventually moved and it involved picks that went nowhere, as was Stastny, but if you haven't guessed who that second rounder is by now, we may as well confess it was Vancouver's own Milan Lucic.
Didn't he have something to do with the absence of Dan Hamhuis in the final after the Vancouver defenceman tried to check him in Game 1? There you have it. Not only did the Canucks lose a B.C. kid in the Neely deal, but another one eventually comes back in a Boston uniform as a descendant from that deal 25 years later almost to the day and hoists the Stanley Cup on Vancouver ice.
And the nightmare clearly isn't over. You know the Bruins will eventually trade Lucic for a first or second rounder somewhere or some other good young player that comes back to haunt over and over again. The only way this ends is if Lucic finishes his career in a Boston uniform and even though that looks like a possibility now, the odds are against it.
Blame Jack Gordon, who was GM at the time, but he would no sooner have presumed to make that trade than leap off the Pacific Coliseum room. If you must, blame former Canucks owner Frank Griffiths Sr., who actually made the Neely deal happen with his insistence the team sign Pederson as a free agent requiring compensation. But it changes nothing.
And people wonder why Vancouver fans sometimes seem a tad negative. You get the feeling discussion of this Hodgson-Kassian et al deal just might last a little longer than a week or two.
Read more: http://www.theprovince.com/news/Trading+Neely+began/6232304/story.html#ixzz1ntB1Lwoe
http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Trading+Neely+began/6232304/story.html
When two young stars like Zack Kassian and Cody Hodgson are exchanged as they were Monday, talk radio hosts are delighted because it causes fuel for banter for at least a week, sometimes longer.
But it goes on much, much longer than that in reality. How long if you really examine all the details? Well, if you're a Vancouver hockey fan you shouldn't ask, because the answer to that question is simple: The Cam Neely trade more than helped the Boston Bruins punt the Canucks' posterior in last year's final.
Before you think the writer has gone further off the deep end than usual, be patient and listen to this trail of woe as it unfolds over the 25-plus years it's taken. You may have heard this before, but it came as news to me when Andrew Marchrones responded to a discussion Barry Macdonald and your agent were having on the TEAM 1040 on Tuesday.
As everyone knows, Cam Neely was dealt in June 1986 by the Canucks, along with their first-round pick in 1987, to Boston for Barry Pederson. The reasons for the trade are extensive and convoluted, but that's the deal as it stood.
As everyone knows, Neely's career ended prematurely, far too soon for such a great player, and he wasn't the problem. But Glen Wesley, ah, there's the rub. He was that '87 Boston draft pick and he played seven seasons with the Bruins before being traded to Hartford in '94 for an amazing three first-round picks. Can you imagine even for one moment a deal like that today? Unthinkable. But we digress.
The '96 pick was Johnathan Aitken which went virtually nowhere with respect to this discussion. But the other two eventually took a sizable chunk out of the Canucks' Cup hopes after all these years.
The '95 pick, Kyle McLaren, played seven years in Boston before being traded to San Jose for Jeff Jillson. Jillson was traded straight up to San Jose for Brad Boyes. Boyes was then traded by Boston to St. Louis straight up for Dennis Wideman, and Wideman became the major piece (along with a first and a third rounder) in the June 2010 deal with Florida that landed the Bruins Nathan Horton and NHL MVP Greg Campbell.
As you may recall, Horton's concussion not only got Aaron Rome out of the Vancouver lineup, but Horton may or may not have provided a rallying cry for the team in that final series, although why players would need more motivation in a Cup final is and has always been a total mystery here.
That one hurts, but nothing like the trail of Sergei Samsonov, the '97 first rounder the Whalers (by then Hurricanes) had given Boston in the Wesley deal.
Samsonov played seven seasons in Boston before being traded in '06 to the Oilers for Marty Reasoner, Yan Stastny and a second-round pick. And you guessed it. It's always that draft pick. Reasoner was eventually moved and it involved picks that went nowhere, as was Stastny, but if you haven't guessed who that second rounder is by now, we may as well confess it was Vancouver's own Milan Lucic.
Didn't he have something to do with the absence of Dan Hamhuis in the final after the Vancouver defenceman tried to check him in Game 1? There you have it. Not only did the Canucks lose a B.C. kid in the Neely deal, but another one eventually comes back in a Boston uniform as a descendant from that deal 25 years later almost to the day and hoists the Stanley Cup on Vancouver ice.
And the nightmare clearly isn't over. You know the Bruins will eventually trade Lucic for a first or second rounder somewhere or some other good young player that comes back to haunt over and over again. The only way this ends is if Lucic finishes his career in a Boston uniform and even though that looks like a possibility now, the odds are against it.
Blame Jack Gordon, who was GM at the time, but he would no sooner have presumed to make that trade than leap off the Pacific Coliseum room. If you must, blame former Canucks owner Frank Griffiths Sr., who actually made the Neely deal happen with his insistence the team sign Pederson as a free agent requiring compensation. But it changes nothing.
And people wonder why Vancouver fans sometimes seem a tad negative. You get the feeling discussion of this Hodgson-Kassian et al deal just might last a little longer than a week or two.
Read more: http://www.theprovince.com/news/Trading+Neely+began/6232304/story.html#ixzz1ntB1Lwoe
BINGO!!!! Actually, listening to the play by play guy in Buffalo comment on the trade...made me feel this way...So you don't know them, thus your statement must be true
Plus, don't forget the smartest hockey man to ever grace the NHL, Mr. Brian Burke *cough*...yes MR. Harvard Law!!! Says, "whoever gets the best player in a hockey trade, wins the trade long-term 90% of the time..if not more"...
Over 25 years later, and Canucks fans and media still haven't gotten over the Cam Neely trade.Tony Gallagher's column this morning
http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Trading+Neely+began/6232304/story.html
Every team has let a good prospect slip away in a bad trade...see Oilers and Adam Graves, Flames and Brett Hull, Habs and John LeClair, etc.
i guess the big question is, 'would the so-called good prospects have done as well for the team that originally traded them?' i don't think that's necessarily a given
In Feb/Mar/88 when Calgary traded Hull&somebody,forget who,to St.Louis,Cliff Fletcher said he knes he
was trading away a future goal-scorer,but he needed a defenceman&backup goalie,i.e.Rob Ramage&Rick Walmsley.
the following yr,88-89,Walmsley was adequate,able to give Mike Vernon some rest,
while Ramage was a solid D-man.
In 1st round,vs.Vancouver,Bridgeman broke Gary Suter's jaw,ending his season,
and removing 1 of the Flames PP point-men(Al McInnis was the other)Ramage
stepped up,filled in for Suter on the PP,as well as taking extra minutes.
Without Ramage filling that hole,Calgary doesn't get near the Cup,IMO.
So,while St.Loo got a gunner who filled the net for yrs,they never reached the SC finals.
Calgary got their only Cup....tho' some might argue that with their roster from approx
1986-1994,they s/ve achieved more.
Not my intent to hijack this thread but Wolverine's observation brought back memories
Remember the elimination game in overtime.Otto kicked the puck in the net, back when you weren't allowed to use your feet to score goals.Tainted cup for Flames. Glad Lanny finally won a cup though.
Why did Gallagher call Campbell "NHL MVP"?Tony Gallagher's column this morning
http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Trading+Neely+began/6232304/story.html
and NHL MVP Greg Campbell.
Read more: http://www.theprovince.com/news/Trading+Neely+began/6232304/story.html#ixzz1ntB1Lwoe
Yeah that is a pretty funny line.
greg campbell is the son of former lord of officials and discipline, colin campbell.
greg's team, the bruins, have received many favorable 'calls' by this dept.
eg. game 7 last yr vs tampa there were no penalties called. hadn't happened in many, many years but it did in a game where the bruins had a pathetic pp and tampa had a good one. Bruins won of course.
eg. aaron rome hits horton late and concusses him. Rome is gone for the playoffs when the previous record for most games suspended was 2, I think.
eg. the refs put away their whistles when it mattered during the finals. Convenient for a physical, dirty team like the bruins when playing a euro, finesse team like the canucks
There are more examples but you get the point.
