Are the Muslims taking over the world? Your thoughts.....

[cruiser]

I was recently out for supper with some friends. These people are in business and come in contact with people from different walks of life. In saying that, the subject of different cultures/religions that have come into Canada recently came up...and one of the main cultures named was Muslims.

My friends mentioned that they've heard from others that the Muslim culture is looking to take over the world. Sounds extreme so I did some searching and came up with the following links:

The future belongs to Islam:
http://www.macleans.ca/culture/books/article.jsp?content=20061023_134898_134898

Another link that came up was:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_kKkY5EpVpY

- Interesting video and a MUST SEE for those of us that doubt this topic.

They mention a number of European countries where the birth rate of their own people is low but the population isn't declining because of the number of Muslims that are being born.

Something to consider......

Cruiser

 

[Caramel]

I'm Muslim (born into, don't follow it or believe in any religion, I'm actually atheist, but respect the culture and other's beliefs)...You don't have to worry because most Muslim people are like mainstream Christians or secular people, they're respectful of boundaries and the extremist countries in the Middle East are totally cut off from Western society. Unless they throw a nuclear bomb on every Western/non Islamic government on earth, it should be fine :nod:

I'm actually more concerned that billions of humans around the world that are living through the space age still accept the new testament as the literal message from the creator of our universe :doh:

 

[jesuschrist]

Yes, we certainly have a problem. To start with, our criminal code will be replaced with Shariah Law. There will be 5 breaks at work every day and everyone, Muslim or not, will be forced to take that break and face Mecca, and there will be mass prayers. Every morning a big bell will ring in every town and there will be a call to prayer sung over every loudspeaker. There will be beheadings and stonings of criminals. Women will be forced to wear black robes and not be allowed to drive. They will be raped every day. Christian churches will be shut down forever. Toilet paper will be disallowed and you will wipe your ass with your left hand. You will be turned into a dirty Muslim, have to wear a turban, or face death as an Infidel.

These are the End Times spoken about in the New Testament. Turn to Jesus now or burn in hellfire!!!!

 

[Bartdude]

Yes, we certainly have a problem. To start with, our criminal code will be replaced with Shariah Law. There will be 5 breaks at work every day and everyone, Muslim or not, will be forced to take that break and face Mecca, and there will be mass prayers. Every morning a big bell will ring in every town and there will be a call to prayer sung over every loudspeaker. There will be beheadings and stonings of criminals. Women will be forced to wear black robes and not be allowed to drive. They will be raped every day. Christian churches will be shut down forever. Toilet paper will be disallowed and you will wipe your ass with your left hand. You will be turned into a dirty Muslim, have to wear a turban, or face death as an Infidel.

These are the End Times spoken about in the New Testament. Turn to Jesus now or burn in hellfire!!!!

HA HA HA HA

 

[wilde]

I think the 2.5 billion or so Chinese and Indian people will have something to say about that...:eyebrows:

 

[jesuschrist]

As long as I have a few beers in my hands, it is all good!!!

Sure, and though your hands will be holding beers, they won't be attached to your body because of Shariah Law!!! Alcohol is not allowed according to the Koran!!! Get with the system buddy or you're toast!!!!

 

[luvsdaty]

WTF is every perbite finding religion lately.There isn't enough fuck on this planet for me to give any about religion.Muslims, Jews , Christians,it's all about control.Crusades,assimilation none of it ever worked. I don't know i just don't get the whole my god is better than your god spiel.

 

[Caramel]

I am Soooo sure that if we do get into space, we will find it is sooo not about how to survive 2500 years ago

we are already in space...hence the "space age" what time are you still stuck in?

 

[InTheBum]

The biggest threat to the planet is over-population...the world is being raped by humans and man is simply a virus on this beautiful planet. The world can't handle much more than 1 billion people sucking up it's resources...7 billion + and counting is insane!!!

 

[doctorkoma]

I agree,
The news spreads fear all the time, but the statistics would say that you should worry more about injuring yourself than someone injuring you.
911 was still just a blip in history and should have no bearing on how you view the world

 

[Caramel]

The biggest threat to the planet is over-population...the world is being raped by humans and man is simply a virus on this beautiful planet. The world can't handle much more than 1 billion people sucking up it's resources...7 billion + and counting is insane!!!

:clap2: :clap2:

 

[Flanders]

Yup. And this begs the question: Do you see yourself in the 1B sustainable population, or in the 6B "excess"? It's easy to agree there is a problem, it's a lot harder to admit that individually, we are equal contributors to the problem. It's not "religeon", or "governments", or "others". It's us.

The biggest threat to the planet is over-population...the world is being raped by humans and man is simply a virus on this beautiful planet. The world can't handle much more than 1 billion people sucking up it's resources...7 billion + and counting is insane!!!

 

[Mod-2]

I have removed a couple of posts that cross the line. Please keep it civil or I will be forced to become more involved.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

Another link that came up was:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_kKkY5EpVpY

- Interesting video and a MUST SEE for those of us that doubt this topic.

They mention a number of European countries where the birth rate of their own people is low but the population isn't declining because of the number of Muslims that are being born.

Something to consider......

Cruiser

Good God, are you kidding me? Is this serious??? Talk about fear mongering. I stopped watching after 3 minutes.

First of all, have you seen that lady's (who posted it on youtube) video list? A whole whackload of Glen Beck and other similar nonsense. And this video is just in line with this. I mean, really, that should say it all.


So what is the message of this video?
That we should all be very, very scared now because OMG the big bad muslims (though most people no doubt mean Arab muslims specifically when they are in propaganda/xenophobia/panic mode) are going to invade and annihilate us, OMG!

And what/who is "us"?
White folks? Christian folks? Catholic? Jews? Canadians? North Americans..? I wasn't aware we were a homogenous "culture"? Which tribe are you identifying with?

So it seems it is very scary to think Whites could lose the privilege they take for granted and apparently feel they deserve. That is why videos like this one are made and why they successfully scare people who feel threatened at the thought of losing the privilege and power that is traditionally, freely and automatically given to them at birth, simply for having had the luck to be born into a group defined by the color of their skin, their religion or their ancestry.

It is scary to think you might lose something so powerful that's always just been given to you. That's really all it's about here.


What is the fear, specifically? That their large number will make "us" minorities? Why is being a minority bad or a scary thought? Do you fear that once the power's shifted, "we" will be on the receiving end of, well, the same treatment we've inflicted on "the other", the minorities to serve our interests and impose "our" superior ways over the hundreds of years we've enjoyed our privileged position and power? The fear is based on the realization that the tables would turn.

And most importantly, though you probably still don't acknowledge it yet, you have a nagging fear that we just might have given "the other" reason to perhaps want to use that privilege against us in the same way we have? When we see ourselves, "the other" and the world from one perspective only - our own - based on a conviction of our Eurocentric superiority, that's the only reality we ever bother to even consider. It has been used to justify what we see as our mission, our duty even, to civilize the world.


What do you fear from a growing muslim or Arab population and a white minority? Persecution? Subjugation? Do you worry about missionaries trying to convince you to convert? Maybe force you into ghettos, refugee camps or maybe in reserves? Maybe they'll steal your land, demolish your house to build their own, then ban you from using the roads they reserve for themselves and relegate you to a second class citizen not afforded the same rights...


Is that the sort of thing you're worried about? If so, then maybe it's time to see the world without some pre-conceived beliefs and colonial mindframe and start from the idea that our actions and our positions should always be based on the assumption that you don't know what role you'll eventually have, so you probably want to make sure that you would be happy with any of them. I think our world would be radically different if we started from that premise.

I'm sorry but what certainly doesn't help accomplish that, is fear mongering and xenophobia of this kind.

 

[myselftheother]

Islam, like all other religions coming from the desert are about subjugation, expanding their brand of 'god' to the masses, and eliminating the infidel, the unbelievers. Bijou, I get that you're for the elimination of bigotry and all that....good for you. But there is a reality that you aren't getting. We, us in the West may be aware of such things, of such sentiments...but those who are pushing Islam, sharia law are the type of peole who don;t give a rat's ass about your freedom to express your opinions.

I am concerned? Yes I am, when it comes to any religious zealots pushing for global domination or bust...and I'm not sure if the 'bust' part is any better. I know you're young, impressed by those who advocate for a better, more aware world consciouness....I was too. I am concerned as it does threaten not just European values, but general human values....to be able to think and express yourself freely as a woman, to walk about without a male relative making sure you are covered from head to foot, not talking to any males who aren't directly related to you...etc. Camps, reserves, segregated towns, ghettos...don't poo-poo that completely. Might not happen in our lifetime, but what about your children's?

I like the everyday Muslim, known a few through work and life...and really cool neat people. They just wanna go to work, have a laugh and maybe find a bit of peace...like everyone else I know....it's the zealots, the extremists that I'm worried about, the uneducated masses that's their cannon fodder...that's what frightens me. They can whip up the locals, who really don't know any better since all they have ever been told about us, the West, is that we are all devils who fornicate with whores....well, that part is true, but that we are so evil and corrupt that we ought to all be killed in Allah's name, women enslaved and our way of life destroyed.

I'm very accepting of everyone from anywhere...but if you're screaming at the top of your lungs for the death of the West, then I tend to get concerned. If your gov't is threatening to wipe other countries (I don't care who the ruling gov't is, or they're religious belief, it's people being threatened) off the face of the Eath...or building bombs that are so destructive in power just so they can actually use them in the pursuit of their destruction of the West....if your Imams, your priests are advocating the death of homosexuals, women who wear lipstick and don't cover their faces and hair, anyone who 'challenges' the Koran, anyone who isn't bowing to their power.....that's all of us, Ms. Bijou. No matter how lovely the idea of live and let live....they don't believe that. We do, in the West on the most part...because we have lived through those dark days of the Inquisition, etc. We have had our Renaissance...they haven't. We've moved mostly past the ideology that we have to go to church to make sure our souls won't be burning in lakes of fire...we've become accepting of other people's way of life, and we respect that. Euro-centric values are much more 'liberal' (easy there, you righties) in letting live and let live, especially in the last 60 years. A few hiccups in Ireland and the Baltics since, the Basques and other radicals.

Our way of life is being threatened by those who want to see us floating in a sea of our own blood....really. All because of 'In the Holy Name of God'.....and they want it. Never mind the evils of the West, etc...this is now, and no matter whatever has happened, the reality right now is, yes...they want us dead, or following Sharia law. Nothing else.

 

[overdone]

I can't see America, China, India or even the banana republic that is Russia being overtaken by Muslims

America has the most toys, more than the next 10 countries combined and those other 3 are in that group

Muslims are fighting amongst themselves right now and will continue as they have been doing since some guy named Mo commissioned a book

they have a tribal mentality, something leftover from when the world was flat, lol

not exactly the traits of a world power

 

[wilde]

Yup. And this begs the question: Do you see yourself in the 1B sustainable population, or in the 6B "excess"? It's easy to agree there is a problem, it's a lot harder to admit that individually, we are equal contributors to the problem. It's not "religeon", or "governments", or "others". It's us.

Population control will arrive sooner than you think (already in place in China - the one child policy). In the Western world, nobody wants to say it out loud but a lot of people are thinking about it...

 

[HankQuinlan]

Islam, like all other religions coming from the desert are about subjugation, expanding their brand of 'god' to the masses, and eliminating the infidel, the unbelievers.

Like Christianity and Judaism you mean? Since they are also "desert" religions and the forebears of Islam?

 

[Ray]

To the best of my knowledge, it isn't the Muslims that have a military presence in over 150 countries around the world.
So no, they're not the ones looking to take over anything.

I see a lot of fear-mongering emanating from our neighbors due to the fact that their annointed dictatorships are being overthrown, and countries are looking to seek their own destinies rather than being told by others.

There is absolutely no chance of Shariah being imposed on us in North America, no matter how much or how loud some may shout.
There are zealots in every community, every country, and some are even in the running to be president.

 

[jesuschrist]

Like Christianity and Judaism you mean? Since they are also "desert" religions and the forebears of Islam?

WHAT??? I thought Christianity and Judaism came from Heaven!!!! And only Islam came from the Desert!

The stuff you learn on this board, am I ever glad there are people like you helping those with a grade 4 education get to grade 5! Hallelujah bless you my son!