CFS more dangerous than BBBJ?

[Ms. Yoko Anna]

Hi Health Nurse.

It is Yoko again.
Thank you for answering my question the other day.
I am more comfortable to say no to bbbj now.

Now, in a thread in the Lounge section here on perb with a title "bear back surprise", a pooner is saying:

"You do realize that CFS is more dangerous re HIV than a BBBJ? So if an SP provides CFS and not the so-called "retarded" BBBJ,
what does that make the more risky CFS?"

Is it true that covered sex is more dangerous than bbbj in terms of HIV?
It would drop my jaw off, and frankly everyone should know this if that is the case.

Please verify it for us.

Thank you for your contribution to our business/hobby.

Sincerely,
Yoko Anna

 

[Health Nurse]

Hi Health Nurse.

It is Yoko again.
Thank you for answering my question the other day.
I am more comfortable to say no to bbbj now.

Now, in a thread in the Lounge section here on perb with a title "bear back surprise", a pooner is saying:

"You do realize that CFS is more dangerous re HIV than a BBBJ? So if an SP provides CFS and not the so-called "retarded" BBBJ,
what does that make the more risky CFS?"

Is it true that covered sex is more dangerous than bbbj in terms of HIV?
It would drop my jaw off, and frankly everyone should know this if that is the case.

Please verify it for us.

Thank you for your contribution to our business/hobby.

Sincerely,
Yoko Anna

Hi Yoko Anna

There are many different factors that can change someone’s overall chance of getting HIV. What I will try and do is given some general information about HIV transmission for a SP.

There is a much greater chance that HIV will be passed with unprotected vaginal sex when compared to performing a bbbj.

When people think about the risk of vaginal sex and HIV they seem to take into consideration the chance that a condom will fail or break. I don’t tend to look at it that way. I look at what is the chance when the condom is used properly and there is no breakage and if the condom does break I then call that having unprotected sex.

To answer your question I would say that there is more of a chance of getting HIV from performing a bbbj than from protected vaginal sex with a condom that is used properly and does not break.

Just remember that the chance of getting HIV from performing oral sex on a man with HIV is considered low. Not having the person cum in your mouth would reduce this chance.

HN
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[Bartdude]

I would also be curious on HN's take on this - not necessarily HIV but STI's in general.

I had a mild urethra infection and went to see a doctor. He said it could have been a few things, including sexual contact. He then told me, in no uncertain terms, that he finds himself pushing condom use for oral sex even more than he does for vaginal sex, just because of all the bacteria, viruses, and potential infections delivered via the mouth.

He didn't specifically mention HIV, and I don't think he was suggesting that it was a significant risk. But he said he's really seeing a lot of infections from unprotected oral sex.

I find myself, for the first time ever, really weighing the risk/reward of BBBJ.

Would really like HN's take on this.

 

[Health Nurse]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I don't believe I have heard of, or seen, one documented case of someone getting HIV from either giving, or receiving a bbbj. I may be wrong, but if there is such data, could you please provide a link, or something.

THank you

Hi LeeBrando

There have been documented cases (case reports) of people who believed they got HIV passed to them from oral sex.

One study I have found useful is one that was published in the international journal of epidemiology (2008). It is titled “Systemic review of orogenital HIV-1 transmission probability”

What they tried to do in this study is look at all the past research that has been done on HIV transmission and oral sex.

I will copy their key messages here.

1) It is important to assess risk of HIV transmission from oral intercourse (between men, between men and women and between women) but very few studies have been published which look at this.

2) Given the lack of information, summary estimates for risk, be it risk per act of oral intercourse or risk per partner where oral intercourse is practiced, cannot be made.

3) More and larger studies would be required to derive more precise estimates.

4) However, despite the few data, it appears that risk of HIV transmission through orogenital sex is very low but not zero.

To sum it up there is a chance HIV can be transmitted with orals sex but the risk is much smaller when compared to the risk of unprotected vaginal or anal sex. It seems that more research needs to be done to know the exact risk.

In our risk chart http://healthnurse.wordpress.com/faq-about-sexual-health/sti-risks-chart/

We have said that someone giving a bbbj is at a low risk of getting HIV and someone receiving a bbbj has an insignificant risk of getting HIV.

The reason we have placed the person giving a bbbj at a higher risk than the person receiving the bbbj is because the person who is giving the bbbj would normally come in contact with HIV in the pre-cum and semen.




For other people who may be reading this post here is some additional information that you may find helpful about HIV and bbbj.

- Using a condom or dental dam for oral sex would reduce this small risk.

- Having good oral health e.g. no cuts, no infected teeth or gums etc… can reduce your risk when performing a bbbj

- Having an STI in the mouth or genitals can increase the risk of HIV being transmitted with a bbbj. Being tested for STI can reduce this risk.

Let me know if you want me to expand on anything or if things do not make sense.

HN
www.healthnurse.wordpress.com
www.stiresource.com
www.bccdc.ca

 

[Health Nurse]

I would also be curious on HN's take on this - not necessarily HIV but STI's in general.

I had a mild urethra infection and went to see a doctor. He said it could have been a few things, including sexual contact. He then told me, in no uncertain terms, that he finds himself pushing condom use for oral sex even more than he does for vaginal sex, just because of all the bacteria, viruses, and potential infections delivered via the mouth.

He didn't specifically mention HIV, and I don't think he was suggesting that it was a significant risk. But he said he's really seeing a lot of infections from unprotected oral sex.

I find myself, for the first time ever, really weighing the risk/reward of BBBJ.

Would really like HN's take on this.

Hi Bartdude

Thanks for your comments.

Your doctor brings up a really good point. Most of the sexually transmitted infections that will pass with unprotected vaginal sex will also pass with unprotected oral sex. We also know that viruses like the adenoviruses are in the mouth and can pass with oral sex and cause urethritis in men. We certainly see many STI in the clinic that we believe are transmitted from oral sex.

The risk reward of a bbbj like everything else in life is a personal decision and really depends on what the person is comfortable with. Someone's risk tolerance can also change over time based on what happens in your life e.g. new information, personal experience, changes in social situation etc...

Over the years I have seen three common situations were someone chooses CBJ over a BBBJ.

1. They want to reduce the chance of getting an STI from oral sex as much as possible to protect their health.

2. People who found they worried too much about STI after getting a bbbj that it took away from the pleasure of the sexual experience they just had.

3. People in a steady relationship were getting an STI could cause a big problem with this relationship.

Here is some links for further information.

STI risk chart:
http://healthnurse.wordpress.com/faq-about-sexual-health/sti-risks-chart/

Risk tolerance:
http://healthnurse.wordpress.com/faq-about-sexual-health/risk-tolerance/


HN
www.healthnurse.wordpress.com
www.stiresource.com
www.bccdc.ca

 

[wally*]

Hi LeeBrando

There have been documented cases (case reports) of people who believed they got HIV passed to them from oral sex.

One study I have found useful is one that was published in the international journal of epidemiology (2008). It is titled “Systemic review of orogenital HIV-1 transmission probability”

What they tried to do in this study is look at all the past research that has been done on HIV transmission and oral sex.

I will copy their key messages here.

1) It is important to assess risk of HIV transmission from oral intercourse (between men, between men and women and between women) but very few studies have been published which look at this.

2) Given the lack of information, summary estimates for risk, be it risk per act of oral intercourse or risk per partner where oral intercourse is practiced, cannot be made.

3) More and larger studies would be required to derive more precise estimates.

4) However, despite the few data, it appears that risk of HIV transmission through orogenital sex is very low but not zero.

To sum it up there is a chance HIV can be transmitted with orals sex but the risk is much smaller when compared to the risk of unprotected vaginal or anal sex. It seems that more research needs to be done to know the exact risk.

In our risk chart http://healthnurse.wordpress.com/faq-about-sexual-health/sti-risks-chart/

We have said that someone giving a bbbj is at a low risk of getting HIV and someone receiving a bbbj has an insignificant risk of getting HIV.

The reason we have placed the person giving a bbbj at a higher risk than the person receiving the bbbj is because the person who is giving the bbbj would normally come in contact with HIV in the pre-cum and semen.




For other people who may be reading this post here is some additional information that you may find helpful about HIV and bbbj.

- Using a condom or dental dam for oral sex would reduce this small risk.

- Having good oral health e.g. no cuts, no infected teeth or gums etc… can reduce your risk when performing a bbbj

- Having an STI in the mouth or genitals can increase the risk of HIV being transmitted with a bbbj. Being tested for STI can reduce this risk.

Let me know if you want me to expand on anything or if things do not make sense.

HN
www.healthnurse.wordpress.com
www.stiresource.com
www.bccdc.ca

Does the same principle apply regarding DATY? I mean is the one giving oral sex to a woman is at greater risk than the woman receiving it?

 

[Health Nurse]

Does the same principle apply regarding DATY? I mean is the one giving oral sex to a woman is at greater risk than the woman receiving it?

Hi Wally

Yes this would be the same for DATY.

The chance of HIV passing would be greater for the person performing DATY as they would be coming in contact with fluid (vaginal fluid, blood) that could have HIV in it.

As mentioned above the overall risk for HIV with unprotected oral sex (bbbj & daty) is much lower when compared to unprotected vaginal and rectal sex.

HN
www.healthnurse.wordpress.com
www.bccdc.ca
www.stiresource.com