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Bad carbs make you fat. Meat just makes you constipated (in so many ways :p) & produces an unhealthy disease promoting acid environment. Plants keep your body alkaline and are terrific packages of fat/protein/carbs, micro & phyto-nutrients and contrary to popular belief, supply a veritable custom-made superior suit of aminoes compared to one-size-fits-all/off-the-rack animal protein but whadda i know..i'm just a dumb hooker..lets hear from some 'stupid vegetarian' scientists..

'Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet.' - Albert Einstein

'The thinking man must oppose all cruel customs no matter how deeply rooted in tradition and surrounded by a halo. When we have a choice we must avoid bringing torment and injury into the life of another, even the lowliest creature; to do so is to renounce our manhood and shoulder a guilt which nothing justifies.' - Albert Schweitzer

Humans have been eating meat since the beginning, whether you believe that is 6000-7000 years as in the bible.
Or hundreds of thousands of years according to science. Humans ate meat, as much as they could actually.
Most humans were very lean and light.

The obesity problem, has been around 30-40 years. You conclude that meat is the reason????
 

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'Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet.' - Albert Einstein
thinning the herd will do far more

and the vegans are too scrawny and not bloodthirsty enough to do that, lol
 

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I have to agree with you, I don't think in general it is what you eat but the portions that you eat. Like yourself the last time I had dinner in the states I was amazed at the size of the portions of our meals.
Yup,the size of a muffin nowadays is about twice of a normal muffin tray.On another thread i mentioned that i stopped using sugar, in 2 months i've lost 20 lbs.I still eat meat,my last blood work was normal & my blood pressure has dropped 8 points. Moderation is the key,that & a little common sense(not to common anymore)
 

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Bad carbs make you fat. Meat just makes you constipated (in so many ways :p) & produces an unhealthy disease promoting acid environment. Plants keep your body alkaline and are terrific packages of fat/protein/carbs, micro & phyto-nutrients and contrary to popular belief, supply a veritable custom-made superior suit of aminoes compared to one-size-fits-all/off-the-rack animal protein but whadda i know..i'm just a dumb hooker..lets hear from some 'stupid vegetarian' scientists..

'Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet.' - Albert Einstein

'The thinking man must oppose all cruel customs no matter how deeply rooted in tradition and surrounded by a halo. When we have a choice we must avoid bringing torment and injury into the life of another, even the lowliest creature; to do so is to renounce our manhood and shoulder a guilt which nothing justifies.' - Albert Schweitzer
wrong... i refer you to the diet of the canadian eskimo before european contact. two diseases that the earliest researchers noticed were completely absent from the eskimo population were diabetes and dental caries
 

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Yea now I'm picturing all the planet earth/blue planet documentries I own with their time lapse video of a carcass "going back to nature". That stuff also benefits PLANTLIFE when the nutrients are returned to the soil.

regardless of the moral stance on trophy hunting, in some provinces i believe it is entirely legal. and the carcass left behind does get entirely consumed by other forms of life such as coyotes, wolves, ravens, rodents and eventually maggots. do these animals not deserve to live and eat as well as larger animals, to whom we often assign anthropomorphic characteristics?

(strains of 'the circle of life' from the lion king playing in the background...)


What anthropomorphic characteristics would those be? I wasn't aware anyone had made any such remarks?

Yes, you are correct. It is indeed legal here in BC.
http://www.raincoast.org/projects/grizzly-bears/troph-hunting/


Actually, if we take BC as an example and the legal hunting of wolves (for fun) and bears (for fun & trophy), by killing them you actually prevent a lot of nutrients from getting where they are needed. Bears and wolves eat salmon and are the ones who spread the nutrients to the vegetation by spreading salmon carcasses. When you kill them, you prevent that.

Feeding scavengers is a nice attempt to spin this into some kind of noble cause but that's absolute bullshit; wolves that are alive leave carcasses after their kills that feed the scavengers. We like to think it's necessary for us to go in and control or fix things but the truth is we're really not as important or intelligent as we pretend to be and ecosystems do just fine without needed our "help" or for us to control anything.

Not only that, but that we need to control is a really lame excuse. Our reasons are always self serving and aren't ever about the animals or ecosystems' interests. We like to lie about this quite a lot, I guess it makes it easier to get away with the most disgusting behaviors.


Right. Real fucking noble, eh. :rolleyes:


http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-gibson-the-war-on-wolves-20111208,0,822158.story?track=rss

http://www.earthisland.org/journal/index.php/eij/article/cry_wolf/

http://www.earthisland.org/journal/...ore_than_180_wolves_in_the_no rthern_rockies



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Sick fucks. PERIOD.


http://howlingforjustice.wordpress.com/2011/11/18/snaring-killing-wolves-with-a-smile/
http://howlingforjustice.wordpress.com/2011/12/06/snaring-killing-wolves-with-a-smile-part-ii/
http://howlingforjustice.wordpress.com/2011/11/25/wolves-trapped-to-death/






Not all of us 'meatheads' let big corporations do there killing for them :confused: I hunt for moose ,elk & deer,

As for your hunting, do you even realize how toxic/contaminated these animals are for you anyway?

http://www.environmentalhealthnews....-from-bullets-ends-up-in-wild-game-and-people
 

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Some of the arguments on this thread are ridiculous on so many levels.
They're also very reactive and defensive.






The reverence some hunters feel for the animals is the gratitude for them that their life was given so other lives could be nourished. There are a number of native Americans out east here who feel that way. Wasting parts of an animal you kill is sacrilegious to them: basically if you aren't going to use it all, don't kill it.

Most true believer vegans/vegetarians ignore the science and prefer to spout the party line, clearly the human species is an omnivore, anyone who says different is simply wrong. The louder they spout it, in my experience, the more ignorant and sort of stupid they are. You can choose to ignore the biology and live fairly well as a vegan, but like any religion, keep that shit to yourself.


Right, science. OK then let's talk science and facts.

Whether our ancestors were omnivores or not is irrelevant to whether or not we choose to be now based on the knowledge and the SCIENCE we have now. That's what that big brain of ours is supposed to be for. But even if it were relevant, omnivores certainly doesn't mean eating meat 3 times a day (or more) with a couple vegetables as side dish.


There's nothing scientific about representing the modern diet as some natural human thing, it is definitely not. Nor is it exactly healthy - as some other poster insisted on. Not only did meat consist of a small part of their entire diet, unlike modern humans do, they also were not nearly as many of them as there are of us now. Nor did they keep animals solely for their consumption - they hunted game which meant sometimes they were successful and others they were not. They didn't kill off wildlife so they could replace the diversity of plants and animals with one or two types of crop or animal They were hunter gatherers and to even attempt to use the fact that they were omnivores to justify the disgusting modern industry is dishonest and completely inaccurate. Please. The two bear absolutely no resemblance, they have nothing in common whatsoever.


Same goes for that reverence bullshit. We don't know shit about reverence. Bring up traditional aboriginal cultures and do you honestly think our disfunctional, schizophrenic, ADHD culture and the ways in which we view nature, animals and the world around us in a remotely comparable way that traditional indigenous cultures do? Not even close. Yeah, anyone can say they feel reverence doing just about anything but whether or not they even understand what that truly means or are even capable of it is pretty dubious. I think that's just another dishonest attempt at justifying the belief we humans have that we are unquestionable superior and more important than everything else around us. There is no question that the way we behave leaves no doubt as to our belief that our needs, wants and interests are what matters beyond all else.


Also, not a chance about keeping that shit to oneself - sorry. Comparing it to religion is typical and it's also beyond absurd. I find it very, very interesting that conviction supposedly translates to ignorance, according to you. The fact is that even if you have zero empathy for animals or you're just holding on tight to the denial and cognitive dissonance that allows you to block out the brutality and inhumane nature of the meat industry, you can't possibly find any reasonable scientific justification for the destruction it inflicts on the entire environment by its existence and by the ever increasing demand. There are 7 billion humans infesting this planet and if we think that meeting the current demand is destructive, just take a moment to imagine the magnitude of this over the coming decades.









As billions more who will have the means and are eager to emulate our western standards of living by (among other things) adding as much meat to their diets as we enjoy. The population will of course not stop growing. Animal agriculture uses an extreme amount of water and it also contaminates more water that we drink. We don't acknowledge it yet but you do realize the drinking water supply isn't infinite and we are heading towards a crisis - some parts of the world already have? Aside from humane treatment of animals, human perception of superiority, growing population, pollution and contamination, animal agriculture requires more and more land, which we steal from other species and entire ecosystems, cutting down trees and evicting all wildlife to make room for animal agriculture.

There are consequences to all of this. They may not be immediate or obvious to identify but they all have consequences that accumulate.


Before you start calling anyone ignorant, I'd strongly suggest having a clue what the science actually does tell us. If you choose not to, you don't get to call anyone ignorant because you want to stay happy in your little fantasy bubble. I doubt I'll have any kids - specifically because personally I'd feel sorry as hell for them being screwed with the consequences of human stupidity. It's one thing to justify decisions and actions made 50 or 100 years ago because people simply did not have the knowledge to know the damage they were doing but in 2011, the fact that the information is there and being ignored is unconscionable. I would be deeply ashamed to have to tell any future kids that we did have the knowledge but people still refused the see how they were compromising their children and grand children's future because, well, it was just easier to pretend so that they could continue enjoying the things they had convinced themselves they deserved.

Afterall, we are humans and everything on this planet belongs to us - no, everything exists for us....right?



So you want to eat meat, obviously I can't stop you - so eat meat. But don't tell me about religion, ignorance or science. You don't get to be mad about being told the truth. Don't inform yourself or change anything about your lifestyle if you don't want to - but you don't get to tell people who are looking at reality for what it is and not caught up in the cozy state of denial some of you are depending on, that they should keep that shit to themselves. With all due respect, you just need to work on your denial strategies if you can't handle hearing about reality - you don't get to make it disappear or to censor it. You can lash out at the mention of it all you want, but you don't get to change the actual truth.






If you were all truly convinced of what you're claiming, all of what is said would go right over your head. The defensive and reactive kind of comments that never fail to come out when this topic comes up, only makes it clear how much you want to hold on to the denial and how hard you'll protect the cognitive dissonance that keeps you from recognizing the unspeakable misery and torture of feeling animals and the steady and serious destruction of the planet. Lash out all you want but you still have to look your kids, grandkids, nieces, nephews or whomever, now or 10-20 years from now and explain why their inheritance is toxic planet that's falling apart for them to deal with. I doubt your "but we're omnivores" crap is going to quite cut it.


But I'm not about to shut up just to protect your warm and cozy status quo - even if I have no children. If you get irate when you're confronted with your responsibility in all of this, that's your problem and not mine. I'd like to be able to at least say I did something, anything about it and not that I was blissfully ignorant because I just like the taste of meat and couldn't imagine having (or be bothered) to make some sacrifices or responsible changes and try to do my part.

http://www.earthisland.org/journal/index.php/eij/article/its_wrong_to_wreck_the_world







 

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Very Veronica, a human's dentition is clearly for eating both plants and meat. We have molars for crushing plants (fruits and vegetables and others), and canines and incisors to tear meat.

And although vegetarian diets may offer some advantages over a primarily meat diet, you have to ensure you mix your vegetables and grains to ensure you get all the 20 amino acids required for your body to manufacture the proteins it needs, especially the 8 so-called essential amino acids our body can't produce. Meat, on the other hand, contains those 8 essential amino acids. That is why meat protein is called a "complete protein" as opposed to the "incomplete protein" plants supply.

May I suggest you take some science courses. That way, you won't make any ignorant comments such as this again.

I've commented on the whole "but we're omnivores.." excuse above.
But I don't understand what your point is or what comment is ignorant exactly. Is this meant to be some kind of earth shattering evidence or argument for meat eating and against a plant based diet? :confused:


Amino acids

Proteins are comprised of 21 amino acids, the ‘building blocks’ which make up proteins. This includes 8 (for adults) or 10 (for infants) amino acids which must be obtained directly from food - called ‘essential’ amino acids.

The remaining amino acids are either ‘non-essential’, which can easily be produced by the body, or ‘conditionally essential’, which can usually be made by the body but may be required in the diet under certain circumstances (such as during illness).


These are:


Essential: Isoleucine, Leucine, Valine, Lysine, Methionine, Phenylalanine, Threonine, Tryptophan, Histidine, Selenocysteine.

Non-essential: Alanine, Aspartic acid, Asparagine, Glutamic acid, Serine.

Conditionally essential: Arginine, Cysteine, Glutamine, Glycine, Proline, Tyrosine.

A diet comprising a variety of plant protein sources will include all the essential amino acids.1



What are ‘complete’ proteins?

A food which contains all the essential amino acids in sufficient quantities to meet the body’s needs is referred to as a ‘complete’ protein.

A few plant-based foods, such as soya, buckwheat, quinoa and amaranth, are complete proteins.

Most plant-based foods do not contain sufficient quantities of all the essential amino acids; instead, the full range of amino acids is provided in the diet across a variety of different foods.

It is not necessary to eat complete proteins in order to obtain all the essential amino acids.


http://www.vegansociety.com/lifestyle/nutrition/protein/terminology.aspx


Lots of additional information:

http://veganhealth.org/articles/protein





If God didn't want us to eat em he wouldn't have made em taste so good! Actually people just don't hunt enough anymore and the game populations especially deer are getting out of control. Thousands wind up getting hit on the hwy these days and close calls on motorcycles are scary as shit! There is nothing wrong with a properly conducted hunt and proper use of the meat, wild game is much better than farm produced product and much healthier to eat as well!

Yeah, especially healthy when it's full of lead. lol

And thanks for demonstrating my point about humans notion that we're needed to manage wildlife and populations. And that without us, everything gets all out of whack. We're completely convinced of it too. Ah the stories we've made up about ourselves and our supposed importance and superiority. ;)
 

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I do get a kick out of being quoted twice once to be used as an argument about people trophy killing wolves/bears (which personally I find stupid), then shortly thereafter get quoted on where a directly say "if you aren't going to use it, don't kill it". As well the natives that live out in this area, are fucking poor! Hunting/trapping is literally necessary for some of their survival (why they me be so poor is an entirely different argument let's not get into it). So yes the ones that need to hunt do appreciate.

It's also amusing to see someone chastise others for posting reactive and defensive posts then going on to make inflammatory and confrontational statements, such as claiming anothers view is bullshit or that we have a schizo culture. I responded to a question of how a hunter could feel reverence for an animal while killing it, and posted again as I was thinking of neat video tricks nature DVDs use. Nothing reactive or defensive about it, in fact outside of mentioning plant life I've avoided the issue being argued about completly (yea I wanna avoid the shitstorm I knew would be coming, just as no way I'll enter a discussion about pro life pro choice).
 

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My oh my has this thread ever gone off the track.

Might as well add to it....AHEM.....salad is not food...it is what food eats(animals anyway)

SR
 

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If I had to bet on the person who has a longer lifespan between a meat eater vs. a vegan, I know who I have my money on.

Most vegans I've ever come across look like they're near death (including one particular poster in this thread)
 

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Most vegans I've ever come across look like they're near death (including one particular poster in this thread)
Georges Laraque don't look sickly to me. The 'Vegans dont get enough protein' myth has been blown out of the water. The people you see that look half dead aren't vegans, they're idiots who are starving themselves.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/big-buff-and-vegan-packing-on-muscle-in-a-healthier-way/article1709172/

"Defying the wispy, slightly anemic, hard-as-tofu stereotype, veganism’s newest converts are adopting a meat- and dairy-free diet to help them become bigger, stronger and faster. Among them are a growing number of professional athletes, including Montreal Canadien tough guy Georges Laraque (now deputy leader of the Green Party), NFL tight end Tony Gonzalez and NBA veteran John Salley. Even boxing heavyweight Mike Tyson, who once bit an opponent’s ear, has recently given up his taste for meat in favour of greens."

I eat meat, by the way. But less and less all the time, and only locally grown... I live around enough farms that produce poultry and beef that I can buy direct and feel satisfied knowing the animals aren't pumped full of steroids. If you're eating unhappy, sick animals like the kind that come from the big commercial producers, you're asking for it. You will cut your life short and deserve it.
 

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One would assume you're a vegetarian?

Frankly i don't see how the average mindless carnivore is any different than meathead Lesnar. They just have someone else do the dirty work nevermind supporting the factory meat industry which is more egregious than the worst puppy mill.

Such twisted thinking:

How is killing an animal showing reverence? If i killed my dog (and ate her) does that show reverence?
Why start a debate like this? You're basically pissing off half of your potential client pool. Why not state your views on abortion while you're at it?
It's different because people have, and are entitled to their own opinions and beliefs. It is not "twisted thinking". By your twisted logic, since it's generally accepted to go to the grocery store and buy chicken to eat, I could kill your dog and eat it too? Same thing right? Or is that twisted?
 

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I do get a kick out of being quoted twice once to be used as an argument about people trophy killing wolves/bears (which personally I find stupid), then shortly thereafter get quoted on where a directly say "if you aren't going to use it, don't kill it". As well the natives that live out in this area, are fucking poor! Hunting/trapping is literally necessary for some of their survival (why they me be so poor is an entirely different argument let's not get into it). So yes the ones that need to hunt do appreciate.

It's also amusing to see someone chastise others for posting reactive and defensive posts then going on to make inflammatory and confrontational statements, such as claiming anothers view is bullshit or that we have a schizo culture. I responded to a question of how a hunter could feel reverence for an animal while killing it, and posted again as I was thinking of neat video tricks nature DVDs use. Nothing reactive or defensive about it, in fact outside of mentioning plant life I've avoided the issue being argued about completly (yea I wanna avoid the shitstorm I knew would be coming, just as no way I'll enter a discussion about pro life pro choice).

oh relax, will ya. This thread was about trophy hunting. As far as I know, hunting and trapping wolves isn't motivated by a need to feed anyone's family, which makes it the same as trophy hunting in my books. That I quoted you or anyone else just means I was responding to something you wrote but doesn't mean all I wrote was in response to you. Some of it was in response to the OP, some was in response to others I quoted and some was not in direct response to anything anyone wrote but was just stuff I wanted to comment on. I was not merely claiming others view is bullshit, I supported my comments with facts (Are you saying our culture is perfectly sane, fair, consistent, balanced and healthy?:eek:). If anyone wanted to disagree and had a leg to stand on, they would have had the chance to present their counter arguments. As it turns out, no one's made a peep about any of it. Don't blame me for it.


As far as inflammatory and confrontational statements: you've got to be kidding me.

I took offense to the accusations of ignorance considering they were being made out of just that, ignorance, of the major issues that are all part of this debate. That people can willfully ignore critical issues that we should be addressing currently, to make comments that have no basis on reality is distressing. My reaction may be shocking but it's not nearly as shocking as it should be. What's really troubling is the general ignorance or deliberate attempts not to know or block out things of such importance by many of you. Unfortunately even after being confronted with it again, many still chose to ignore the information they were presented and even though they had nothing valuable to add or any credible arguments to counter what they read, they didn't even try to take the initiative to follow up on their own and validate this information.

For those who decided to post inane comments anyway, I'm really not sure what the motivation or what the message is supposed to be, really. I don't get why anyone would want to advertize their intellectual laziness or willful ignorance but hey, I guess the mind works in funny ways sometimes.











My oh my has this thread ever gone off the track.

Might as well add to it....AHEM.....salad is not food...it is what food eats(animals anyway)

SR


Your vagina has no control over me ladies
Yes, you got me, that's exactly what this was about. That was the point, I'm glad you got what this was about:
My vagina and its superpowers.




having said that i am going to really enjoy my turkey dinner this evening. Maybe have some moose chili tomorrow, yum yum:nod:


Turkey tonight and ribeyes boxing day.


If I had to bet on the person who has a longer lifespan between a meat eater vs. a vegan, I know who I have my money on.

Most vegans I've ever come across look like they're near death (including one particular poster in this thread)


Sounds good...I myself will not be cooking a turkey as it would be too much for 1 person so I am going with a stuffed cornish game hen.

SR




Doing great guys! Looks like all that practice has paid off.



It’s shocking to realize how seldom we change our basic beliefs or understanding when confronted with new information that normally would affect change. Instead, we bend or ignore facts to fit our established world view. John Maynard Keynes once said “When the facts change, I change my opinion. What do you do, sir?” Sadly most people don’t subscribe to this logical practice. Instead, conformation bias and denial are the tools we use to manage and manipulate information to our liking. And there are plenty of governmental, corporate and private citizens ready to help us accomplish this through deliberate and targeted propaganda. The most common personal warning sign that this is happening is the pain of cognitive dissonance, which is usually set off when new information is in conflict with long established and dearly held views.


Rarely do we push through this cognitive pain to reappraise our inventory of established truths for validity or relevance. It’s so much easier to discard ugly deviations, or cherry pick information that confirms our preferred vision, rather than conduct the top to bottom review that’s called for when the facts change. Intellectual laziness is the polite term for this phenomenon. I think a more honest explanation is deliberate and mostly conscious denial. However, even when I’m alert for and aware of this phenomenon, I’m still surprised how often I participate. It’s frightening to see how deeply conditioned we are in the art of self deception. The truth hurts, so I employ the most powerful pain killer know to man, that of denial. It’s extremely difficult to reject popular opinion and strike out on our own independent path. Group think is indoctrinated into us from birth and socially rewarded at every turn. It’s emotionally safer and more comfortable if you stay near the center of the pack. Herd mentality in all its glory, which is corralled by the public myth and which we too are the keepers.






Mentally, what allows people to block out clear signs that our modern way of life is corrupt and unsustainable? What keeps people from caring?

How are people able to go on with their lives as normal when they hear that 50% of all species will be extinct by 2100? Why don’t such facts disturb people and make them curious enough to start looking into the details for themselves?

Cognitive dissonance relates to the concept of being exposed to information or having experiences that conflict with our existing base of “what we know.” The theory holds that our minds are not always flexible or rational when it comes to evaluating uncomfortable information or questioning our own beliefs.

“Dissonant cognitions” will cause us to dismiss or alter conflicting information or add justification to one side or the other—not necessarily rationally—in order to regain psychological balance. It’s an important concept to consider in terms of the way people block things out or justify things to themselves.

If there is a lot of built up psychological stake in a certain position or attitude and a piece of solid evidence comes in which conflicts with that position, it may be easier, psychologically, to dismiss the new information than alter the existing structure.

You can imagine how ingrained psychological structures can be when a human being is raised within a certain country, system, or reality. Growing up in the US, or any culture, for that matter, you will absorb an overwhelming number of messages about what is true, what is possible, and what is important.

Many of of these messages are absorbed subconsciously and become part of the basic structure of our reality. It becomes very difficult to question the fundamentals when opposing messages only come in small doses from the “fringe.”





http://www.actionbioscience.org/newfrontiers/eldredge2.html



'Only 50 years left' for sea fish

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6108414.stm



Water scarcity: A looming crisis?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3747724.stm



Energy: Meeting soaring demand

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3995135.stm



Can the planet feed us?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4038205.stm



China's dirty energy takes its toll

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3996855.stm



http://www.dieoff.org/



 
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Why start a debate like this? You're basically pissing off half of your potential client pool. Why not state your views on abortion while you're at it?
It's different because people have, and are entitled to their own opinions and beliefs. It is not "twisted thinking". By your twisted logic, since it's generally accepted to go to the grocery store and buy chicken to eat, I could kill your dog and eat it too? Same thing right? Or is that twisted?

It's not twisted. It's absurd.


We're not talking about personal beliefs, we're talking about facts. Sorry but that is a ridiculous analogy.


We all know that in parts of Asia, people eat dogs and cats. Is it more twisted than eating chickens, pigs or cows?

If so, Why?

If not....why not?

Either it's all perfectly acceptable, normal and moral. Or none of it is. Why would one be considered any different? Defending eating chicken, cows and pigs is defending eating cats, dogs, horses and rats. Why would it not be the same?



And that's manipulative, condescending and disingenuous:


You're basically pissing off half of your potential client pool.

If you choose which sp to see based on their opinions (or lack of) being identical to yours, please don't assume it's what everyone does and please don't assume we're just too stupid to realize this so you have to tell us, as well as shame us for having done something so outrageous, such as giving our opinion on an unpopular topic.. so we can "behave".
 

luvsdaty

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Cool, i wish i knew the name of every cow & pig i ate.Vegans are almost as annoying as jehova's witness's(at least vegans don't go door to door:rolleyes:).Generally speaking,i would guess most folks could care less about the 'facts' of eating meat(be it rat, cow,cat or pig) I love moose & elk,but i don't preach eating meat.If folks wanna be a vegan, that's fine(i care about someone being a vegan,as much as i care about the Kardashian's or Paris Hilton)
Generally i don't choose my sp's on there own personnel beliefs(that's why i pay them, so i don't have to listen about there personnel lives) Life is so much easier that way:nod:
Oh! you know which pig that i would have liked to have eaten? Arnold off green acres!:pound:
 
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