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DavidMR

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Umm...supply management is the main driver of cost aside from the raw COGs. And subsidies aside, a major factor of dairy prices in the US is the simple economy of scale in production and distribution.

Where did you study economics?
Wrong. Supply management has a small impact on final retail prices.

Where did you study economics? The Fraser or the Atlantic Inst for Mrkt Studies?
 

timhorton

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Wrong. Supply management has a small impact on final retail prices.

Where did you study economics? The Fraser or the Atlantic Inst for Mrkt Studies?
Briefly at LSE, then UofT, then UBC, actually. I asked where *you* studied economics, which you've declined to answer. What am I to ascertain from that?

Conceding that protectionism has a cost implication does not mean one is a child of the Fraser Institute. It means one actually understands the functions and implications of protectionist measures.

Since I have worked for a supply chain management consultancy for the CFIG, I've got a good sense of the cost structures in question.

But for quick casual read from a recent piece by CP's Andy Blatchford, who conferred with a colleague of mine for this article:

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/ar...nadas-supply-management-system-134199378.html
 

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Briefly at LSE, then UofT, then UBC, actually. I asked where *you* studied economics, which you've declined to answer. What am I to ascertain from that?

Conceding that protectionism has a cost implication does not mean one is a child of the Fraser Institute. It means one actually understands the functions and implications of protectionist measures.

Since I have worked for a supply chain management consultancy for the CFIG, I've got a good sense of the cost structures in question.

But for quick casual read from a recent piece by CP's Andy Blatchford, who conferred with a colleague of mine for this article:

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/ar...nadas-supply-management-system-134199378.html

The article contains no data on price differences at the primary level and uses price comparisons with other countries that use explicit government subsidies.
 

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OK. So given your assertion that supply management does not increase retail prices and that it certainly has zero effect on input costs for producers (other than driving up the cost of adding a cow or laying hen to their operations because they have to buy the quota from some other producer), and that international trade treaties prevent other countries from dumping exports into our markets at below costs, what possible reason is there to keep them if doing so makes our trade relations with other countries so difficult?
If we eliminate this means of supporting primary producers we would have to do what other nations do, despite their denials. That is, provide financial subsidies.

The impact on retail prices is small, but there is an increase in farm income that is effectively a subtraction from the net profit of wholesalers, processors and retailers. That's where the pressure is coming from. It's a quarrel over shares of the return among different components in the supply chain.

As for the demands of other countries, when they're honest about their own farm policies they'll be in a position to talk.
 

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Gotta coworker around 30 fat and in bad shape.
Almost always arrives to work with a McDonalds breakfast and some fast food for lunch.

He was telling me last summer how he likes to get organic fruit right off the farm, cause its healthier.
Then he finished his coke and fries, and went back to the office.

Its amazing grocery costs in the states. I used to buy clothes when I go to vegas. Now I get groceries in Bellingham. I plan my return flight to ensure bellingham costco will still be open.
 

DavidMR

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Gotta coworker around 30 fat and in bad shape.
Almost always arrives to work with a McDonalds breakfast and some fast food for lunch.

He was telling me last summer how he likes to get organic fruit right off the farm, cause its healthier.
Then he finished his coke and fries, and went back to the office.

Its amazing grocery costs in the states. I used to buy clothes when I go to vegas. Now I get groceries in Bellingham. I plan my return flight to ensure bellingham costco will still be open.

Hard to believe, isnt' it Neil. Imagine. Buying regular groceries in Bellingham.

I have noticed when I've been in the States that they sell our bread, like Silver Hills, for less than what it sells here. I wonder what supply management has to do with that, ... as opposed to wholesale and retail concentration and competition.
 

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Salmonids

Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Actinopterygii
Order: Salmoniformes
Family: Salmonidae

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I should be more diligent with my taxonomy. You are right; they are both in the salmonid family. I was thinking genus salmo vs. oncorhynchus. I should have double-checked. But I'm still correct that they are different species under separate genera: atlantic salmon are specifically a trout species (salmo) and pacific salmon are not. So what this list really does is still support my point that cross-breeding is very unlikely.
 
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timhorton

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The article contains no data on price differences at the primary level and uses price comparisons with other countries that use explicit government subsidies.
Because it's a piece in consumer media. I presumed you could do your own detailed research. If you need something more detailed, here's a report on dairy. I don't particularly agree with MEI all the time, but this report is fairly accurate: http://www.iedm.org/files/fev05_en.pdf

You can also check out

1. The Cost Structure of Ontario Dairy Farms: A Microeconometric Analysis Canadian Journal of Agricultural Economics Volume 36, Issue 2, pages 187–206, July 1988 http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1744-7976.1988.tb03271.x/abstract

2. An International Comparison of Milk Supply Control Programs and Their Impacts Informa Sept. 2010 http://www.idfa.org/files/Informa_International_Comparison_Supply_Control_Impacts_0910.pdf

The above is pretty much summarized by this: "While there were some declines in EU and Canadian prices in the late 1990s, on average prices paid by consumers have been increasing faster than in the US. Over the last 13 years, average consumer prices in the US have increased by an average of only 1.4% per year. In Canada and the EU, where quotas limit production, consumer price increases have averaged 3% or more annually."

Go on happily paying more for your supply managed groceries. Cost implications of supply management is kind of de facto. It's why they exist, so I find it really curious that you think they don't do what they are designed specifically to do: protect prices through managing the fundamental supply and demand drivers. It's kind of like saying that price fixing doesn't affect price. It's denoted by the name: Supply Management
 

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Because it's a piece in consumer media. I presumed you could do your own detailed research. If you need something more detailed, here's a report on dairy. I don't particularly agree with MEI all the time, but this report is fairly accurate: http://www.iedm.org/files/fev05_en.pdf

You can also check out

1. The Cost Structure of Ontario Dairy Farms: A Microeconometric Analysis Canadian Journal of Agricultural Economics Volume 36, Issue 2, pages 187–206, July 1988 http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1744-7976.1988.tb03271.x/abstract

2. An International Comparison of Milk Supply Control Programs and Their Impacts Informa Sept. 2010 http://www.idfa.org/files/Informa_International_Comparison_Supply_Control_Impacts_0910.pdf

The above is pretty much summarized by this: "While there were some declines in EU and Canadian prices in the late 1990s, on average prices paid by consumers have been increasing faster than in the US. Over the last 13 years, average consumer prices in the US have increased by an average of only 1.4% per year. In Canada and the EU, where quotas limit production, consumer price increases have averaged 3% or more annually."

Go on happily paying more for your supply managed groceries. Cost implications of supply management is kind of de facto. It's why they exist, so I find it really curious that you think they don't do what they are designed specifically to do: protect prices through managing the fundamental supply and demand drivers. It's kind of like saying that price fixing doesn't affect price. It's denoted by the name: Supply Management
Those are interesting references.

The Cdn Journal of Ag Econ paper is only accessible with a fee, and studies farm production costs, not their share of final retail prices. If there are no economic rents available based on final retail prices, there's nothing for various producers in the chain to argue over. IOWs, for supply management to produce economic rents to producers, those revenues must be present at the final retail level. International competition could indeed erode those rents, but that simply means eliminating Canadian production or else explicity subsidizing it as other nations do.
 

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http://www.naturalnews.com/034432_Monsanto_public_health_threat.html
(NaturalNews) Biotechnology giant Monsanto has been the leader in genetically modifying the planet, altering the genetic structure of crops and seeds that are consumed by individuals around the globe. Scientific research has found that GM crops and herbicides are not only leading to a number of health disorders, but they are also spawning mutated species of insects and powerful superweeds. This is only a couple of the ways that Monsanto continues to recklessly endanger human health and the environment -- here are the complete 4.

1. GM crops consistently linked to organ problems, other biological damage

Despite hard evidence linking the consumption of GM crops to organ disruption and a host of other health ailments, Monsanto continues to push its GM crops on developing nations under the guise of solving world hunger and empowering local farmers. In a telling review of 19 studies analyzing the dangers of GM crops including corn and soybeans, scientists reached a shocking conclusion regarding the true safety of these ubiquitous food staples. Researchers concluded that consumption of genetically altered corn and soybean products can actually lead to significant organ disruption in rats and mice.

The organ damage was specific to the liver and kidneys, two organs that are vital in the cleansing of toxins. It is important to remember that over 93 percent of United States soybeans are genetically modified, and this number is increasing. What this means is that public health is continually being threatened by the global food supply, as evidenced by the major study review.

2. Bt-containing gmo crops are spawning mutated superbugs

Going beyond the initial genetic modification process, Monsanto also offers GM crops filled with a toxic biopesticide known as Bt. Incorporated into the crops to kill insects, Bt usage has led to the development of mutated insects that are resistant to the biopesticide. Insects that are continually exposed to Bt actually begin to develop a resistance to the toxin through the act of mutation. In present day, around 8 insect populations have mutated to resist Bt. Of the 8, 2 species are specifically resistant to Bt sprays and a staggering 6 are resistant to Bt crops as a whole.

As a result of the resistance, farmers are forced to increase their pesticide use. Meanwhile, Monsanto continues to genetically manipulate the Bt-filled crops further in an attempt to overcome the powerful mutations exhibited in the insect populations. Despite heavy modification, research has found that even further modified Bt crops provided 'little or no advantage' in fighting off the insects. If Monsanto chooses to continue with this process, it will undoubtedly lead to even more pesticide spraying.

3. Roundup creating superweeds spanning millions of acres

Superweeds now infest over 120 million hectares of farmland, all thanks to Monsanto's popular herbicide Roundup. Farms across the world are being infested with herbicide-resistant superweeds that show no sign of stopping. These are the very same farms that Monsanto claims to be assisting and empowering. The super resistant weeds developed an immunity to glyphosate, a primary herbicide that Roundup contains. In 2010, experts estimated the weeds to cover over 120 million hectares across the globe, 4.5 million of which are within the United States. Nations like Australia, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Europe and South Africa are experiencing an increase in these superweeds.

When farmers have come to Monsanto seeking aid, Monsanto denies them any warranty. On their website, the company states "Roundup agricultural warranties will not cover the failure to control glyphosate resistant weed populations."

4. Monsanto is involved in creating aspartame

A 1999 investigation by The Independent revealed that aspartame is actually created using GM bacteria. The article, entitled "World's top sweetener is made with GM bacteria" included a Monsanto spokesperson admitting that aspartame was indeed created using genetically altered bacteria. According to the report, the Monsanto rep stated:

"We have two strains of bacteria - one is traditionally modified and one is genetically modified," said the source. "It's got a modified enzyme. It has one amino acid different."

Aspartame, of course, has been linked to brain tumors and other health conditions. Amazingly, one showed that of 48 rats experimented on, up to 67 percent of all female rats developed tumors roughly the size of golf balls or larger.

Sources for this article include:
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/Monsanto_de...
http://www.monsanto.com/weedmanagem...
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/Bt_resistan...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...
http://www.enveurope.com/content/23...


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luvsdaty

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Farmed salmon, the balogna of the sea. Actually i don't have any problem with farmed salmon,i only have a problem with them raising them in open pens. If they raised them in closed containment, i wouldn't have a problem with it.Would i ever eat farmed salmon? mmmmmmmmmmmm no.
 
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