WTF is the matter with kids these days
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Meh...
jesuschrist is showing his age. Kids have been useless and scorned by their elders since ancient times.
There's nothing new under the sun.
jesuschrist is showing his age. Kids have been useless and scorned by their elders since ancient times.
There's nothing new under the sun.
That's what happens when you can't kick the living shit out of them any more
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Seriously though, the kids these days have no fear of repercussions any more, mommy and daddy are always there to bail them out. Plus there are simply more and more things to blame bad behavior on...
...Seriously though, the kids these days have no fear of repercussions any more, mommy and daddy are always there to bail them out. Plus there are simply more and more things to blame bad behavior on...
I disagree with a lot of this, reality is how you see it and every person's is different. I have 3 boys, all treated the same, all had the same "benefits", attention etc. My 2 youngest work their butts off, go to school, play sports etc. they stay out of trouble and are quite respectable. My oldest son is some what respectable, but LAZY and always on a pity trip (which has grown old and tiresome, the rest of us pay no mind to any of it), he has a brilliant mind but chooses not use to it. It's not always about parenting or what's new/hip etc. it's about their own choices and how they perceive their own reality.
Remember one thing, for those of you complaining about kids these days, I'm sure your parents complained about your tendencies as a kid too - I know mine did. The same could be said about some adults I encounter within this business and my other businesses on occasion, not exactly the cream of the crop either, every individual is different and nobody is to blame, but themselves, if people can't decipher reality from fiction (ie: movie characters, rappers etc.) that's their problem and if it's your problem, it's because you allow it to be as such.
Remember one thing, for those of you complaining about kids these days, I'm sure your parents complained about your tendencies as a kid too - I know mine did. The same could be said about some adults I encounter within this business and my other businesses on occasion, not exactly the cream of the crop either, every individual is different and nobody is to blame, but themselves, if people can't decipher reality from fiction (ie: movie characters, rappers etc.) that's their problem and if it's your problem, it's because you allow it to be as such.
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That's happened to a lady I used to know, she went into the store to buy her daughter some milk and gave the guy change - yes there were some pennies and the guy in the store refused to take them and kept trying to kick her out of the store. So you can give them out, but not take them? I told her to stay right where she was and walked to the back, got her some more milk and bought it for her - threw the money on the counter and told the guy it was the last time I would be in that store and it was. Even though it was super convenient (right downstairs in my building) I refused to give him any more money for treating her like he did.
Be the change you want to see in the world - Gandhi
Its such a different world, than the one i grew up in.When i was a kid, as soon as breakfast was over & the chores where done, we got kicked out of the house.If we weren't within hollering distance of our mom, we caught hell when dad got home. We where expected to stay out & play with our friends until the street lights came on or dinner was ready(lunch was usually at a friends house)
Unfortunately assholes like Clifford Olson changed that way of life for every generation that has followed me :-(. When i was growing up all you needed as a boy was a bike, baseball glove, hockey stick oh & hockey cards to put in the spokes of your bike! & a couple of your best buddies. It's really sad that kids nowadays can't go out on there own & explore with there friends...... You definately wouldn't see such an obsession over material crap, cus kids nowadays spend so much time on the computer,watching t.v.(stupid commercials telling them to bug mommy & daddy to buy them more useless crap) or texting.Seriously what 15 yr old kid needs a $600 i phone?
Unfortunately assholes like Clifford Olson changed that way of life for every generation that has followed me :-(. When i was growing up all you needed as a boy was a bike, baseball glove, hockey stick oh & hockey cards to put in the spokes of your bike! & a couple of your best buddies. It's really sad that kids nowadays can't go out on there own & explore with there friends...... You definately wouldn't see such an obsession over material crap, cus kids nowadays spend so much time on the computer,watching t.v.(stupid commercials telling them to bug mommy & daddy to buy them more useless crap) or texting.Seriously what 15 yr old kid needs a $600 i phone?
its a funny topic for this site.
its not the kids. its there parents.
you got to look back a generation,
i look around talk to the guys at work, how many of them are divorced.
you look at people there trouble at work, and guess what there kids are trouble.
its not the kids its there parents that have lost there values, were the first generation i think were both parents work, my mom stayed at home for most of my youth, so did all of my buddies in school. moms were at home.
my generation both parents work, cars mortgage big sreen tv. mexico vactions, etc,
my generation, there is so much out there we can buy, like never before,
i was poor as a kid, but never really knew it
now its like bmw's mercdes big fucking suv's
big fucking mansion of a house with like three people living in it.
and shit when i went to school, who did you cry to, because some one bullied you, there was no one.
now this generation, well we created all these do nothing jobs, like social work, and therapits. so these kids have a place to go and cry. before you just sucked it up and dealt with it.
naw my friend, its not the kids. its us, this baby boomer generation or gen x, or whatever the hell you want to call it.
let a person be lazy and they will be lazy let a person cry and whine, they will.
my generation, no body wanted to hear you bitch and whine, now we have all these social workers.
its not the kids. its there parents.
you got to look back a generation,
i look around talk to the guys at work, how many of them are divorced.
you look at people there trouble at work, and guess what there kids are trouble.
its not the kids its there parents that have lost there values, were the first generation i think were both parents work, my mom stayed at home for most of my youth, so did all of my buddies in school. moms were at home.
my generation both parents work, cars mortgage big sreen tv. mexico vactions, etc,
my generation, there is so much out there we can buy, like never before,
i was poor as a kid, but never really knew it
now its like bmw's mercdes big fucking suv's
big fucking mansion of a house with like three people living in it.
and shit when i went to school, who did you cry to, because some one bullied you, there was no one.
now this generation, well we created all these do nothing jobs, like social work, and therapits. so these kids have a place to go and cry. before you just sucked it up and dealt with it.
naw my friend, its not the kids. its us, this baby boomer generation or gen x, or whatever the hell you want to call it.
let a person be lazy and they will be lazy let a person cry and whine, they will.
my generation, no body wanted to hear you bitch and whine, now we have all these social workers.
I read all your posts so far. Most were very good, particularly from the ladies (no, I am not pandering. I NEVER pander. Pandering is for desperate men). I tell it straight, and if you don't like it, deal with it constructively.
Anyways, one theme has been to blame the parents. I view this as an easy scapegoat. The reality is that times have changed, society has changed, and kids have changed.
Today kids are capable, and knowingly capable at that, of adult actions. In generations past, kids did not act like adults nor did they dare to think like adults. Today, though we think it often laughable, they do try to do adult things and try to think in adult ways. In short, I think kids are not the same as the kids of previous generations were.
They need to start taking responsibility for their actions, and we need to give them the freedom they crave and enforce the responsibility. Give them the vote, let them drive, let them have sex, let them quit school, let them go out and get a job. let them bad mouth people, let them act like sluts and whores, let them get data plans with their smart phones, let them smoke cigarettes and weed and drink (they do it anyways), let them do whatever Brittany Spears and Justin Timbershithead says to do - but don't catch them if they fall.
The only trouble with us is that we still think of them as kids when clearly they don't want to be. We feel bad for them, we wish they could be kids like we used to be, we feel sorry they can't get a job (yet to support their expensive handbags or 20" rims for their cars) so we let them stay at home, etc. We didn't set a bad example because our example was set to us by our parents and we live the way they taught us to live. Instead, we accommodated bad behaviour of the generation younger than us.
Let's lower the voting age. Let's lower the age of independence from parents. Let's lower the age at which they can be employed. Let's lower the age of consent (but keep the relative-age between partners thing going). Let's lower the age where they can get financial credit. Lower the age for buying tobacco and alcohol. Remove the age for licensing of vehicles, firearms, becoming a broker or doctor or lawyer, etc. Let go of the parents legal responsibility of their kids for a younger age. Let's completely get rid of the juvenile crime laws and prosecute and punish them as full adults: they know if you whack someone on the head with a baseball bat many many times, that is murder, so give them 25 years to life.
The year 2012 is not 1980. Society is very different today than it was, and so are kids.
Anyways, one theme has been to blame the parents. I view this as an easy scapegoat. The reality is that times have changed, society has changed, and kids have changed.
Today kids are capable, and knowingly capable at that, of adult actions. In generations past, kids did not act like adults nor did they dare to think like adults. Today, though we think it often laughable, they do try to do adult things and try to think in adult ways. In short, I think kids are not the same as the kids of previous generations were.
They need to start taking responsibility for their actions, and we need to give them the freedom they crave and enforce the responsibility. Give them the vote, let them drive, let them have sex, let them quit school, let them go out and get a job. let them bad mouth people, let them act like sluts and whores, let them get data plans with their smart phones, let them smoke cigarettes and weed and drink (they do it anyways), let them do whatever Brittany Spears and Justin Timbershithead says to do - but don't catch them if they fall.
The only trouble with us is that we still think of them as kids when clearly they don't want to be. We feel bad for them, we wish they could be kids like we used to be, we feel sorry they can't get a job (yet to support their expensive handbags or 20" rims for their cars) so we let them stay at home, etc. We didn't set a bad example because our example was set to us by our parents and we live the way they taught us to live. Instead, we accommodated bad behaviour of the generation younger than us.
Let's lower the voting age. Let's lower the age of independence from parents. Let's lower the age at which they can be employed. Let's lower the age of consent (but keep the relative-age between partners thing going). Let's lower the age where they can get financial credit. Lower the age for buying tobacco and alcohol. Remove the age for licensing of vehicles, firearms, becoming a broker or doctor or lawyer, etc. Let go of the parents legal responsibility of their kids for a younger age. Let's completely get rid of the juvenile crime laws and prosecute and punish them as full adults: they know if you whack someone on the head with a baseball bat many many times, that is murder, so give them 25 years to life.
The year 2012 is not 1980. Society is very different today than it was, and so are kids.
This proves that most of people in Canada don't know what happens around the world! Canada is part of the world and competing with other countries. For god's sake, listen to world news. :doh:
Pretty much describes my childhood Luvsdaty, we are observers of a society that took pleasure in the work we did that resulted in a feeling of accomplishment, to a society that is seeking insta gratification or it is not worth the time or effort. This of course is not how everyone thinks or acts, but it is a growing trend, that is disturbingly gaining more and more ground with every new generation.
I can say there have been a few times in my life where I almost fell into that category, but thankfully my common sense reaserted itself and allowed me to stear away from it.
Also Kudos Lady Via, a very well written post and something I have talked about with my friends, three of them have kids and we had a discussion about this just a week ago and pretty much came to a similar conclusion, it gave me a chuckle to see it surface here again.
The 1980's was where it pretty much started, when both parents realised they both had to work full time jobs in order to ensure financial security for the family unit, thus the latchkey kid era began and children were left to thier own devices unless they had a neighbor to check up on things(like my parents did) and make sure the kids are behaving. Now we have parents working 50 to 60 hours a week and we see the results every day with kids that do what ever, when ever.
Humans are becoming insular, with all the ways to communicate with another person and not even be face to face is starting to retard interpersonal skills and how to act in a social setting, I refer to it as "Technological Autism" as more and more people rely on a electronic format for communication "Twitter, Facebook, etc.".
Yup everything is changing including kids, parents, etc. But one thing doesn't change is responsibility!
Younger generations are definitly feeling more entitled now-a-days. Somewhat like when they get a job they believe that the employer is there to provide for them a paycheck whereas when I get a job I believe I'm there to provide the employer with quality work. This however is only really noticable in the slightly below average to slightly above average in ability people. I still meet just as many younger people in poorer situations (not as much ability, money, opportunity or need to deal with adversity) who will work their tails off and understand this is how they'll be able to elevate themselves. As well the people that were born with genuine talent seem to still honor that ability and work hard on using it (such as the graduating class of a university which built their crippled friend a set of bionic robotic legs for a graduation project).
And I do not know how old the OP is, but I'm assuming he is at least 2 generations older than myself (early 30's here). As there was definitly more than one slut in our classes. Not that we cared or shunned anyone for it. Sex has just become more open and accepted as time has passed. We didn't have bj parties, but at 16-18 if we were at a party I can garuntee that sex was going on somewhere in that house. Only time it wouldn't was if there was no way to get any kind of decent privacy.
And I do not know how old the OP is, but I'm assuming he is at least 2 generations older than myself (early 30's here). As there was definitly more than one slut in our classes. Not that we cared or shunned anyone for it. Sex has just become more open and accepted as time has passed. We didn't have bj parties, but at 16-18 if we were at a party I can garuntee that sex was going on somewhere in that house. Only time it wouldn't was if there was no way to get any kind of decent privacy.
just curious,
how many of us are parents here.
again its a funny topic for this site
and if you are a parent how are your kids doing.
im not going to enjoy the day, when i have to explain to my kids what im doing here,
i mean, you teach your kids well to do the right thing right respect,
and guess what, where are there parents, particpating in an illegal activitiy,
basiclly giving up and following one of the shallowest basic human emotions sex and greed.
seriously, look at our self first, this hobby is based on greed, and self satisfaction, in the shallowest form.
who are we kidding.
ah respect, is, something that is given,
not taken
respect is something that you find with in your self.
and share
you raise kids by example,
its like the old say don't drink don't smoke
but i left my fucking smokes in the bar.
if you have kids they see everything hear everything, you can't lie to them,
the only way to raise kids is by behaving properly yourself.
not demanding respect and love from your kids
but by earning it
and again its a funny conversation considering where we are and what were involved in.
were pretty much in one of the most selfish self seeking passtimes,
have any of us looked in the mirror
how many of us are parents here.
again its a funny topic for this site
and if you are a parent how are your kids doing.
im not going to enjoy the day, when i have to explain to my kids what im doing here,
i mean, you teach your kids well to do the right thing right respect,
and guess what, where are there parents, particpating in an illegal activitiy,
basiclly giving up and following one of the shallowest basic human emotions sex and greed.
seriously, look at our self first, this hobby is based on greed, and self satisfaction, in the shallowest form.
who are we kidding.
ah respect, is, something that is given,
not taken
respect is something that you find with in your self.
and share
you raise kids by example,
its like the old say don't drink don't smoke
but i left my fucking smokes in the bar.
if you have kids they see everything hear everything, you can't lie to them,
the only way to raise kids is by behaving properly yourself.
not demanding respect and love from your kids
but by earning it
and again its a funny conversation considering where we are and what were involved in.
were pretty much in one of the most selfish self seeking passtimes,
have any of us looked in the mirror
Ummm ... it's not illegal activity and what, we're all supposed to go sexless? There's nothing wrong with going out and having fun, as long as you do it responsibly. Are your kids starving because you're going out and getting your noodle wet? If so, then that would be irresponsible, but if you're taking care of your parental duties, I see nothing wrong with it.
Everyone is responsible for their own actions and their own choices, everybody is so busy pointing fingers at someone else, not you in particular, I'm just saying in general, people do that, I've done it, we've all done it, but we've got to stop doing it.
Parents are taught that kids need to be medicated to deal with problems instead of solving/dealing with these issues the old fashioned/normal way. How is a child supposed to ever learn responsibility when they are offered a pill to opt out at such a young age? Parents going along with this is the worst thing. What does that tell the kid? It's fine to not have to deal with any problems they created? Just pop a pill and things will be ok? No wonder there are so many junkies.
You can thank child protective services. Kids are told to call CPS to report parents doing something wrong. What kind hasn't gotten mad at parents... parenting.
What they dont tell you is that CPS is 11 times more likely to molest your kids.
http://www.cyc-net.org/features/ft-unAmerican.html
http://www.scragged.com/articles/child-protection-agencies-do-more-harm-than-good
http://protectingourchildrenfrombeingsold.wordpress.com/about/how-safe-is-the-system-it-isnt/
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/a/2004/05/02/EDGC76DA4O1.DTL
You can thank child protective services. Kids are told to call CPS to report parents doing something wrong. What kind hasn't gotten mad at parents... parenting.
What they dont tell you is that CPS is 11 times more likely to molest your kids.
http://www.cyc-net.org/features/ft-unAmerican.html
http://www.scragged.com/articles/child-protection-agencies-do-more-harm-than-good
http://protectingourchildrenfrombeingsold.wordpress.com/about/how-safe-is-the-system-it-isnt/
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/a/2004/05/02/EDGC76DA4O1.DTL
I dont have children but if I did they would know how to behave in public.....I have seen pretty much everything with regards to ill-behaved kids and I just shake my head and think the parents are doing a pathetic job...if I tried any of that shit on my father when I was a kid there was an immediate reponse from him and I knew the consequences if I made a scene after being dealt with....and being dealt with was extremely rare as my father who raised 3 sons by himself did it properly...he ingrained good manners into all 3 of us with regards to how to behave and how to treat other people.
With regards to kids getting handed everything on a silver platter....that again is bad parenting....when I was a kid I did get a weekly allowance and I did not go without on my birthday or at Christmas but if I wanted something I had to get it myself...which meant I had to work for it....shovelling sidewalk's at -20 in Calgary during the winter sure makes you learn the value of money....same goes for doing yardwork in the summer or washing cars or collecting bottles/cans....all at the young age of 8.....kids dont do that anymore....they are too busy playing video games supplied by their parents.
Our society has changed a great deal from when I was a kid and so has the way parents raise their children.
SR
With regards to kids getting handed everything on a silver platter....that again is bad parenting....when I was a kid I did get a weekly allowance and I did not go without on my birthday or at Christmas but if I wanted something I had to get it myself...which meant I had to work for it....shovelling sidewalk's at -20 in Calgary during the winter sure makes you learn the value of money....same goes for doing yardwork in the summer or washing cars or collecting bottles/cans....all at the young age of 8.....kids dont do that anymore....they are too busy playing video games supplied by their parents.
Our society has changed a great deal from when I was a kid and so has the way parents raise their children.
SR
I agree with Hunka, i've seen so many parents love there children unconditionally,but where the worst parents in the world.Always caving into to every little hissy fit that the child had,My uncle use to cave into his daughter all the time(she had him wrapped around her finger) And she's one of the most horrible people i know It's all me me me with her, & yes she's all about the instant gratification.As a parent you can't be there best friend when there growing up,sometimes you gotta be an asshole & say no(your not doing them any favours by caving in) Respect? yes it's a two way street,i was very fortunate in that i had two of the best parents in the world.Sure i got smacked when i was being an asshole, but it kept me in my place.There's not a day that goes by where i don't thank the creator for the parents that he/she gave me.Unconditional love? my parents had unconditional love for me, even when my dad was on his death bed dying of cancer,he was more worried about me & the rest of his family....My dad had unconditional love for his children, but he also had the common sense to say no to them when he knew what they where doing was wrong or going to hurt them, just because someone doesn't talk to you doesn't mean they don't love you unconditionally.
I've done a lot of things in my life that dissapointed my parents, but i'd like to think i've learned from my mistakes.
I've done a lot of things in my life that dissapointed my parents, but i'd like to think i've learned from my mistakes.
