Chinese government trying to stop women marrying for money

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China hits hip pocket in a blitz on divorce
Malcolm Moore
August 23, 2011


SHANGHAI: With divorce rates soaring and widespread worries about a culture of materialism, the Chinese government is now trying to stop women marrying for money.


In China's booming cities, prospective husbands are vetted about whether they own a house, and preferably also a car, before a match can be agreed.

In an attempt to temper the expectations of Chinese women, the Supreme Court has ruled that the person who buys the family home, or the parents who advance them the money, will get to keep it in the event of a divorce.

''Hopefully this will help educate younger people, especially younger women, to be more independent, and to think of marriage in the right way rather than worshipping money so much,'' Hu Jiachu, a lawyer in Hunan province, said.

The ruling should help relieve the burden on young men, many of whom fret about the difficulty of buying an apartment. China's property bubble has driven property prices in Shanghai up to $7934 per square metre when annual salaries average just $9521.

''There are more and more girls who want to marry rich men and improve their financial position. It has been a notable increase,'' Wang Zhiguo, a consultant at Baihe, a Beijing-based matchmaking website, said. ''Most pretty girls now try to trade on their beauty. It is an unhealthy trend and the government is now trying to restrict it.''

Recent statistics show there were 2.68 million divorces last year and divorces have multiplied at almost the same speed as the economy has grown: by 7 per cent a year for five years.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/china-h...-on-divorce-20110822-1j6lc.html#ixzz1WqaG0sN5
 

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Chinese women are turning into North American women...how sad...
 
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Nice topic. I'm always interested in learning about societal trends in other parts of the world.

Divorces are still less common in China than in Canada, although the trends are heading in opposite directions. Canada’s divorce rate was 2.2 per 1,000 in 2005, down from over 3.6 per 1,000 in 1987.
Does this mean that the common saying that "50% of marriages end in divorce" is B.S.? Judging empirically based on my own circle of friends, I would've guessed it was even higher than that.

A survey released on Valentine’s Day this year found that only 38 per cent of women would be willing to enter a so-called “naked marriage,” the popular term for a wedding held without first purchasing a house and car.
In other words, a "naked marriage" isn't nearly as fun as one might expect.

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seems getting serious, the government has to stand up for women and men.

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China hits hip pocket in a blitz on divorce
Malcolm Moore
August 23, 2011


SHANGHAI: With divorce rates soaring and widespread worries about a culture of materialism, the Chinese government is now trying to stop women marrying for money.


In China's booming cities, prospective husbands are vetted about whether they own a house, and preferably also a car, before a match can be agreed.

In an attempt to temper the expectations of Chinese women, the Supreme Court has ruled that the person who buys the family home, or the parents who advance them the money, will get to keep it in the event of a divorce.

''Hopefully this will help educate younger people, especially younger women, to be more independent, and to think of marriage in the right way rather than worshipping money so much,'' Hu Jiachu, a lawyer in Hunan province, said.

The ruling should help relieve the burden on young men, many of whom fret about the difficulty of buying an apartment. China's property bubble has driven property prices in Shanghai up to $7934 per square metre when annual salaries average just $9521.

''There are more and more girls who want to marry rich men and improve their financial position. It has been a notable increase,'' Wang Zhiguo, a consultant at Baihe, a Beijing-based matchmaking website, said. ''Most pretty girls now try to trade on their beauty. It is an unhealthy trend and the government is now trying to restrict it.''

Recent statistics show there were 2.68 million divorces last year and divorces have multiplied at almost the same speed as the economy has grown: by 7 per cent a year for five years.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/china-h...-on-divorce-20110822-1j6lc.html#ixzz1WqaG0sN5
 

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Chinese women are turning into North American women...how sad...
oh wathever, sour puss. :rolleyes: :p


What do you think is going to happen when there are way more males than females? I'm not sure how long they think they will even be able to get away with this new law? Who do you think holds more power in this little game? The women are just becoming very aware of their "value" to men looking to get married. It's just common sense. I think it's a rather interesting challenge the Chinese will continue to face in the coming years. The shortage of women everywhere, not just as brides, is going to make for some interested power shifts between genders. The older males can resist it as much as they want now but it's not going to change the huge gender ratio imbalance; the excess males and missing females. They're going to have to face what that will mean and won't have any other choice but to accept and deal with this new reality.

Demand=High - Offer=Low -- Value=High

Interesting turn of events for sure. Chinese women will have Chinese men by the balls, you know. As a result, in some sense, Chinese women might also have the world by the balls.. through Chinese men. I'd say that far exceeds any accomplishment of even the most radical North American feminists...no? Watch out. LOL
 

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In China, white man loses mojo
By Kent Ewing

HONG KONG - As if formerly high-flying Western bankers and financiers haven't suffered enough, now there is an additional indignity: Chinese women have lost interest in them.

According to two recent nationwide surveys by the matchmaking website hongniang.com, mainland women keen on finding a foreign partner plunged from 42% to 16% over the past year.

For that dramatic decline, you can blame the financial crisis, which has made Western society - especially its male avatars - look unstable to Chinese women considering their romantic (which tends to be intimately linked to their financial) future.

The decline of the white man's mojo had been evident in Hong Kong since the handover from British rule in 1997, with dating services reporting that it is rare these days for Chinese women in the city to seek a Western partner. While the British ruled and ensconced themselves in posh homes on Victoria Peak and other exclusive areas in Hong Kong, there was often a cachet attached to dating a Westerner, especially an Englishman.

But that era has passed, as has any sense of Chinese inferiority. Economically, Hong Kong, a city of seven million people, caught up with its Western counterparts well before the handover. Using the Atlas method of calculation, Hong Kong's per capita income as of 2007 was US$31,610, according to the World Bank.

By contrast, despite 30 years of scintillating economic growth, most of the 1.3 billion people living on the mainland, where per capita income stands at US$2,360, are still waiting for their pot of gold. Still, per capita income figures can be misleading in a country as big and rapidly developing as China. Poverty abounds in the countryside, but China's club of millionaires is growing faster than in any other country in the world. Its cities, especially in the east, are booming and creating a huge urban-rural income gap.

Urban women, the same ones who used to hanker after Western men, are sharing in this boom. As their economic boats rise with the general tide, they are also becoming much pickier about the mates they choose.

Mixed marriages, which reached 400,000 last year, had been on a steady rise in China until the US subprime mortgage crisis started a global financial meltdown that has turned a Western partner into a poor prospect in the eyes of many Chinese women. Not only do the hongniang.com surveys show the number of women seeking a foreign mate has dropped significantly, but approval of such unions has also fallen by 20%.

While all this should be good news for Chinese men, their prospects also don't look terribly bright. China's one-child policy, coupled with a traditional preference for male children, has created a gender imbalance that will leave already choosy Chinese women even choosier. And, no matter what choices those women make, 32 million Chinese men face a future without any hope of marriage, according to a study published online last week by the British Medical Journal.

An army of scholars is busy contemplating the possible social consequences of this prodigious lonely hearts club of mostly only-child males - and so far their collective conclusion is that none of them are good.

Meanwhile, the sudden jilting of foreigners tends to confirm a long-held Western stereotype of Chinese women as gold-diggers who would not recognize love if it hit them in the face. If you take a broader perspective, however, there are clear reasons for this cold-hearted materialism that go straight to the heart of the big social challenges that China faces in the 21st century.

With no viable health care or social security system in place, there is little room for love when women are planning a future. Indeed, while they may well recognize the emotion, they would be foolish to act on it.

Life, marriage included, is all about earning and saving in country where a serious illness or accident could leave you and your family penniless. Moreover, while Chinese women have made great advances in education, they still face commonplace discrimination in employment. A rich husband often remains their best option for financial security.

Of course, a woman would have to be an urbanite to even start thinking like this, or to care about surveys launched by the likes of hongniang.com. More than 50% of Chinese continue to live in the impoverished countryside - but they dream of the good life in the city and, as China's relentless urban migration continues, many of their children and most of their grandchildren will be city dwellers.

Will future generations be as materialistic as their forbears in matters of the heart? Of course, they will - until, that is, people no longer have to worry about squirreling away most of their income to pay for education, health care and retirement. This propensity to save rather than spend has become a headache for economic planners now that increased domestic consumption is needed to compensate for shrinking Chinese exports in the global economic downturn.

Despite government prodding to act more like their profligate consumer counterparts in the West, the Chinese are unlikely to relinquish their status as the world's biggest savers until they feel more secure about the future. And Chinese women show no signs of dropping their view of well-heeled men as the best possible insurance policy for that future. Love is a luxury they can ill afford.

Certainly, there are also many in the West (both men and women) who size up their prospective partner's wallet before they consult their hearts. In the 19th century most Western women were even more pecuniary in their marital outlook than Chinese women are today. Read just about any European novel of the time to confirm this view, with the work of English writers Jane Austen and George Eliot (the pen name for Mary Ann Evans), among others, standing out.

Ultimately, what everyone in China needs is a system that offers some assurance of financial security. Then they can feel free to wax romantic.

Beijing's long-awaited release last week of a 13,000-word government blueprint on health care reform should help to ease this collective sense of insecurity, but it is also a reminder of how dicey medical care is in China today. Even public hospitals are routinely guilty of price-gouging in the runaway capitalism that has infected the country's medical sector, leaving basic health care services unaffordable for the poor and a reach for the middle class.

The new scheme aims to make basic health care and medical insurance available to every Chinese citizen by 2020. How such an expensive and ambitious plan will be implemented, however, remains a huge question mark.

Until that and many other questions are answered, the Chinese will continue their cautionary habit of saving for an uncertain future, and personal relationships will be grounded more in economic reality than emotional attachment.

In the end, the Chinese economic experiment may also be an experiment in love - yet another reason to hope that it succeeds.
 

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Does this mean that the common saying that "50% of marriages end in divorce" is B.S.? Judging empirically based on my own circle of friends, I would've guessed it was even higher than that.
The statistic you quoted is based on the total number of divorces in a particular year, not the percentage of marriages that end in divorce.
 

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oh wathever, sour puss. :rolleyes: :p

Interesting turn of events for sure. Chinese women will have Chinese men by the balls, you know. As a result, in some sense, Chinese women might also have the world by the balls.. through Chinese men. I'd say that far exceeds any accomplishment of even the most radical North American feminists...no? Watch out. LOL
You do realize that in China it is a cultural reality that male babies are preferred over the less desirable female babies?

Even when I ask my friends with children they all tell me the same thing they'd rather have boys than girls - and that girls are a pain in the ass.
 

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You do realize that in China it is a cultural reality that male babies are preferred over the less desirable female babies?

Yes, I realize this. And it's not limited to China. India is going to have that same problem, for the same reason. Not to mention, these cultural beliefs are also present in most of Asia and the gender ratios are unbalanced in many other countries. People might have to change their tune when all of their sons can't find a wife, you know, the person needed to pop out the kids necessary if one is going to pass on the family name...


While I was joking, some of what I was saying was serious. The fact that China, like many other countries with skewed gender ratios that result in an excess of males and not enough females, will have to deal with the outcome from years of selectively having boys and ending pregnancies (or other methods *ahem*) to avoid having girls. With something like 36 millions of males with no females to marry by 2050, boys won't exactly be the blessing they have been. If they can't find wives, they're not going to be having babies either. That's very real and no joke. And the consequences will also be just as real.


Add to that, the fact that marriage is appearing to be less and less attractive to Chinese women, a trend that increases along with higher levels of education and the extreme unbalanced between responsibilities of each gender within marriage, which makes working and marriage even less appealing to women (on average, women work 40hrs and an additional 30hrs at home....men? something like 3hrs). China doesn't have all kinds of services and social assistance to care for its again population, like we do. Chinese depend on family and expect children (which is one reason they favor males, as males are the ones traditionally likely to be able to step up and have the financial means to care for their parents when they are old and/or sick) to step in and take them in when they are old or sick.




Even when I ask my friends with children they all tell me the same thing they'd rather have boys than girls - and that girls are a pain in the ass.

lol I call total BS on that comment. Either that or your friends, all of them who have kids, are douches. Either way, you know which of these it is and personally, I don't particularly care. Besides, not sure how girls are a pain in ass to have any more than boys. And in fact, I think boys are generally far more of a pain in the ass to raise than girls are (obviously there are exceptions) but I doubt this is really likely to lead to parents preferring one sex over the other.


We're all aware of your contempt for women, that's nothing new. But you seem to mistakenly believe that is shared by all males, which you turn into claims and statements of fact that in reality are no more than your own assumptions that all men share your dislike of women. It might make you feel justified when you extend your own misogyny to all men and this might be a very disappointing reality to hear but most decent men don't have resentment and contempt as top views of women.


Like you said, the gender imbalance in China (like many other countries) stems from a cultural preference. What you apparently didn't grasp is that it isn't because people just like boys better and think girls are "a pain the ass" or whatever arbitrary, trivial reason. If it was, it would have been very easy to point out they were douches, like your friends (or so you claim) and yourself (or so you've shown). Fortunately though, people have a bit more sense and the cultural practice is a little more complex than girls being "a pain in the ass". As I've mentioned, the preference comes from practical advantages and based on gender roles within society which determine that males are the ones who can fulfill these specific roles when parents are in need.


Part of it is due to physical and biological differences (ie physical help in rural areas that depend on agriculture for subsistence) and the rest only determined by cultural factors, such as men being the ones who pass on the family name or heritage and men being the family unit's decision makers with the means as the bread winner, who can thus be expected to care for aging and/or ill parents. If these societies (or ours for that matter) were not patriarchal as they are, all of these would also be completely different.


Considering that most societies are also seeing people move from rural to urban areas at high rates, the physical advantages of boys that were crucial in the past are becoming less and less so for people who depend less and less on agriculture or have more access to technological innovations and machines which offer even more than human beings can, even if they're male. What you get is less reason to justify that cultural preference, it becomes vulnerable and open to challenge. It becomes a matter of time before it's shattered, as it's slowly chipped away bit by bit.


More importantly, when you get millions of single men unable to find women to marry because they just don't exist and parents worrying who will care for them, they'll start to look at their daughters, knowing their chances of marrying are much higher, thus making it far more likely that they will be in a position to care for them. It will no longer be a matter of expecting that boys will guarantee this but instead will be a matter of looking to girls, knowing that only a girl can almost guarantee a family and home - therefore the ability to care for ill parents. Not boys, who are more likely to be unable to marry - but girls who's chances to marry are far greater.


I understand you're quite bitter and carry an impressive amount of resentment towards women, Chilli, but you should probably consider dealing with that eventually because even if it makes you feel better to believe that's just the way things really are and all men really think this way too, it's actually not the case and most men are actually quite balanced in their views of women. And it may be a huge shock for you to hear this but most men are actually extremely happy and feel blessed from their daughters. The world radically different than the way you've constructed it in your imagination.
 

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Does this mean that the common saying that "50% of marriages end in divorce" is B.S.? Judging empirically based on my own circle of friends, I would've guessed it was even higher than that.



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This is a surprise! So you mean 50% of Canadian marriage end up in divorce?
 

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And in fact, I think boys are generally far more of a pain in the ass to raise than girls are (obviously there are exceptions)
Explain please.
 

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Explain please.

Sure.

I realize I didn't properly explain what I meant (as my post was already long enough) and what I did write isn't completely accurate. I don't have any kids myself and if I was going to have any, I personally don't prefer one over the other, nor do I think one is totally or always more of a pain in the ass than the other. I do think boys and girls are very different in some ways and that many of the expectations we have, socially and especially within the education system, are more of a fit for girls than for boys, which creates problems for boys who struggle to behave and pay attention within that system. Those problems obviously become parents problems as boys, some more than others, have difficulty functioning and adapting to expectations that don't consider the specific differences between boys and girls.


Essentially, I don't think boys are necessarily more of a pain in the ass but rather that they are perceived to be that way because we don't acknowledge that boys and girls develop differently and at different times and we expect boys to function the way girls do and when they don't, we assume something wrong with them when really, there's something wrong with our expectations because they ignore some important gender differences.


So.... I don't think it means boys are more of a pain in the ass and I don't think it's boys' fault but I do think a lot of people do interpret it this way (which of course does not make it true). Does that make more sense? It actually wasn't meant as an absolute statement or one I personally endorsed. In hindsight, I probably should have instead said that a case could be made for boys being a pain in the ass just as much as for girls.. or something along those lines. That would have probably more accurately represented what I think because I don't actually believe that one is more of a pain in the ass than the other. In certain areas? For sure. But in the end, it's probably even and all kids, whether boys or girls, are more or less as much of a pain in the ass. :p
 

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Yes, I realize this. And it's not limited to China. India is going to have that same problem, for the same reason. Not to mention, these cultural beliefs are also present in most of Asia and the gender ratios are unbalanced in many other countries. People might have to change their tune when all of their sons can't find a wife, you know, the person needed to pop out the kids necessary if one is going to pass on the family name...


While I was joking, some of what I was saying was serious. The fact that China, like many other countries with skewed gender ratios that result in an excess of males and not enough females, will have to deal with the outcome from years of selectively having boys and ending pregnancies (or other methods *ahem*) to avoid having girls. With something like 36 millions of males with no females to marry by 2050, boys won't exactly be the blessing they have been. If they can't find wives, they're not going to be having babies either. That's very real and no joke. And the consequences will also be just as real.
But, since the men who are most desirable will be able to find wives, and those who are least desirable will not, it will have the effect of winnowing out the "weak" elements of society. In the animal kingdom in general dominant males maintain harems of females while the weakest males get nothing (and therefore don't pass on their genes). So, these societies might not be affected the way you think they might be. In a way it is sort of imposing the norm that exists among animals in general, by restricting the availability of females for reproduction to only certain males.
 

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lol I call total BS on that comment. Either that or your friends, all of them who have kids, are douches. Either way, you know which of these it is and personally, I don't particularly care. Besides, not sure how girls are a pain in ass to have any more than boys. And in fact, I think boys are generally far more of a pain in the ass to raise than girls are (obviously there are exceptions) but I doubt this is really likely to lead to parents preferring one sex over the other.
Lol, I agree with you on that, I would much rather have daughters than sons. Aside from the fact that they are generally less trouble to raise, they are also more likely to take care of you in your old age :)
 

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Econ 101: SUPPLY AND DEMAND!!!!! When supply goes down and demand goes up, guess wut? The equilibrium price SKYROCKETS!!!!!!!!!

China has already banned gender selection. If the prediction does come true, there will be a huge problem with high risks of social instability. Having an army of 20 million sexually frustrated young men only means one thing------- TROUBLE!!!!!
 

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No it doesn't. Marriage isnt the only way to get sex you know. There are lots of people, even in North America, for who marriage is not on the cards for a variety of reasons (such as poverty, drug/mental issues, lack of attractiveness, shyness etc etc). Last time I looked we weren't having problems with our "frustrated millions".

What the gender disparity will do is create a booming market for SPs.

The only thing the men in that society who are "left out" will have trouble doing is having a family.
 

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Lol, I agree with you on that, I would much rather have daughters than sons. Aside from the fact that they are generally less trouble to raise, they are also more likely to take care of you in your old age :)
In this society and others yes, but in traditional Chinese culture, the daughters leave home to live in the husband's home. So she will be taking care of his parents in their old age. If there is only one child, and the child is female, good chance there will be no one to take care of the parents.

Also, the culture, traditionally, is about matches, not love matches. Not sure why it would surprise anyone that a Chinese woman would typically be looking at savings, assets and earning potential when considering a match. To then go into a marriage where those assets would not be accessible to her if the marriage ends will not motivate them to get married.

So best of both worlds, she does sex work, makes her own income, buys her own home, and provides for her aging parents. In other words takes advantage of the imbalance in male/female ratio and provide what such a large segment of the population is not going to have access to.
 

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What do you think is going to happen when there are way more males than females? I'm not sure how long they think they will even be able to get away with this new law? Who do you think holds more power in this little game? The women are just becoming very aware of their "value" to men looking to get married. It's just common sense. I think it's a rather interesting challenge the Chinese will continue to face in the coming years. The shortage of women everywhere, not just as brides, is going to make for some interested power shifts between genders. The older males can resist it as much as they want now but it's not going to change the huge gender ratio imbalance; the excess males and missing females. They're going to have to face what that will mean and won't have any other choice but to accept and deal with this new reality.

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Interesting turn of events for sure. Chinese women will have Chinese men by the balls, you know. As a result, in some sense, Chinese women might also have the world by the balls.. through Chinese men. I'd say that far exceeds any accomplishment of even the most radical North American feminists...no? Watch out. LOL
You make the sorts of arguments that show how far inside the box your thinking is, despite trying to show that you are on top of the box.

Chinese women might have Chinese men, and possibly the world, "by the balls" so to speak... and this might be seen as some sort of accomplishment even by an extreme feminist. But this is predicated upon the same assumptions that have made women subordinate to men since the beginning of time.

As long as women continue to seek men as their financial security, they will never be independent. If they raise their daughters in a similar fashion, they condemn them to the same fate. The Chinese government was benevolent in their foresight towards women ( by forcing them to become independent ) even as reactionaries such as yourself would cry foul that this was unfair to them. Why, as a self-proclaimed feminist, would you not sneer at women who marry for money instead of earning it themselves - as earning it oneself removes one from dependence on men, and increases one's own value.

The other in-the-box thinking is your assumption that Chinese women have men by the balls because men need to marry these women. More and more men are realizing that marriage is a bad deal, especially if women are willing to prostitute themselves. Thus men's visceral needs can be fulfilled without any long term obligation. Nor do children provide the social security they once did, instead men are coming to realize they are nothing more than investing in nostalgia.

It is women who seem to "need" to have children. It is this "need" that makes them think they must depend on a man to bankroll the family that is in their agenda. That "need" is the core of the subordination of women to men. As well, women hold almost no power in the sexual arena - they don't have men by the balls. As she ages, the demand for her sexually declines. As she becomes a more frequent provider of sex to a man, the more he will want other women - who are all too willing to provide sex in exchange for material goods or a long term obligation (the core of which is based on materiality).

There is a lot of truth in that quote by that Chinese woman who said, "I would rather cry alone in a BMW than laugh with you on a bicycle". What she said is the core of womanhood for as long as women disempower themselves over and over again.
 
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