Communication Breakdown

Man Mountain

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I wrote this offline and it is really long but I wanted to make it as detailed as possible so that I could get some possible perspectives from those who are patient enough to wade through it all.


There's a certain lady that I've wanted to see for a long time. For reasons that I don't feel like going into right now, I don't particularly like to pre book appointments these days. So, my rule of late has been primarily to try to contact ladies that are actively advertising on the day that I'm interested in having a session. And my luck with that has been pretty good over the past few months. But I've also kept my eye open for ads from this specific lady and I always seem to be missing when she posts by a day or two.

Yesterday, I decided that I was in the mood and I thought I'd start by doing a quick search for any ads by this specific lady. It turns out that she had posted an ad on Monday but in the ad, she posted that she had availability all through the week and therefore seemed open to being contacted. I figured it couldn't hurt to try. So, after dinner -- a little after 7 PM, I tried to call her. She answered but was kind of abrupt. It sounded like she was in the middle of dealing with something frustrating.

I should note that I have talked to her on the phone once before and that was a pleasant conversation. But that was also some time ago and I wouldn't have expected her to remember that. I also didn't have a chance to mention it to her last night during the very brief time we talked. Basically, all I had time to do was say hello and my name before she asked if it would be okay if she called me back. I figured she meant that she'd call back within a few minutes and I basically said, "Yeah, sure!"

After surfing the web for about 40 minutes, I thought maybe I'd try to send her a text. I should note here that while I'm pretty adept with most technology, for whatever reason, I'm just not particularly good with cell phones. I have an old phone that a friend gave me about a year ago because I really do just use it for the basics. I'm not interested in tweeting or surfing the net on the thing. (As I don't realy use it that much, I just have one of those Roger's "Pay as you go" deals.) And the truth is, I only just figured out how to send texts on the thing a few weeks ago. But I figure that's what all the kids are doing today with their hippity hop music and sending the texts... :D And I thought that under the circumstances, a text wouldn't be the same thing as bothering her again with another phone call and since time is a factor when you're thinking about setting up a "same night" session, this way I could see if she was available or if I should start exploring other options for the evening.

Since I'm a relative newb when it comes to texting, it takes me a while to type out my thoughts on the number pad thing. Plus, it's a number pad thing and not a qwerty keypad like some of those newer phones. Ugh. Honestly, it's extremely frustrating to type out even the simplest thoughts. And it seems you have to do it in 160 characters or less! Makes it difficult for an overly verbose old timer like myself. :D

So, I manage to type out that I was the one who called 40 minutes earlier. It was probably closer to 45 by the time I finished typing it all out. And that I was wondering if she had any availability that evening. She responds fairly quickly noting that she could probably make some time and asking me when I was thinking.

So, the damn text ball is back in my court and I try to keep it short this time. It's getting close to 8 PM and I like to have a couple of hours to get ready and factor in travel time. I respond that I'm looking for a one hour call at 10 or 10:30. Again, her response is pretty quick. "Yeah I can do that! 10:30 it is! See you then!" I get another text immediately on the heels of that one giving me an approximate location. I have no idea how she can possibly "text type" that fast!

My problem is that I have a number of physical appearance insecurities that I like to run past the ladies that I hope to see to make sure that a lady is comfortable with the idea of seeing me before I let her commit and confirm. So, now I text back, asking if it would be okay if we talked on the phone real quick first before committing.

It's also at about this time that I notice that the battery on the cell is now running very low. I guess between my overly slow "text typing" and it being such an old phone, it put quite the strain on the power consumption. I leave it on but plug it in to recharge.

Some time passes before she responds with a text that talking on the phone is not really an option. So, now I'm standing there with the charger plugged in (not as unwieldy as it sounds but also not as convenient as when I was doing it from the comfort of a lounge chair in the living room) and trying to type out a text about my concerns. AND trying to do it all in a 160 character limit text.

I send the text and notice that the time is now 8:20 PM! Basically, I HAVE to start getting ready now if I'm going to make a 10:30 appointment. I go and take a very thorough shower, which is part of my standard getting ready ritual before going for a session. After I'm out and all dried off, I go straight back to the phone to check for the reply to my last text. There isn't one.

At this point, I try to call. It rings a number of times then something weird happens. It suddenly starts ringing faster and goes to voice mail, which is full. So, again I labour out another text message to note that I have not yet received a response to my previous text and would really just like to make sure that she'd be comfortable seeing me given my insecurities. I think that it's right after sending that message that the phone lets me know that the battery is once again fully charged. I take it with me to the bathroom as I continue to get ready.

I brush my teeth with the phone nearby. No calls nor texts come in. It's getting close to the time that I should be leaving if I'm going to make a 10:30 appt time downtown. I try calling again. This time only one normal ring before the oddly super speedy ringing starts. Again, there's no answer but this time when it stops ringing, I get a message saying that the "number you're trying to reach is not in service." So, I labour out yet another text to let her know that and that I just need a confirmation as to whether or not we're still on.

It's almost 10 at this point and I still haven't shaved yet. I haven't heard from her at all in over an hour and a half at this point but thinking that a call or text could come at any moment, I figure I'd rather be freshly shaved for a session even if it means I'd end up being a few minutes late. By the time I'm done, I still have received no texts or call from her.

I can't remember if I tried to text again after that but I did try to call one last time at around 10:25. And again, no answer. At that point, I gave up and went back to the computer to surf for a bit. I kept the cell with me just in case. Around 10:40ish, I thought since I was all ready for a session, I might as well see if I could find any other options on erslist. I went 0 for 3 in my attempts. I played around on the social network part of it for a bit while I watched TV. You know, some nights when I'm just kind of surfing that site, I get hit up with private chats by some of the ladies that are up late but the one night I'm good to go -- nothing!

Suddenly, just after 12:30 AM, when I had forgotten that I still had the cell on and sitting right beside me, it makes the incoming text noise. It's from the lady. Here it is, verbatim: "What happened? I guess another time? Sorry if it was something I said. :("

And that leaves me having no idea what to think. I tried calling again to talk about it but, as before, it just did the crazy super speedy ringing with no answer and a message that the number was not in service. The number that I just got a text from! Okay... so I write yet another damn text to try to explain that I hadn't received any messages and couldn't get through on the phone. But now, I'm wondering if any of those damn texts were even getting through! Or if they got through to her but for whatever reason, her replies weren't getting back to me.

I have sent her an email and a PM trying to explain all of this. All I know is this the first time I've tried to set something up almost strictly by text and I've decided that I hate it. The occasional text seems fine but playing text tag back and forth sucks! I REALLY don't wanna do that again. And the thumb and forefinger on my left hand have been kind of sore all day today. And I'm a guy who does some marathon gaming sessions on my PS3 some nights. (I will admit that my forefinger has gotten a bit sore after some of those but never as bad as it was today! But my thumb has always been fine after gaming)

Anyway, like I said, I don't know if the technical problems were at my end or at her end. But I definitely no longer trust this texting stuff. I do hope that she'll give me another chance to see her sometime though.
 
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Miss*Bijou

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lol

Don't let this turn you off of text bookings! I agree that this must have been a frustrating experience but I don't think this is the way it has to go. I don't know who the lady in question is, so I can't say for sure but I usually like text bookings when it's straight forward and the person doesn't have a lot of questions. Numerous questions are easier to answer over the phone or by email. One or two are fine but as you mentioned, the back and forth gets really frustrating - especially when you're trying to get ready...so I understand how you feel. I usually want to make sure the person is serious and I want to chat briefly before meeting them, so I ask for a call and then go over the details then. Again, I don't know who the lady is so I can't say whether or not this was unusual for her or what.

A couple of things I thought of when reading your observations about the calling vs texting. I have a 7eleven pay-as-you-go. When it is about to run out of minutes, this is what happens. When there isn't enough to make a call, if someone tries to get through, they will get a message (not 100% sure but something like the "number not in service" message you got). BUT since text messages are like $0.05 to send (free incoming), then I can still send a few messages even after my minutes have run out. Sometimes I don't realize I'm low on minutes until I'm almost out and depending on where I am or what I'm doing, I may not necessarily be able to go to 7eleven and buy some more airtime at that time, so there have been a few times when this has happened and I've had to stick to text until I was able to get to 7eleven.

Not saying this what happened for sure, but it's quite possible the situation was somewhat similar..? Anyway, just a possibility. Hope you manage to connect with her! :)
 

Man Mountain

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Thank you very much for the reply, Miss Bijou. I just checked my remaining time and I still have over 70 bucks worth of time. When I did the Roger's thing, it was $100 to last for up to a year and I still have another week before it expires. If it still works the same, I should be able to put another 100 bucks down to save the time I have left and get the added 100 bucks worth. It seemed like a better idea than plunking down 20 bucks per month. I definitely now know that I don't have to use my time quite so sparingly next time. :D

Edit: Oh. I see now. You mean that she may have been low on time. Got it. Thanks again for the input.
 
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I feel for you, Man Mountain. I assume that she had good reasons for not wanting to talk on the phone, and being extremely short on minutes would be one. I, too, intensely dislike texting unless it's someone I already know well and it's a straightforward communication with no need for questions/clarifications. I'm too old school that way, I guess. Still, if it's someone you really want to see and their primary communication means is clearly by text, you have to play along.

I suspect the lady got your texts and just didn't respond to them, figuring that you would show up anyway. No communication until two hours after the booking was to start? That seems like a very long time to wait to contact you. In any case, you both lost out, not because it was something she said but it was the things she *didn't* say....

Good luck, I hope you finally connect with your lady.
 

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Mr.Man Mountian. Your Text (SMS) skill will get better in time. You should think about getting the 7 11 phone the mins. are good for 365 days!
 

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I think I'd find myself in the same boat as you when it comes to texting, it would be a communication breakdown, plus I wouldn't want to see somebody I didn't talk to first. Initial contact by text, not a problem, but if everything was arranged by texting then I would get the feeling there was something to hide and I would walk away from the whole deal.
 

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presumably you've done your research and your decision to see this particular lady is based on good reasoning. having said that, this one sampling of her time management skills indicates something is lacking. i would give her one more chance just in case she was having a rare bad night, but i would only do so on my terms. for you that would include a conversation by telephone, period. if that doesn't work for her, too bad - find somebody else
 

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Damn, that's too bad MM!

Get all ready and technology cock blocked you.

Funny thing about the texting issue and I have discussed this a fair bit recently with my ATF :D. Sometimes texting just doesn't get across the essence of what you want to get across. If you do not use a liberal amount of smilie faces, your texts can be misconstrued as you are being very serious or even angry.

We spent some time recently just walking and talking etc; we both came to the conclusion talking is always best. Texting is great for anyone who is always on or has a busy life outside of work.

I reckon SP's have a fair number of tire kickers and they do not want to waste time talking if the person won't commit to a day or time. So texting seems to rule the day.
 

Miss*Bijou

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Edit: Oh. I see now. You mean that she may have been low on time. Got it. Thanks again for the input.

Yes, I meant she might have been low on time. ;)



Mr.Man Mountian. Your Text (SMS) skill will get better in time. You should think about getting the 7 11 phone the mins. are good for 365 days!

Yes, that is one thing I like about 7eleven prepaids! They don't have many phone options but you can use any Rogers (and Fido?) phones - and of course unlocked phones - with a 7eleven SIM.



Exactly it is does not have a personal feel to it, it lacks communication. And I can't stand texting. Just call. Or email even.

Text does have its pluses (sp?) though. Especially if it's short notice because I may not be sitting at my computer, so I might get the email when it's too late. And there are times when I can't answer/speak on the phone so unless the person leaves a message clearly asking me to call them back (which I hate doing even when asked!) - which most men can't/don't do anyways, then text is a lot easier to do regardless of who's around or where I am. But I agree that there's still a need for a quick chat before meeting.

I just feel like it simplifies the whole process up until the phone call to confirm and get the location info. I do understand that not everyone is comfortable with texting to start, and that's fine. I do find that a good percentage of my appointments are booked that way and I think a lot of guys also find it convenient. It becomes especially easy to make plans by SMS with clients I've already met. I guess it comes down to personal preference.

Personally, I am a HUGE fan of SMS when it involves a few simple messages - I'm not a big fan of talking on the phone in general so that probably explains why SMS appeals more to me. My phone is really crappy and I don't have a qwerty keyboard so lots of back-and-forth or especially long messages with detailed answers get really frustrating though lol But usually, that's not the case so I would have to say it's by far my favorite way of booking.

Although if I had a smartphone, I guess email would be the same as SMS for me. :nod: Hm.
 

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Keep in mind that this was a short notice appointment. There could have been other personal reasons for not wanting to talk directly on the phone at that time. Texting on the other hand can be done discretely without the people around you at the time knowing what you are doing.

I think if you want to get a feel for compatibility and talk about that, it is allways a good idea to prebook rather than go on short notice.
 

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I was surfing the various sites for a bit yesterday in the early evening. It was so uncomfortably warm that I wasn't even really in the mood but when I went over to the social network part of ers, I noticed that a lady that I've been intrigued by for a while was listed as being online. I've been checking the listed availability on her site for a while now, hoping to find a time that could work for me. Since I noticed her online, I did a quick check on her site and it did list "evening" availability for yesterday. So, I signed in hoping that I might be able to catch her using the chat feature. Unfortunately, while she was listed as being online, her name did not appear in the chat feature's list of names and I was unable to connect with her that way. I did spend a bit of time engaging in the chat with a few other members for a while though. I decided to log out for a while. I then wrote the lady in question an email instead, just in case there was any possibility of her having short notice availability.

I watched a bit of TV and talked to a couple of friends on the phone with my web browser open on my web based email account for about an hour. However, no reply arrived in that time and I was going to call it a night and just watch some TV. But I had some time to kill before Rookie Blue was to start, so I thought I'd just go back to the ers chat for a while and continue with the other members that I was enjoying chatting with earlier if they were still around. Unfortunately, they seemed to have logged off for the night. As I checked the "Who's Online" feature in the chat bar, I noticed that another lady who I've been curious about was online. So, I took a chance and started a PM chat with her.

She caught me a bit off guard with a very amusing double entendre and seemed quite willing to get together. It was a little after 9 PM and starting to cool down. And... okay... she got me worked up. :D So, we went back and forth through the chat for a bit as I went through my insecurities with her. And again, suddenly her responses stop. So, I called her. Time seemed to be a factor for her and I admitted that I felt that I would need some time to get ready. But we agreed on a one hour session at 11 PM. I was to make a confirmation call just before leaving at 10:40 to get the adress of her incall.

So, once again, I find myself a bit rushed going through my getting ready ritual but I actually manage to finish up and be ready to go about 5 minutes earlier than I expected. I'm dressed. I've got the donation ready in an envelope. I'm good to go.

I make the call a couple of minutes early because I know from our conversation that 11 is pushing it for her as it is and I figure I might be able to get there a few minutes early to make things easier on her. (It sounds like she may be renting the incall space and needs to be out by midnight). She doesn't answer and it goes to voice mail. Only the voice message I get is one of those "system" ones that says something like, "604-###-#### is unavailable. Please leave a message at the tone. blah blah blah..." Only the phone number in the message is NOT the number from her ads, the number that I called to talk to her; the number I dialed to make the confirmation call. I left a message before it struck me, so I dialed again, being very precise and making sure that I was dialing the number from her ads, the one that I had reached her at earlier. But I was redirected again to that different number's voice mail.

I tried calling a few times and left another message at 10:45ish to let her know that leaving any later than that and I wouldn't be able to make an 11:00 PM appt. I never heard back from her.


Oh, and by the way, I still have not heard back from the lady the original post was about either by email or PM.
 
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She caught me a bit off guard with a very amusing double entendre and seemed quite willing to get together. It was a little after 9 PM and starting to cool down. And... okay... she got me worked up. :D So, we went back and forth through the chat for a bit as I went through my insecurities with her. And again, suddenly her responses stop. So, I called her. Time seemed to be a factor for her and I admitted that I felt that I would need some time to get ready. But we agreed on a one hour session at 11 PM. I was to make a confirmation call just before leaving at 10:40 to get the adress of her incall.
You lost it right there (the bolded part). I would guess that your discussion of your insecurities freaked her out and activated her early warning rader. You might be a nice guy, but due to the nature of the business most of these ladies would rather be safe than sorry. At that point the meeting wasn't going to happen. When you called her back she was likely just humouring you, but had no intention of actually seeing you or decided to back out after you had made the arrangements.
 

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all i can say mm, is that weeks can go by a certain times of the year when you can't even BUY a piece of tail in this town lol :)
 

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Women always complain about finding a man who is "honest", too bad they can't set the example.

A woman who wants to see you, will.

One who doesn't will be vague and do the "well I hate being mean" bullshit.
 

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You lost it right there (the bolded part). I would guess that your discussion of your insecurities freaked her out and activated her early warning rader. You might be a nice guy, but due to the nature of the business most of these ladies would rather be safe than sorry. At that point the meeting wasn't going to happen. When you called her back she was likely just humouring you, but had no intention of actually seeing you or decided to back out after you had made the arrangements.
First of all, thank you very much for sharing your thoughts on this. The feedback is appreciated.

When I didn't hear back from her in the chat for a few minutes after that, obviously, my first thought was that perhaps that was the case. And since it was already about 9:15 at that point and time was a factor, I figured that I would make the phone call to see if that was the case.

I can't discount the possibility of what you're saying but it doesn't seem to mesh with the feeling I got from our conversation. I gave her at least two "outs" if she wasn't comfortable seeing me. I mean, that's why I make sure to ask first. I have no interest in seeing someone who wouldn't be comfortable seeing me. And if a lady isn't comfortable seeing me, I won't be offended by her telling me as much. I'd certainly rather have her tell me before I go ahead and get ready to head out only to be "stood up" afterwards.

The second "out" that she would have had was when we were arranging the time. I misunderstood her at one point and thought that she implied that 11:00 PM was too late for her to meet and she reiterated that 11:00 was the latest that she could begin a one hour session. If anything, she seemed to want me to get there sooner than I was comfortable with agreeing to, if that makes sense? But when I assured her that I would not be later than 11 PM, she seemed fine with that.

My only guess is that she may not have felt confident about me and may have taken a call who was ready to be there sooner. Honestly, I can't really blame her for that but if I had known that the time issue was that sensitive for her, I probably would've called it a night and watched Rookie Blue instead.

Of course, the problem is that I can't be certain of my presumption only because of the odd issue with the phone number thing. I'm just wondering if anyone has a theory for why, if I call a specific number, the "system" voice mail would come up for an altogether different number? Could that mean that my call was not going through to the correct number for some reason?

all i can say mm, is that weeks can go by a certain times of the year when you can't even BUY a piece of tail in this town lol :)
I did go back to the site after all of this to see if there might be another option for the evening and there was another lady online that I've had a couple of positive private chats with in the past couple of weeks. Unfortunately, she had an 11:30 booked, so it didn't look like it was going to happen either but then she called back around 11:40ish when her 11:30 apparently cancelled on her and she was nice enough to accomodate me.
 

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Of course, the problem is that I can't be certain of my presumption only because of the odd issue with the phone number thing. I'm just wondering if anyone has a theory for why, if I call a specific number, the "system" voice mail would come up for an altogether different number? Could that mean that my call was not going through to the correct number for some reason?
It is possible that the person you were speaking to wasn't the person you were going to see, that might account for a different number.
 

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um a couple of things texts can be annoying for long conversations.
simple things as what time and address, are perfect for, but anything longer, and it struggles.
if you text alot get a full keyboard, its easier much easier.

never really did the prepaid cell phone, i guess i should but i dont reallly stray that much, from my regular sp and i trust her completely. she has never used my phone number, after our first session.
a lady i met on arrangement seekers, would just text me out of the blue for awhile, but we settled into a routine and now i feel comfortalbe with her having my phone number.

and some time stuff just happens, i have been stood up a couple of times by sps, thought we were good to go, but, like you no phone call or text and im left just hanging. sometimes the girl just forgets, or changes her mind prefers a regular to a newbi so i get bumped,
or the girl is or gets into party mode and just gets drunk and forgets she has a session with me. you never no what goes on at the other end of the phone don't fret it.


and a piece of advice to you mm,
i don't know your situation, doesn't matter,
but just something i picke up on,
you seem to make things more complicated then they need to be.

last minute dates, new girls i get it it its your thing,
don't mean to offend.

but if you get in with a girl or a couple girls or even a few different sps.
all these problems with texting and shit just goes away.
i personally hate all that shit with messed up communications and no shows and misunderstandings.

two of my favorite all time favorite sps i spent alot of time with, never had any miscommunations with. always simple and easy to set things up with they were completely professional and it was and is a business to them and that is the way they ran things.

get in or find ladies like that been around for awhile, treat this is a job as a profession, and know there reputation is on the line,
and its as easy as hell to set up sessions with them.
 

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Man Mountain, I am still learning about texting. I have a simple phone. I sympathize. On the other hand, text is great for receiving info or directions so you don`t need to make notes.

Seems to me that a good part of the problem is at your end. That`s the part you have control over in any case. When you get hot and ready for a last minute arrangement the little brain is taking over from the big brain. At a time like this you have to keep things as simple as possible. It`s not the time to be working through issues, questions, requests or insecurities with the SP. It may not be the time for a first date of any sort. Also, when contacting her you need to try to understand the situation she may be in. She may be with friends or in the middle of sorting something out. Especially in the evening.

If you want to discuss your unique needs or concerns you need to make arrangements in advance to do just that so she has time to consider and respond. I would not expect any SP to do this last minute. Consider booking some social time with any of the ladies you are interested in who offer it. Exchange some e-mails with ladies you are interested in who offer an e-mail address. Make arrangements in advance for some phone conversation time. This should give you a few numbers you can call last minute because you will have already done the ground work. You will each have some understanding of the other and you will know how she likes to be contacted. Explain what you are doing so they understand you are not a time waster.

Here is a thread that should give you some ideas:
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?152711-Are-we-EXPECTED-to-be-available-last-minute

I recently spent the better part of a day arranging a meeting. There were missed calls, delays and maybe a bit of confusion but by relaxing and accepting it would take time, even accepting it might not work out, the process was enjoyable. The resulting visit was of course far more enjoyable and more than worth the day`s arranging.

Best of luck in future. I expect you will be a welcome client for any SP if you can organize the communication skills.
 

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I just learned something that could make things easier or more difficult for you, Man Mountain. You can use SKYPE to send SMS text messages to an SP's cell phone and you can set SKYPE up to show your cell phone number in her call display. That will allow you to use a computer keyboard to send a text mesage. You will still need your cell phone to receive her reply text.

Has anybody had experience with this system?
 
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