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Norm King & “Elite Talent” back at work in Vancouver. : Steven S
***WARNING: 50year old+ pimp who beats + sleeps with under age girls***

Norm King and his associates along with Steven S are very organized and highly skilled in manipulation. Steven violently controls the employees as well as demands sexual favors. Steven is over 50 years old and has been reported to have a long history of violence against women.

He presents himself as a business professional who is trying to help the ladies and then ends up coercing them to sleep with him. This man is a predator and works along side Norm King.

A hint in spotting his girls : Weebly Websites (Paid Version) , ‘live.ca’ emails and eloquent write-ups similar to Norm Kings previous group of ladies.

Ladies he pimps out:
Exotic Astera
Cara Caresse
Vixen Vida
Josie Foxxx
Alex Adare
Alisha More
Maresa Lure
Leila Lust
Abigail Fine
Josie Foxxx
Maresa Lure


He operates NUMEROUS Incalls throughout the city under the watchful eye of Norm:

Recruits girls:
Steven S is a well-educated master manipulator who uses girls half his age to his advantage. He finds girls who are in desperate situations in life and coerces them into doing things they normally wouldn’t. This man is very manipulative and all ladies and client should stay far away from this group.

Be warned he has control and access to ALL the ladies perb handles.

LE has been tipped off and this should make it clear that he is not welcome in our city.

Let our ladies be independent in Vancouver and run their own business. This man is SCUM.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

That's one persistent pimp.

 

[Pillowtalk]

What's more surprising is that no one yet to figure all that out about certain sps who book appts then the door code isn't right or the sp doesn't let the guy in.

Really, is it that much easier to believe the sp is disorganized than that she isn't booking her own appts and not buzzing the client in is her way of trying to control her own work?

 

[blackcad]

FYI. A quick public search by anybody who wants to.... of the ministry of the attorney general, court services online website, and searching "Norman King" in the traffic/criminal public search, https://eservice.ag.gov.bc.ca/cso/esearch/criminal/partySearch.do ......shows that a Norman King (born 1958) has been charged with: 1 Count of 27-Jun-2009 CCC - 380(1)(a) Fraud over $5000 and 1 count of 27-Jun-2009 CCC - 362(2) False Pretence and has been OST (Ordered to stand trial in superior court). He has been charged with 2 criminal offences, not convicted. So he is still innocent until proven guilty. Isn't the internet a wonderful thing.....as the OP posted, "Steven S" has no last name, a similar search cannot be done. Who knows if the Norm King above is the same person, it's anyone's guess.

 

[blackcad]

I am who they are talking about and do not tarnish these ladies with this. Someone has a personal vendetta against me, publishing pictures and my personal information as it was done, shows nothing but malice towards me. It is personal and yet you drag others in to it.

For the record, i know of Norm King from here of all places, but I do not know him.

The ladies mentioned work for themselves. I provided web work, promo, security and experience. And yes we might have traded favors, but why not? None of these ladies has been coerced and I have no history of violence against woman.

It is a shame these ladies have been treated in this matter. They are all top Service Providers and anyone who saw them would back that up. The person who had the vendetta against me, perhaps the OP of 1 post could shed some light on that, well you have succeeded in putting some very fine ladies out of work and essentially ruined me.

These ladies are now out of work, have no place to work from and any appointments any of you gentlemen had with some on the list above, those appointments are now on hold indefinitely. Why??

They shared a safe, clean and discrete place to work from and they were happy. They worked when they wanted, how long and charged whatever. How is that not independent?

I apologize to each lady on that list, and few that are not, for any hardship you might endure because of this. You were and are my friends and I am very sorry.

Let the games begin
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Well well well dunnochit....so you admit to providing "web work, promo, security and experience" to these girls for "traded favors". All the while a quick search of your posting history shows how you often chime in and shill for them as though you are a pooner. Yet we now have confirmation from yourself that you are a shill. Hmmm..... living off the avails of prostitution.... it sure sounds like it. We're not just talking about one or two sp's that you share "friendships" with. That's quite a group you have influence over. You are such a benevolent saviour to these girls, arent you? I feel sorry for these women, but not one iota for you.

And the statement you made above to the OP : "well you have succeeded in putting some very fine ladies out of work and essentially ruined me". Ruined you? I guess that is confirmation that this is your primary business activity, living off the avails of prostitution. And FYI, Living off the avails = pimp. Probably not a good idea to post that evidence above and it's surprising that you did if you indeed are as "well-educated" as the OP claimed.

 

[Classic]

This warning is up on erslist as well today. There it lists the last name of the Steve individual. Not sure how I feel about seeing any of the girls on the list now, when a pimp is involved it just increases the risk of the hobby. Granted probably seen loads of girls who had pimps and I didn't know it, but now that you know....what do you guys think?

 

[athaire]

Well well well dunnochit....so you admit to providing "web work, promo, security and experience" to these girls for "traded favors". All the while a quick search of your posting history shows how you often chime in and shill for them as though you are a pooner. Yet we now have confirmation from yourself that you are a shill. Hmmm..... living off the avails of prostitution.... it sure sounds like it. We're not just talking about one or two sp's that you share "friendships" with. That's quite a group you have influence over. You are such a benevolent saviour to these girls, arent you? I feel sorry for these women, but not one iota for you.

And the statement you made above to the OP : "well you have succeeded in putting some very fine ladies out of work and essentially ruined me". Ruined you? I guess that is confirmation that this is your primary business activity, living off the avails of prostitution. And FYI, Living off the avails = pimp. Probably not a good idea to post that evidence above and it's surprising that you did if you indeed are as "well-educated" as the OP claimed.

I think by ruined he may be referring to the ers posting that gives up a lot more info than we are seeing here.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

heh heh... ineedabrain.com indeed ound:

 

[Cock Throppled]

He should be charged just for coming up with those names.

 

[themajorone]

All the incalls are listed on erslist as well...yikes..I've been to a few of them. Now, that the locations are public...I think it's time to stay away.

 

[Pillowtalk]

Really, I doubt very few who booked appts had any real illusions about what was going on. The history on this site alone about double names email only sps preceded this list, and anyone who didn't know that was living under a rock.

I've always felt empathy for the sps on the list, or in similar situations. They've been manipulated (even shown in example by dunnochit). Their rates and services often reflected not a personal choice but a controlled choice in order to increase volume. It seems sometimes they would be controlled by an appt made they knew nothing about or not even at work that day, so that only their name would be tarnished by the results.

At the same time, I have little patience for any grown woman who not only allows this to go on, but chooses to say nothing about it as a warning to either potential clients or other sps. I do not think favourably about people who have evidence of evil and do nothing, no matter what the circumstances.

 

[dunnochit]

I know I should probably shut up, but the conspiracy theorists drive me crazy. There is no empathy to feel. I challenge you to find a single one of these ladies that would back the claims made against me and them. These are independent strong woman and I have the utmost respect for them. Make up whatever stories you want, there was no abuse, violence, coercien or anything like that. I'm a geek with a background in the adult industry. So I did web work, marketing and was the safety call, when needed. Call it what you want, I call it providing service to my client.

Other than marketing and web work, they were completley independent. Why in this business are you chided for 3rd party marketing when every other business does excatly that? Because they are SP's?

They controlled when they worked, the emails, how much they worked, what clients to see, what services to provide. I just got them exposure and emails. The two word name theory, it was simply to make it easier to register a domain name. You can say what you want about me, but these ladies did nothing wrong.

As far as the shill charge; kiss my ass. I never crossed that line. The outstanding service the majority of these ladies provided did not need anyone to shill for them.

The email only rule was for many reasons not the least of which discussing services over the phone is in a very gray legal area. Secondly they could choose who to reply to, when to reply, not have to bothered by phone calls or text when with freinds and family and with todays smart phones it just makes things easier and more organized.

Comparing it to the Norm situation, the weebly girls or whatever has no basis in fact, other than to stir the pot. It is a group of SP's past and present that wanted to try and earn a living in this business against some pretty tough odds and they played it straight, just to be chastised by who, L7's? It is a shame to see them treated so poorly when those of you that saw them came away inpressed by there beauty, attitude and service.

Like I said, probably should have kept my mouth shut, but at this point, what do I have to lose?
D

 

[dunnochit]

By all accounts from several SPs I have met Norm King is pure evil (he also rips off people on rentals). Just google his name and see for yourself. Don't patronize the list above, and I would hope all the ladies listed there would talk to Susiexoxo or someone else for advice.

As stated I have never met Norm King and to my knowledge neither have any of the ladies, but Susi, feel free to contact everyone of them
D

 

[binkypie]

I deleted my post since all I know about is Norm King, not dunnochit.

 

[alexadare]

I feel the need to chime in here and clear some things up. There is serious amount of misinformation and assumptions being made here that seriously enrage me enough to get involved. *Whether you chose to believe me or not is up to you.

*First off, this is the real Alex speaking and I am fully independent as are the ladies mentioned above, at least the ones that I know personally. In no way whatsoever has steve "pimped me out" or forced me into doing anything that I didn't want to do. The statement that he is violent towards women is absolutely ludicrous. When I first met him, I was looking for a safe and well managed place that I could see my clients out of. It is run very similar to a lot of other incall spaces where you just pay a small booking/room fee. He gave me the OPTION of helping me promote myself, creating a website for me, and giving me advice. I am an extremely busy person. Of course I am going to take the help. If at any time I wanted to opt out and handle my marketing on my own, I could do it, no questions asked. There are several girls that work out of the incalls who decided to manage things on their own too.. That was their choice and he let them do their thing and that was that. Whoever posted this ad obviously has something out for steve. He is a good man and I find it outrageous that people are so quick to jump to conclusions after such targeted and ridiculous claims have been made. I understand that that is just the industry though.. There are so many snakes and people always want to assume the worst. Really unfortunate..*

 

[Papa Chongo]

A quick comment, Pimping is for losers, but I don't think charging for web site work can be considered that, I do not know you Dunnochit, and I am not sure what to think of this whole situation.

I will add this, the OP has one post to their name, they are willing to destroy a number of people, but only with complete anonimity, that type of activity always concerns me, I for one will not patronize anyone who I think is managed by a PIMP, or is being forced in one way or another.

I had a number of those girls on my list, and for now they will be taken off until this is sorted, it is just not worth it.

 

[Papa Chongo]

I feel the need to chime in here and clear some things up. There is serious amount of misinformation and assumptions being made here that seriously enrage me enough to get involved. *Whether you chose to believe me or not is up to you.

*First off, this is the real Alex speaking and I am fully independent as are the ladies mentioned above, at least the ones that I know personally. In no way whatsoever has steve "pimped me out" or forced me into doing anything that I didn't want to do. The statement that he is violent towards women is absolutely ludicrous. When I first met him, I was looking for a safe and well managed place that I could see my clients out of. It is run very similar to a lot of other incall spaces where you just pay a small booking/room fee. He gave me the OPTION of helping me promote myself, creating a website for me, and giving me advice. I am an extremely busy person. Of course I am going to take the help. If at any time I wanted to opt out and handle my marketing on my own, I could do it, no questions asked. There are several girls that work out of the incalls who decided to manage things on their own too.. That was their choice and he let them do their thing and that was that. Whoever posted this ad obviously has something out for steve. He is a good man and I find it outrageous that people are so quick to jump to conclusions after such targeted and ridiculous claims have been made. I understand that that is just the industry though.. There are so many snakes and people always want to assume the worst. Really unfortunate..*

Finally one of the girls spoke out...

 

[dudeharsh123]

I don't know what to make of this situation.

The OP only has 1 post. However, he also states that he has control over all the PERB handles. Who knows, maybe the girls speaking out is actually this Steve guy. At the very doubt, the OP caused doubt and suspicion. It is unfortunate that the girls reputations are gonna take a hit because of this.

 

[Papa Chongo]

I don't know what to make of this situation.

The OP only has 1 post. However, he also states that he has control over all the PERB handles. Who knows, maybe the girls speaking out is actually this Steve guy. At the very doubt, the OP caused doubt and suspicion. It is unfortunate that the girls reputations are gonna take a hit because of this.

I am a techy guy and I understand how PERB handles work, This Steve guy would have to be able to access Perb from mulitple different IP addresses to avoid the whole Multiple handle problems, I think it is time the MODS stepped in and commented, if it is true that the Alleged Pimp had control over all of the accounts then there will be a trail and it should be fairly easy to uncover from a technical standpoint... I think it is funny how we have all become Judge and Jury, there are real threats out there, sex trafficing within the Asian Micros is very real, but they are still frequented and reviewed, is Steve a real threat, he may be, but at the same time, what if he isn't, what if he is really what the girls have said, then what have we accomplished here, we have ruined a situation that was right, working for the right reasons.

If a member like HHBL, or even myself was accused of somethig similar would everyone jump on that bandwagon without a shred of proof?

MODS?! where are you on this?

 

[Kali.Kaos]

Hey Guys, I'm siding with both Alex and Cara. I know these beautiful ladies personally and even though i was not mentioned in the list.. i myself have been using one of Steve's incalls.

The accusations and assumptions made about Steve are completely untrue!! I am a fully independent provider as are the other ladies. I do all my own advertising, booking and web work and even though i've used his space, he has never forced, coerced or manipulated me into anything and he would always be there if i needed help.(no trading of services involved with me)

The incall was run very professionally and as Alex mentioned it was ran very similar to other incalls in the city that you pay for when you need it. He IS a giant teddy bear as Cara has mentioned and i've been very happy with my work space over the past few months. I'm very upset at whomever the original poster is.. the accusations are harsh and very very untrue! Steve has become someone I see as a friend and he has never crossed any boundaries... As for the abuse.. come on guys really? Many of you have seen myself and the other girls.. if there was abuse going on, i'm sure someone would have mentioned it.. we do have our bodies on display for extended periods of time. Quite frankly the thought of someone even accusing that of him makes me sick to my stomach.

This situation has caused some set backs for myself and the other girls and i apologize to all my clients to whom i will be rescheduling with when i find a new incall to work out of.

Kali xx

P.S. Who is this Norm King??