Flakes..and EC and Backpage (and formerly Craigs List)

[Master69]

Just wanted to canvas the team about flakes (you know, where the girl no-shows at the last minute).

I am getting 30 to 50% flake rate with the locals from EC and Backpage. It's everything from not answering an email or phone call (that's benign enough), to making plans, confirming and re-confirming and then left standing outside a woman's apartment block late at-night at 30 below ("I was tired", "My girlfriend phoned and wanted a drink", "My mother wanted me for supper", "I had a headache") And it can be anyone; someone I am seeing for the first time all the way up to a lady I have seen lots and almost consider an old friend.

I never experienced this kind of flake rate when I lived in Vancouver.

By comparison, the visiting ladies on EC and Backpage are here to work. No flake problem here.

The thing is most of the women say they really like me and I don't think I have done anything to piss them off. What gives? I hate getting myself ready for fun and games, priming the pump with Viagra, heading out, getting there and then discovering I wasted my evening/afternoon/morning/Viagra script

What's your flake rate?

 

[ComicalKazee]

M69....
First of all, I would suggest to stay away from Backpage. I'm not saying there aren't some hidden gems out there, but EC is more reliable (IMHO). Yeah, I agree that there are a couple of local SPs that are sometimes unreliable. Nothing worse than getting psyched for a promised experience with a hot lady and then at the last minute you get a cancellation. Or worse, no call, no explanation at all. You're right about the visiting SPs though. I have never had a problem with my regulars from out-of-province. I do have a few local reliable regulars though so you shouldn't judge ALL Winnipeg ladies by your experience. Lately I have to admit, with so many SPs travelling, it's like a smorgasbord, and my budget can't keep up with all of them. This is not the way it was a couple of years ago, but I think it's the style for a while. Best advice.. find your regular(s) and stick with them. Once you establish a relationship, they will not let you down, especially if you treat them with respect. This has been my experience.

Just wanted to canvas the team about flakes (you know, where the girl no-shows at the last minute).

I am getting 30 to 50% flake rate with the locals from EC and Backpage. It's everything from not answering an email or phone call (that's benign enough), to making plans, confirming and re-confirming and then left standing outside a woman's apartment block late at-night at 30 below ("I was tired", "My girlfriend phoned and wanted a drink", "My mother wanted me for supper", "I had a headache") And it can be anyone; someone I am seeing for the first time all the way up to a lady I have seen lots and almost consider an old friend.

I never experienced this kind of flake rate when I lived in Vancouver.

By comparison, the visiting ladies on EC and Backpage are here to work. No flake problem here.

The thing is most of the women say they really like me and I don't think I have done anything to piss them off. What gives? I hate getting myself ready for fun and games, priming the pump with Viagra, heading out, getting there and then discovering I wasted my evening/afternoon/morning/Viagra script

What's your flake rate?

 

[stanley manley]

I know what you mean.

In the last month I've been been batting 0 for 4. All four visits have fallen through. Three of them by email within an hour or so of the appointment. For one of them, I set up the appointment at noon, for 3:00 p.m. When I called back at 2:30 to say I was on my way and could I get the address, she says she has a bad case of the flu and shouldn't have made the appointment in the first place. The fourth one, I made an appointment by email, but when I called the next day to confirm and get the location (I've seen her before but she's got a new incall) she didn't answer the phone. Plus, I've sent emails to at least another 4 or 5 ladies on EC and have never had a response. That may seem pretty benign, but when you put yourself out there through advertising, and some guy takes the time to read your ad, finds you interesting and crafts a polite inquiry, can't you at least respond to the email? Even a "sorry, I'm kind of busy this week, maybe some other time" response would be nice.

I wouldn't necessarily call them flakes, maybe just poor business practices. I guess this profession also attracts those who may not have strong work ethics or can follow through on commitments. I'm not saying they're dishonest or ripping anyone off, just that some of them have a very laissez-faire attitude to the SP business.

 

[Master69]

It seems to me the SP "culture" of Winnipeg is responsible for what I call the high "flake" rate. (see www.urbandictionary.com re: flake).

Unlike most cities, Winnipeg has too many SPs from the indigent class. (North End, drug addicts, single mothers...just plain poor). They don't care.

In Victoria, most SPs are college girls, so they are more responsible. They work downtown at places like Seduction Unlimited, with its large apartment on Yates (and Victoria is half the size of Winnipeg) Same with Vancouver, where even college-educated professional women moonlight on the side, and feel some sense of professional obligation. Cleos, Swedish Touch, Platinum Club, among others, are class acts in Vancouver. In Winnipeg, this is almost unknown. (Admittedly there is one Winnipeg SP, on the CERB/PERB exclusion lists for reviews, who does do a very good job of delivering high quality reliable service. She's in university). In Toronto too, I don't know what it is, but the girls are reliable.

In Winnipeg I encounter too many North End girls with drug problems. Their in-call set-ups are often dumps (some even work out of Manitoba Housing Authority residences......Yucch!). They may run in-call out of the Marlborough (another Yucch).

All of Canada is governed by the same Criminal Code on these matters, and you would like to think the standards of enforcement and application are the same everywhere in Canada.

Ha!

In Vancouver ( and Victoria and elsewhere) there are well-appointed and comfortable massage parlours/brothels that provide reliable high quality service that the independents must compete with. In Winnipeg, despite the same Criminal Code as Vancouver/Victoria/Edmonton/Calgary, massage parlours/brothels are treated like H1N1 flu, with a moral imperative to wipe them out. This creates a vacuum in regards to competition with the indigent independents, creating a culture of poor service (I have even had Winnipeg accounting students working as SPs flake on me; hell, why not! Everyone else in Winnipeg is doing it!)

We need a city council that is NOT parochial and will (at least) catch up to the rest of Canada, It needs to liberalize the establishment of brothels and massage parlours to allow standards and quality to rise. This will mean tax revenue. If government can legalize casinos (once banned by government, now encouraged) it can at least liberalize the Winnipeg sex trade (like other Canadian cities).

 

[ComicalKazee]

M69....

Not to diss Vancouver's scene, but the city does have a reputation of bait and switch. (Never experienced this, but a visiting Vancouver SP told me this personally). Winnipeg's scene has declined since the retirement of ladies such as Kerry, Mandy, and the apparent semi-retirement of Oshean. We do have some real artists, however, such as Shawnna and Chantal. Perhaps you should give one of them a try. Sorry if I missed any other of our reputable ladies.

 

[aaahead]

Yeah I've experienced a similar flake rate.

 

[Eastern Promises]

I find the so called 'flake rate' less a concern with some of the touring ladies. In my past adventures, the touring sps have been consistently on time and the appointment is kept. Only once was an appt. not kept and it was legit. I have seen several of these ladies on more than one occasion and it has all been consistently good.

I would agree, in college towns such as the Ottawa region and Halifax, the gals tend to keep their appts.

Here, if you've seen the lady and she knows you, the probability of the appt. going through greatly increases. Conversely, if it's the first contact, I'd say you have about a 40% fail rate due to last minute cancellations or no shows from the sps.

With regard to sps who are 'skank' or who are druggies, I don't even bother contacting them. Plus for me, it's not fun or right to take advantage of someone who's in the biz for all the wrong reasons. I think choice is one of the key factors that makes this hobby fun for both the sp and the client.

And finally, the mention of Kerry and Mandy brings back fond memories: they were right up there with the best in the local scene. Always professional and fun.

 

[MRGREEN]

Interesting thread and I've been on the receiving end of no repsonses to inquiries for sure but never a no show. I read once that 40-50% of clients no show without any call or email and I really didn't buy it but someone reputable told me recently that her experienced has been similar and that and with new clients it can even be higher.

It's two way street and whether it's an sp or the client, no show and no contact in advance is rude and ultimately makes the game less fun for all.

Be good to each other.

Peace
MG

 

[Eastern Promises]

Yes, no shows from the sp is rare: it has only occurred to me twice and I've been around since the Kerry/Mandy days so that makes a pretty good success rate over that period of time. And I can imagine that the no show or not even a call to the lady saying you're not gonna be there on the client side must be higher. To me, that is just a waste of time for the sp and for lack of a better word, disrespectful, having no ettiquette with regard to the hobby or the lady.

Interesting thread and I've been on the receiving end of no repsonses to inquiries for sure but never a no show. I read once that 40-50% of clients no show without any call or email and I really didn't buy it but someone reputable told me recently that her experienced has been similar and that and with new clients it can even be higher.

It's two way street and whether it's an sp or the client, no show and no contact in advance is rude and ultimately makes the game less fun for all.

Be good to each other.

Peace
MG

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Can't say I have the problem you guys speak of but that's likely because I have a few regular Sp's I see, except for the occasional touring lady, who are very reliable.
That said I can imagine that what you guys are saying is true.
IMHO, it is because the internet has allowed alot of the SW's who were standing on Ellice or Higgins a few short years ago to now operate as SP's doing in or outcall. It used to be that the ladies on EC were the "career Sp's", the ladies who were in this biz for the right reasons and operated like such. Now any SW wiith a room and internet access thinks they are an high-end Independant SP. Unfortunately alot of these gals are the types to jump in and out of the business as their need for a quick buck arises.
Unfortunately it has created a situation where the sites are full of ads for less than reliable SP's and it has certainly increased the "Flake Rate."

 

[Deepstrokes]

I once asked a very popular Winnipeg sp way she hardly ever advertised. She said because she didn't have to. She said if your good at what you do clients know. If you look at after yourself, and are up front and honest with your clients they will come back time and time again.

Do you ever notice it's the same handful of sp's that advertise on EC, Backpage, Cerb, and Craigslist when it was around and I am not talking once a week, but everyday. However there profiles are so far out of date it's not funny.

 

[stanley manley]

As a bit of a test, I sent an email yesterday to four separate ladies, all listed on EC. I greeted them, said I saw their ad on EC, said that I admired their photos, that they seemed nice and that I'd like to spend some time with them, made an inquiry to their availability for the next day, and asked them to get back to me.

Almost 36 hours later, I haven't heard back from any of the four. My inquiry was polite, well-worded, was not overly rude or intrusive (hey baby, do you give BBBJ, can I cum on yer face?) and indicated that I'd like to give them my business. I'm not saying that they have to jump in the sack with every clod that emails them, yes, they can screen their clients, but a simple acknowledgement that they received my email would have been nice. If they were under the weather, had other plans, had a visit from aunt flo or whatever else, they could have simply said "thanks for your email. I'm glad you like my photos, but I have other plans and can't see you tomorrow"

Is business that good that they can just ignore all inquiries? That's not a good long-term business practice, and it wouldn't go over well in 98% of legitimate businesses out there. You just can't ignore potential customers.

 

[12 inch]

I have had similar experience of unreliable sp see Zoe thread . And I do agree it is just getting worse . No respect for clients . Was not all ways this bad .

 

[Restless]

I have had similar experience of unreliable sp see Zoe thread . And I do agree it is just getting worse . No respect for clients . Was not all ways this bad .

If you like I can refer you to a reputable purveyor of dead equines, purposely bred for thrashing "apres vie"

 

[westcoastjoe]

M69....

Not to diss Vancouver's scene, but the city does have a reputation of bait and switch. (Never experienced this, but a visiting Vancouver SP told me this personally). Winnipeg's scene has declined since the retirement of ladies such as Kerry, Mandy, and the apparent semi-retirement of Oshean. We do have some real artists, however, such as Shawnna and Chantal. Perhaps you should give one of them a try. Sorry if I missed any other of our reputable ladies.

shawna and chantel???? give me a break, both have been around for over 15 years.
kerry and mandy?????? reliable yes.... but way overrated by many
Oshean??????? she out-ed clients, bad fake tits....etc etc

 

[Sixpak]

shawna and chantel???? give me a break, both have been around for over 15 years.
kerry and mandy?????? reliable yes.... but way overrated by many
Oshean??????? she out-ed clients, bad fake tits....etc etc

To each his own!!!!
Different strokes for different folks, etc ...lol
Some might remember kerry when she started out as April? Sexy and hot!!! but not very dependable - like many of the younger ones today. Takes time to reach the level of maturity that is needed to be successful.

 

[rockstar1]

yes the sp group is in decline.. less professionalism.. only very few who I think are on the up and up.. even some of the veterans are unreliable, drama queens, and just dont take their profession serious.. eg: Savannah, I have tried to make an appointment and to this day I have not heard from her, or she was to meet me and didnt call to confirm.. others say she is full of drama, so I dont even bother.. I have seen two sps.. one from one of the message parlours who is a damn fine brunette spinner (loads and loads of fun with her) and one from EC who is a young knock out.. she is a gem.. both are drug free and one is even alcohol free.. they both dress very classy and have sexy underwear each time.. this is hard to find..

 

[Eastern Promises]

To each his own!!!!
Different strokes for different folks, etc ...lol
Some might remember kerry when she started out as April? Sexy and hot!!! but not very dependable - like many of the younger ones today. Takes time to reach the level of maturity that is needed to be successful.

One of the most professional, younger sps was easily Mystique. I always thought for a young hot girl, she had the maturity and professionalism of a seasoned vet. She is one I definitely miss.

I did not know Kerry as April; but she too was very nice and professional when I knew her. With both ladies, I saw them multiple times and always knew they wouldn't cancel. The closest thing to it was one time I had arrived to Kerry's place near Polo Park and she was nice enough to call me saying she was running about 15 minutes late due to a train. I remembered that day we were meeting up right after her classes coming from the UofM.

 

[ComicalKazee]

Come on! Kerry was great! Missed by all her clients. Oshean was great during her prime.

To each his own!!!!
Different strokes for different folks, etc ...lol
Some might remember kerry when she started out as April? Sexy and hot!!! but not very dependable - like many of the younger ones today. Takes time to reach the level of maturity that is needed to be successful.

 

[12 inch]

I've noticed the same thing with respect to non-responsiveness. I'm assuming they don't respond because they don't have to. Demand is probably outstripping supply, so the SP's don't have to be overly responsive. My assumption is that they have numerous regulars that they feel comfortable with, and so they do not feel the need to respond to every e-mail that goes there way. Regardless of whether they answer, they know darn well that their regulars will come through for them. Just a theory.

Or they are addicted to drugs alcohol or gambling or some thing and are of feeding their addiction . If they do not advertise I would not call . If they have enough clients why advertise
I think it more likely they are just have an addition problem .

What they have to realize is that respect goes both ways , some clients may not show up
but I am not them !