Tips and Guides

[Dr_X_man]

I'd like to share some tips from personal experiences, discussions with SP's, on-line sources,..
I intend to divide them into posts
General Guides (Hobbyist & Providers)

• Use common sense
• do not steal, scam, rip-off …etc. customers/providers.
• do not steal, scam, rip-off …etc. other providers
• do not out smart others or play games
• do not steal, scam ..etc your manager, promotor, lead, agency...
• do not break promises (terms if you have some sort of agreement). Do not promise what you can not fulfill.
• be honest and upfront.
• be clear
• Use all morals and values. It pays.
• Remember we are humans
• Treat others the way you want to be treated
• have a shower, clean well, wash your mouth, (prepare for it as you prepare for a date)...etc.

What goes around comes around.

• No drama

To be continued...
Input is appreciated...

 

[Dr_X_man]

Providers

Sorry SP`s for the long post however I had few bad experience (shared and to be shared mostly on the reviews)

- Make good impressions be funny, sexy, nice, down to earth…etc. When we call it`s not only because we want to know more info. We are trying to get a taste of who you are. Example; I called a very gorgeous girl the other day and she said "all what you need to know is in my ad" then hung up. Though she is extremely gorgeous I did not call her back. If she has an attitude over the phone how would she be when I see her?

- Give an idea of your menu without up-selling. You might think guys are going to negotiate so you start asking big $$$ believe me that`s not right! It is risky because you might get into discussing details. Offer reasonable rates believe me we do our shopping and there`s a lot of fish in the sea. As you see guys talk to each other (this forum is an example). Do not think that he will call your other phone number so you can give him a better deal.

Example:
services offered are sensual massage, lap dance, light body rub, ...etc

??$ 1/2hr Incalls f/s ??$ (Location)
??$ Full Hr Incalls (f/s included)
Outcalls available depend where you are?

A smart provider would not have 1hr rate equals twice the half hr= 2*0.5hr
If you are doing something different from the usual or do not offer f/s be clear
Examples:
There was a girl who provided services (in US) with a glove only! Her ads did not say this, but her clients wrote about it and she admitted it. She was called the glove lady!

- Have in your menu full services if not then... be very clear stating no f/s provided or you during that time of the month ...

- Be clear and use common sense

- Post a number, rate, your own recent picture. Do not hide. For example do not hide the number i.e. 7/8/0 or 7*8*0... Hiding means you have something to hide i.e. bad reviews. You do not want customers to search your number or ...

- Learn things like 1full hour or up to an hour and do not mislead guys saying it costs such ?$ for an 1hr then when he cums after few minutes it`s over!! this should be clear in your menu when you quote 0.5hr and there is 1hr rate that means this is 1 solid hour customers can have more than 1 cup (MSOG)

-Common sense
*have a shower, clean well, wax, shave, little make up prepare as you prepare for a date (smell, look good)

- want to reduce your problems with Leo

-Try to have friends and/or regulars and do not rush (the difference between a rushed and an unrushed session is minutes and it would pay you)

- Do not play games
examples;
•if the customer scheduled .5hr and told you there`s a chance he`d use 1hr do not be silly saying oh that`s another .5hr rate
•.5hr rate is not for full service!!
•No shopping malls noone likes it. If you want to kiss my tits there`s a price for that. if you want a BJ there is an aditional price. Do not kiss my cheeks or its a gfe! For this you pay that!! It is a complete turn-off
-So far I am talking about straight fun no fetishes

-pleasing your customer is easy and every woman is born with this instinct.

-do not use more than one manager (lead,...etc) at the same time. Be clear and honest. Do not connive and fool them trying to get from here and there.

- Be honest in describing yourself and services. Remember to each his own. (some like them short others tall...some like brunette others blonde...etc.
To be continued...
Input is appreciated
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[Synshine]

ummm...that is all common sense to a good provider. I'm sorry you had bad experiences but you are starting to sound like a p*mp with your rambling. Is that your intention?

Not to be rude to you, but a good SP is not stupid and doesn't need to be treated like a child/idiot. SP's appreciate advice when it isn't condescending and also off base! (see examples below)

Learn things like 1full hour or up to an hour and do not mislead guys saying it costs such ?$ for an 1hr then when he cums after few minutes it's over!! this should be clear in your menu when you quote 0.5hr and there is 1hr rate that means this is 1 solid hour customers can have more than 1 cup (MSOG)

-Common sense
*have a shower, clean well, wax, shave, little make up prepare as you prepare for a date (smell, look good)

- want to reduce your problems with Leo

-Try to have friends and/or regulars and do not rush (the difference between a rushed and an unrushed session is minutes and it would pay you)

- Do not play games
examples;
•if the customer scheduled .5hr and told you there's a chance he'd use 1hr do not be silly saying oh that's another .5hr rate
•.5hr rate is not for full service!!
•No shopping malls noone likes it. If you want to kiss my tits there's a price for that. if you want a BJ there is an aditional price. Do not kiss my cheeks or its a gfe! For this you pay that!! It is a complete turn-off
-So far I am talking about straight fun no fetishes

-pleasing your customer is easy and every woman is born with this instinct.

It isn't easy all the time my friend...why don't you try it some day so you can speak from experience? (puts tongue in cheek) lol

Happy Holidays to you and I hope you find the SP of your dreams!

 

[Dr_X_man]

I thought about writing a Disclaimer sort of... I know there are a lot of beautiful lovely women who knows more than me ... I know there are a lot of hobbyist who knows more than me....but it goes without saying because these are tips, hints, take them or leave them...then I solicited input "I should have asked for positive input!"

I dated a stripper then an escort (for years). I helped the escort a lot...
Yes, there is a lot of common sense that's been neglected or forgotton. I gave examples and I can provide more examples.
It is unfortunate that you looked at the negatives of the posts (no condescending intentions!)

ummm...that is all common sense to a good provider. I'm sorry you had bad experiences but you are starting to sound like a p*mp with your rambling. Is that your intention?

Not to be rude to you, but a good SP is not stupid and doesn't need to be treated like a child/idiot. SP's appreciate advice when it isn't condescending and also off base! (see examples below)

It isn't easy all the time my friend...why don't you try it some day so you can speak from experience? (puts tongue in cheek) lol

Happy Holidays to you and I hope you find the SP of your dreams!

 

[Dr_X_man]

Fellow hobbyists

- Read as much as you can and share your own experiences,...

- Be worried if providers keep changing their names, their look, their phones, age, locations...etc.

- Do not ask these questions on the phone: Will I get laid? Does she do greek? Can I cum twice? No sexual acts or activities!! Where exactly are you?

- Have exact amount of cash. After all, she isn't a bank teller. If you expect her to have the proper change, chances are you'll be disappointed and end up letting her keep the change.

- Always have your own supply of condoms. It's ok to have more than one.

- Prepare as you prepare for a date, be showered and dressed.

- Take away valuables from sight. This is not a test of honesty.

- Be sober.

- if you like the services tip and tell others. You won’t keep her for yourself. Actually you are hurting her by not telling others about her. She will provide for others any way.

- you can also frequent her. There are some findings when you find a beautiful smart girl who really needed money at a point and she became comfortable with you. You can either introduce her to close friends and keep it confidential or it could also be NSA girl-friend. It all depends on both of you


positive input is appreciated

 

[Synshine]

Obviously you are on your own on this Brother.

 

[Dr_X_man]

Fake Pictures

The first rule of debunking the bait and switch is this: IF IT LOOKS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - IT IS!! And that means when you see an amateur beautiful girl photographed with perfect lighting by an obvious professional - 99% of the time, it’s simply a photo lifted off the internet! Beware! Next…if you see a beautiful girl whose photo is somewhat pixillated (it has jagged edges) it’s a low resolution image again - lifted from the internet!

Watch out for multiple ads - all with beautiful girls - and all with the same or similar phone numbers! They’re clearly agency ads! Most agencies either use all real ads - or all fake ads! Rarely do they mix and match!

Seek out amateur photography with less lighting than the slick stuff - and shadows which indicate the absence of back-lighting - a photographer’s tool to avoid unwanted shadows. Yes, there ARE amateur shots on the web which can be downloaded and used to dupe the guileless consumer. But on balance, amateur photogrpahy will bring the real girl a greater percentage of the time than the slick shots.

Always search the girl’s name when you’re interested to see if there are any reviews. And don’t believe all the reviews. Read between the lines. Girls post reviews on themselves frequently.

OK! So all this sound horrible! There’s really no way to avoid being hustled. It’s just too complicated! Well, thanks to the internet, working girls and their employers can be held accountable. When calling the number, ask if the girl is real. They’ll always tell you yes (of course) regardless. But this is a question designed to lead up to the admonition. Your next move? Tell the person on the phone (politely) that a) you will not accept a fake girl…b) you won’t give her one dime for carfare…and c) you’ll be hurting their business by telling others!
Don’t say it belligerantly! Simply explain that you’ve been hoodwinked before - you work hard for your money - and you’re simply being an educated consumer.

Anybody in his right mind won’t send a fake under these circumstances. But if they do…follow through on your promise. Reject the girl.

Agencies love to prey on the weak. Don’t be weak and they’ll respect that.

 

[jnewton]

ummm...that is all common sense to a good provider. I'm sorry you had bad experiences but you are starting to sound like a p*mp with your rambling. Is that your intention?

Synshine, while I appreciate your feelings about this, unfortunately common sense isn't so common. There are some very professional (meaning they take their integrity about their work seriously) ladies out there but there are a lot of ladies that just can't seem to figure out that repeat business is a) a steady income and b) much safer. They do things that are either dishonest or that make the client uncomfortable. I don't think he meant in any way to disparage the real pro's. He was addressing this more to the ladies who are either willfully or unintentionally doing things that harm their business and make it tougher for even the honest SP's.

As he mentioned, a la carte pricing is, IMHO, a bad idea. Yes, it's understandable for a few things like greek, and more of the norm in the fetish world, but for the average pooner, a simple menu with all-inclusive pricing is much more attractive. Try to remember, when we are looking through the ads, the blood supply is already being diverted from the big to the little head. Keeping it simple helps us when we have limited reasoning ability because of reduced oxygen to the big head.

 

[Dr_X_man]

Thanks I meant well. Well said.

Synshine, while I appreciate your feelings about this, unfortunately common sense isn't so common. There are some very professional (meaning they take their integrity about their work seriously) ladies out there but there are a lot of ladies that just can't seem to figure out that repeat business is a) a steady income and b) much safer. They do things that are either dishonest or that make the client uncomfortable. I don't think he meant in any way to disparage the real pro's. He was addressing this more to the ladies who are either willfully or unintentionally doing things that harm their business and make it tougher for even the honest SP's.

As he mentioned, a la carte pricing is, IMHO, a bad idea. Yes, it's understandable for a few things like greek, and more of the norm in the fetish world, but for the average pooner, a simple menu with all-inclusive pricing is much more attractive. Try to remember, when we are looking through the ads, the blood supply is already being diverted from the big to the little head. Keeping it simple helps us when we have limited reasoning ability because of reduced oxygen to the big head.

 

[Dr_X_man]

Believe me when I say these have happened to me with SP's:
Bad body smell! Sometimes I am able to convience them to take a shower.
Bad mouth smell! Sometimes I have gum or candy and offer them. Sometimes they do not get it!
I asked the question of up to the hour or 1 full hour? and I get the reply after we finish the session you can stay if you'd like to!
Some girls are rude on the phone if you like my ad then come over!? Or eveything you need to know is in my ad!

Ok most of what I read here to me is common sence, yes we have a few people that don't think and don't use common sence all the time. Yes we will always have a Ass around for a pooner/client, and yes there will always be an SP out to scam and rip the pooners off. That is life.
Now my topic here is for the ladies new ones to the business I suppose.
In the Vancouver review section an SP has asked the question what is cream pie. Now she saw or heard this in a porn movie thought it was a good catchy phrase so used it in her advertising now she is wondering why she is getting the wrong clientelle.
On the other board there is an ad "Lace up Victoria" Anything goes. Well anything goes does that mean BBFS too. It leaves the door wide open for bad clientelle.

Ladies when advertising think of the clientelle you want. If you are not sure of the meaning of a word or phrase look it up "Google" is a wonderful tool. Think about what you are putting in your ads proof read before you post. Once your ad is out who knows how many are going to read it or talk about it. And say hey she offers this or that and you don't offer it.
Be Safe and take your time in posting and advertising you will get the clientelle you are seeking.

 

[Pillowtalk]

You said:

Do not ask these questions on the phone: Will I get laid? Does she do greek? Can I cum twice? No sexual acts or activities!! Where exactly are you?

Why not ask them? If you are dealing directly with the sp, not an agent, she should be willing and able to discuss rates and services with you. I would be suspicious of someone who won't. That way she won't commit to anything with you, so she can change it in person, imo. Or if you insist on dealing with an agency, imo, you can take your chances with what she is willing to provide vs what the booker promised you. You can't complain about it after the fact, since you chose to use an agency, that's on you.


The picture thing, you are ignoring the fact many sps have websites and pay decent money for professional shots. It they use such a picture in an online ad, and give directions to their website, you should never be surprised it is a good quality pic and assume that it is faked, imo. Of course, everyone knows by now that pro shots of asian micro sps are fake, and again, its on you if you believe them lol.

 

[Dr_X_man]

I hobbyied a lot in US and prostitution is illegal with very few exceptions. Here in Canada while prostitution is legal each province even city is different. If you are Edmontonian they have these signs that says" This community does not tolerate prostition. Report a John". Some consider cars as public places some not...In general I and believe SP's prefer to be on the safe side.
It's OK to discuss those details when you are face to face with the SP. That's what I do. I could be wrong but I feel comfortable this way.

You are right about the picture. Initially this post is intended for CL sp's who are new to the business

You said:


Why not ask them? If you are dealing directly with the sp, not an agent, she should be willing and able to discuss rates and services with you. I would be suspicious of someone who won't. That way she won't commit to anything with you, so she can change it in person, imo. Or if you insist on dealing with an agency, imo, you can take your chances with what she is willing to provide vs what the booker promised you. You can't complain about it after the fact, since you chose to use an agency, that's on you.


The picture thing, you are ignoring the fact many sps have websites and pay decent money for professional shots. It they use such a picture in an online ad, and give directions to their website, you should never be surprised it is a good quality pic and assume that it is faked, imo. Of course, everyone knows by now that pro shots of asian micro sps are fake, and again, its on you if you believe them lol.

 

[Dr_X_man]

G.f.e. P.s.e....!

In the latest edition of hobbyist's humor dictionary:
GFE = Generally Free Escort PSE = Public Service Escort (kidding)

For seriousness, I do not see a problem in discussing these with your clients. Saying "I provide GFE" without specifiying might result in disappointments. How many times have we seen negative reviews just because of this?

Personally I ask what does GFE or PSE entail?

The exact definition of GFE or PSE is always a controversial subject.
Some consider GFE to include one or more of the following:
-MSOG
-DFK
-DATY

Once upon a time (historically speaking), PSE was used by porn actress who work as escorts. Then SP's who worked as Porn Stars and in some states used to video tape the experience (sort of making your own private porn movies...) so as to avoid incriminating laws.

Recently, some SP's started to use PSE and added these:
-CIM
-Greek
-Video taping,...
-the weirdest definition I heard it from a SP her definition was that she will act and fake it and I'll pay her porn-star rates

It is always better to specify..

In US hobbyists tend to use more acronyms and abbreviations more. Most review sites has a disclaimer similar to this:
This site is purely for entertainment purposes. The writing contained in this site is in no manner intended to depict or describe, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law. Therefore, everything contained here is fiction and is for your entertainment and amusement only.

Briefly,
for SP's be honest and straightforward. Please do not add GFE to your services if you are not willing to do any of the above mentioned services!
for hobbyist if you are not sure politely ask...

 

[Dark_Knight]

In the latest edition of hobbyist's humor dictionary:
GFE = Generally Free Escort PSE = Public Service Escort (kidding)

For seriousness, I do not see a problem in discussing these with your clients. Saying "I provide GFE" without specifiying might result in disappointments. How many times have we seen negative reviews just because of this?

Personally I ask what does GFE or PSE entail?

The exact definition of GFE or PSE is always a controversial subject.
Some consider GFE to include one or more of the following:
-MSOG
-DFK
-DATY

Once upon a time (historically speaking), PSE was used by porn actress who work as escorts. Then SP's who worked as Porn Stars and in some states used to video tape the experience (sort of making your own private porn movies...) so as to avoid incriminating laws.

Recently, some SP's started to use PSE and added these:
-CIM
-Greek
-Video taping,...
-the weirdest definition I heard it from a SP her definition was that she will act and fake it and I'll pay her porn-star rates

It is always better to specify..

In US hobbyists tend to use more acronyms and abbreviations more. Most review sites has a disclaimer similar to this:
This site is purely for entertainment purposes. The writing contained in this site is in no manner intended to depict or describe, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law. Therefore, everything contained here is fiction and is for your entertainment and amusement only.

Briefly,
for SP's be honest and straightforward. Please do not add GFE to your services if you are not willing to do any of the above mentioned services!
for hobbyist if you are not sure politely ask...

This is a subject that has been debated to no end on this board and others. As it stands there seems to be no consensus on this issue, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. It would be nice if these terms could have a standardized meaning.

 

[Dr_X_man]

This is a subject that has been debated to no end on this board and others. As it stands there seems to be no consensus on this issue, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. It would be nice if these terms could have a standardized meaning.

I agree. Since they are not standardized, won't expect them to be standardized and each SP has her own definition. I am suggesting that SP's discuss them clearly with clients.
I have seen many negative reviews just for this reason. The SP says my basic is such and the GFE is extra $. Then during the session the SP will have all restrictions:
-No BB period
-No kissing (even kissing her body)
-No fingers or touching kitten
-No passion
-No multiple positions
-No multiple shots
-No nippling
-No..
Then what's GFE and she will say "Oh! you can DATY!"

 

[MacKenzie Monroe]

Hiding means you may not want to broadcast to EVERYONE what you do....Possible?

- Post a number, rate, your own recent picture. Do not hide. For example do not hide the number i.e. 7/8/0 or 7*8*0... Hiding means you have something to hide i.e. bad reviews. You do not want customers to search your number or ...

Did it ever occur to you that maybe the lady doesn`t want to be Googled by someone from her personal life? Easy answer is to have a separate phone for business, but not always easily accomplished. Sometimes its not easy to explain why you have 2 cell phones, and frankly, its a pain in the butt! Thats why we have alter egos that are searchable. Just sayin.

Oh yeah, as for name changes..... *sometimes there are reasons other than bad reviews or something else sinister on the sp`s part*
Sometimes its other people that make it impossible to continue working with the same name or number because they *out* the girl or harass or stalk her. There are MANY reasons for what the girls do in that regard. Perhaps not ALWAYS jumping to the conclusion that she is A BAD PROVIDER would be in order.

 

[Dr_X_man]

Did it ever occur to you that maybe the lady doesn`t want to be Googled by someone from her personal life? Easy answer is to have a separate phone for business, but not always easily accomplished. Sometimes its not easy to explain why you have 2 cell phones, and frankly, its a pain in the butt! Thats why we have alter egos that are searchable. Just sayin.

Oh yeah, as for name changes..... *sometimes there are reasons other than bad reviews or something else sinister on the sp`s part*
Sometimes its other people that make it impossible to continue working with the same name or number because they *out* the girl or harass or stalk her. There are MANY reasons for what the girls do in that regard. Perhaps not ALWAYS jumping to the conclusion that she is A BAD PROVIDER would be in order.

Just a suggestion here...but if you wish your number not to be googled for personal information or family to find you out etc. Have a email adress just for business, do not give out your number, if someone wishes to book they can do so by email or pm. Once you do have a good feel for that client book, give phone number so they can confirm and adress. Have them call say 1 hour before booked appointment to confirm then give your incall location. Is also safer that way.

I agree however both SP and Hobbyist have to always use common sense. If a girl keeps on frequently changing (number, name, location, pictures...) in attempts to hide. My alarms will go on...

 

[Dr_X_man]

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But do be safe CYA (that is cover your ass) for those who don't know..lol. Have fun!

I'm so naughty...got me how did you know? that I'm in my birthday suite

 

[MacKenzie Monroe]

Good suggestion Angie.... unfortunately, I am a technical hurricane, and have had nothing but problems with computers over the last few years. (jinxed or just stupid, not really sure! lol) So getting my bookings through e mail isnt efficient for me. I do know that they have phones with e mail access, but unfortunately, my BRAND NEW Blackberry has already been replaced once and is currently in the shop under repair *I used it for under a month before the replacement, and a month and nine days when it went in for repair!*
Just to give you an idea of how inconvenient booking through email would be for me. At least I have back up pay and talk phones.
Maybe one day I'll buy a MAC! lol

Just a suggestion here...but if you wish your number not to be googled for personal information or family to find you out etc. Have a email adress just for business, do not give out your number, if someone wishes to book they can do so by email or pm. Once you do have a good feel for that client book, give phone number so they can confirm and adress. Have them call say 1 hour before booked appointment to confirm then give your incall location. Is also safer that way.

 

[Dr_X_man]

Hey You I remember that name when I was in Van city ~ sept. 07,

Good suggestion Angie.... :
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Maybe one day I'll buy a MAC! lol

I can help fixing techno...

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