What is the Truth About Asian Micros??

[Bad Santa]

How can one not be attracted to the girls at Asian micros after reading some incredible reviews on the high level of service and great VFM in some of them?

But I wonder. Is LE right about them? LE and many other "so called" experts still insist that the SPs working there are coerced and blackmailed into providing. I know LE often have their own agenda with their pronouncements but I would like to know the truth about this.

Those of you who have partaken, I ask you, what's your opinion? Do you honestly think SPs at micros are not being forced against their will? What are the vibes you get from the girls?

It's funny that we never hear the slightest comment from any SP working in a micro although some of them supposedly speak english.

If SPs working there are not free to come and go as they want and it they have to give all their earnings to their bosses, then that would make them "sex slaves."

But if they can leave when they want and it they receive a portion of the money they make then it is definitely not slavery. At worst, those micros would then be the "sweat shops" of the prostitution business.

We all buy clothes and many other goods made in the "sweat shops" of Asia so would the moral dilemma be any worse for someone visiting an Asian micro?

 

[Oldfart]

Do you honestly think SPs at micros are not being forced against their will? What are the vibes you get from the girls?

Micros are like most of life. You're mistaken if you generalize too broadly.
Some are ok, some are better than average, and some are best not to be dealt with.

 

[uncleg]

Any Micro I ever went to allowed the girls freedom of movement and the ability to make a buck. However, I only went to Pinky or somebody she vouched for. Are there Micros where the girls are working off a debt, yes. What you do if you find yourself in that kind of location is up to you. Overall, just from talking to some of the people in the business, I would think that most of the girls are in the industry by choice. They make good money by their standards and they do it quickly, so I wouldn't get overly concerned about the majority of the women in the trade.

 

[Bad Santa]

Micros are like most of life. You're mistaken if you generalize too broadly.
Some are ok, some are better than average, and some are best not to be dealt with.

Any Micro I ever went to allowed the girls freedom of movement and the ability to make a buck. However, I only went to Pinky or somebody she vouched for. Are there Micros where the girls are working off a debt, yes. What you do if you find yourself in that kind of location is up to you. Overall, just from talking to some of the people in the business, I would think that most of the girls are in the industry by choice. They make good money by their standards and they do it quickly, so I wouldn't get overly concerned about the majority of the women in the trade.

Thanks Uncleg and Oldfart. I respect your opinions and this makes me more comfortable with trying the micro experience.

 

[Bad Santa]

Thanks, Dood. You always seem to be right on the money with your opinions!

If there is some lady out there who has worked in one of these establishments and is free to speak her mind, please let us know the "scoop".
It's a fairly substantial part of this business and I for one would like to be better informed as to the truth before I make my choices regarding these places.

 

[storm rider]

From my vast experience with 1 micro...that being Sugarland.The gals are most definatly not coerced or subjugated>from talking to the gals I have learned why they are involved and the reasons vary.Cara for example who holds the record of 6 weeks at Sugarland and was booked solidly every day she worked was doing it to buy her family in South Korea a house.Tiffany was doing this to pay for her education as were some of the other gals.One of my faves was Jenna and she was also doing this for savings for an education,and I will add I was asked for a favour by SugarK to take Jenna to a bank so that she could open a bank account.I showed up and Jenna was dressed very classy and looking fine (head turning fine in fact as she took my arm as we walked down the street and every guy we passed did a double take) and what was Jenna packing?Why she was packing about $10,000 in cash and 3 cellphones as well as her passport and a few sundry items in her purse...yeah I am oh so sure that a victim of human trafficking is going to be let out of the condo she works in with a shitload of money/cellphones and her passport.As for Sugarland itself ALL of the gals that pass through the "proverbial" gates that I used to defend on CAF have their own cellphones and are provided with laptops that have internet access...hardly something you would give a captive.

My other online persona was Red on CAF and my reviews on there can back up and justify my response to this thread at least as far as Sugarland goes.

SR

 

[funnyfunguy]

this makes me more comfortable with trying the micro experience.

why would you want to try the micro experience when they offer bbbj? What happened to your rants against bbbj?

And why would you want to pay 200 for an hour when you are so happy to be paying 300 at a regular MP?

And why would you want to try a girl with little or no english if a "connection" is so important to you?

Don't waste your time. You won't like the experience. It's just not for you.

 

[Bad Santa]

From my vast experience with 1 micro...that being Sugarland.The gals are most definatly not coerced or subjugated>from talking to the gals I have learned why they are involved and the reasons vary.Cara for example who holds the record of 6 weeks at Sugarland and was booked solidly every day she worked was doing it to buy her family in South Korea a house.Tiffany was doing this to pay for her education as were some of the other gals.One of my faves was Jenna and she was also doing this for savings for an education,and I will add I was asked for a favour by SugarK to take Jenna to a bank so that she could open a bank account.I showed up and Jenna was dressed very classy and looking fine (head turning fine in fact as she took my arm as we walked down the street and every guy we passed did a double take) and what was Jenna packing?Why she was packing about $10,000 in cash and 3 cellphones as well as her passport and a few sundry items in her purse...yeah I am oh so sure that a victim of human trafficking is going to be let out of the condo she works in with a shitload of money/cellphones and her passport.As for Sugarland itself ALL of the gals that pass through the "proverbial" gates that I used to defend on CAF have their own cellphones and are provided with laptops that have internet access...hardly something you would give a captive.

My other online persona was Red on CAF and my reviews on there can back up and justify my response to this thread at least as far as Sugarland goes.

SR

Thanks StormRider, obviously there are "good" micros and it is probably just a fringe element that mistreat their girls.

why would you want to try the micro experience when they offer bbbj? What happened to your rants against bbbj?

And why would you want to pay 200 for an hour when you are so happy to be paying 300 at a regular MP?

And why would you want to try a girl with little or no english if a "connection" is so important to you?

Don't waste your time. You won't like the experience. It's just not for you.

FFG, you may be right that I won't like it. I assure you I wouldn't seek a bbbj but I do like a bargain and the "connection" I seek doesn't require her to speak english.

 

[storm rider]

Thanks StormRider, obviously there are "good" micros and it is probably just a fringe element that mistreat their girls.



FFG, you may be right that I won't like it. I assure you I wouldn't seek a bbbj but I do like a bargain and the "connection" I seek doesn't require her to speak english.

I saw Cara for 8 sessions when she was at Sugarland and while her english was not that good it did not matter.She could speak volumes with her eyes and she knew how to please a man.The idea of wanting a "connection" in this pastime baffles me as I dont a "connection" I want hedonistic/wicked/unbridaled sex(though safe of course)I have no interest in women that go through the motions and moan in an overdone way and have sex in a mechanical way as a HUGE percentage of western society women do.And the reality is us guys are just a source of money to them,anything they say is pretty much a lie.

What I like about the asian gals is that they treat you like a king(they go the extra mile if you bring them flowers or a Hello Kitty trinket BTW)..they massage you and bathe you.....they towel you off when you come out of the shower afterwards and you are the center of their attention.You dont encounter a gal who wants to "chat" for 20 minutes and run down the clock....knowing that she will also get a mood breaking phonecall 10-15 minutes before the hour is up.These gals(from my vast experience) only wish to provide you with what you are paying for....PAMPERED PLEASURE and nothing else.No crap about being late....no drama about why the gal is strung out...no BS about why the menu changes suddenly.....only total pleasure....if I could swap out half my brain and get a hard drive wet wired ala "Johnny Memnonic" and upload Cantonese/Mandarin/Japanese/Taiwanese/Tag-a-log(Filipino) I would do it in a heartbeat as I would have even more fun with these attentive pleasure giving gals offer.

I myself have no interest in caucasian gals anymore...be they SP's or the normal type as they are just a headgame (and why the hell should you have to pay hard earned dollars for a headgame)Asian gals are beautifull and sexy...they love sex and know how to look after a man.My 3 must do things(a bucket list in my life) is to visit Thailand and shag myself ragged for a month.....go to Hong Kong and indulge myself in 1-4-1's as well as cruise the "shark pit" at the Lisboa Hotel and have some fun there.

Asian gals = awesome
Caucasian gals = a waste of time and money(IMO)

SR

 

[87112]

sterotypes. I know many white girls at my job that work very hard at what they do and make great wives. And I have meet some Asian gals that disgrace values, once they get bored of you or the money stops flowing their way youre out. I just know a good old fashioned gal that will be with you through thick and thin is as rare a Stanley cup in BC.

 

[R the Man]

I'm visiting Vancouver - never tried a micro here - usually stick with outcalls. But, if not too much bother, can anyone pm contact info for some "reliable" ones - I'm staying at the Westin in Richmond, so somewhere close by there would be good. If you search my posts, you'll see that I provide reviews of my travels (also on terb, where I have the same handle).

Thanks, R.

 

[Bobo The Rabbit]

I think its a huge misconception that the girls in micros are sex slaves.
Can only white women/North Americans be able to decide they want to engage in sex for money and enjoy it too/make a job of it?
Is every Asian woman forced into prostitution who works in a micro? No, could some be? yea, maybe the same percent that are forced by pimps/boy friends here in north America.

Right now in thailand there are women working as SPs for 60 bucks they will go do over night stays with you and spend 8 hours with you. These girls work willingly, so if a micro owner said to these girls, "hey want to make 100 bucks in one hour and be able to see 4 or 6 guys a day?" Why would the girl say no? Even if she only gets 100 out of the 200 we pay them in a hour, for these girls they have made twice what they make at home in a day in JUST ONE HOUR.
Remember out of the $60 we hand a girl in Asian some of that goes to her bar/agent.

Are some of the girls here physically in Canada illegally? yea, but its so easy for micro owners to find girls who they can bring over here legally that its kind of stupid to risk bringing girls here illegally.

I think its racist and ignorant to keep thinking these girls are doing this against their will, are the SPs here on PERB working against their will? No, could some be? Yes.

MeiMei works at don/kens micro here in Edmonton and I have seen her a dozen or so times over the last year and a half? Ken/Don move these girls around Canada for a few months then the girls go back to Asia for a few months, MeiMei goes back to Taiwan.
MeiMei told me once that on her 2nd last trip here the guy in Toronto she works through screwed her and would not give her the money from the 2 weeks she worked out there for him. I take it that means he was just a douche bag agent and that she keeps coming back to Edmonton and working for don/ken he is not a douche bag.
When you go to many micros the girls are there alone, they are not being held there, I think the anti micro attitude comes mostly from angry SPs who see girls under cutting them and offering better service at half the rates.

Its important to remember most micro girls are TOURING girls, and like the Montreal or Vancouver girls who tour, they work 11 hour days, does it mean they see 11 guys in a day? No, could there be a day where they see 6 or more? Yes.
I have seen WHITE Canadian Montreal girls and when I book them you see their schedule on the web site, you can see they will have over 6 appointments in a day easily as these girls offer GFE for 200 an hour some times and in Edmonton sGFE is Industry standard 300 in our MPs, so guys just FLOOD these visiting girls because the service is FAR better many times and at 2/3rd the cost.

 

[Bad Santa]

Thanks Bobo. You obviously know what you're talking about regarding micros. You read so much bullshit about them in the regular press I'm sure it scares a lot of potential clients off. I know I've been leery of them until now.

I've been spending so much money at the regular MPs my wallet needs a break. A $ or more savings per session for great service is sounding better all the time!

 

[storm rider]

I think its a huge misconception that the girls in micros are sex slaves.
Can only white women/North Americans be able to decide they want to engage in sex for money and enjoy it too/make a job of it?
Is every Asian woman forced into prostitution who works in a micro? No, could some be? yea, maybe the same percent that are forced by pimps/boy friends here in north America.

Right now in thailand there are women working as SPs for 60 bucks they will go do over night stays with you and spend 8 hours with you. These girls work willingly, so if a micro owner said to these girls, "hey want to make 100 bucks in one hour and be able to see 4 or 6 guys a day?" Why would the girl say no? Even if she only gets 100 out of the 200 we pay them in a hour, for these girls they have made twice what they make at home in a day in JUST ONE HOUR.
Remember out of the $60 we hand a girl in Asian some of that goes to her bar/agent.

Are some of the girls here physically in Canada illegally? yea, but its so easy for micro owners to find girls who they can bring over here legally that its kind of stupid to risk bringing girls here illegally.

I think its racist and ignorant to keep thinking these girls are doing this against their will, are the SPs here on PERB working against their will? No, could some be? Yes.

MeiMei works at don/kens micro here in Edmonton and I have seen her a dozen or so times over the last year and a half? Ken/Don move these girls around Canada for a few months then the girls go back to Asia for a few months, MeiMei goes back to Taiwan.
MeiMei told me once that on her 2nd last trip here the guy in Toronto she works through screwed her and would not give her the money from the 2 weeks she worked out there for him. I take it that means he was just a douche bag agent and that she keeps coming back to Edmonton and working for don/ken he is not a douche bag.
When you go to many micros the girls are there alone, they are not being held there, I think the anti micro attitude comes mostly from angry SPs who see girls under cutting them and offering better service at half the rates.

Its important to remember most micro girls are TOURING girls, and like the Montreal or Vancouver girls who tour, they work 11 hour days, does it mean they see 11 guys in a day? No, could there be a day where they see 6 or more? Yes.
I have seen WHITE Canadian Montreal girls and when I book them you see their schedule on the web site, you can see they will have over 6 appointments in a day easily as these girls offer GFE for 200 an hour some times and in Edmonton sGFE is Industry standard 300 in our MPs, so guys just FLOOD these visiting girls because the service is FAR better many times and at 2/3rd the cost.

Well said.

Thanks Bobo. You obviously know what you're talking about regarding micros. You read so much bullshit about them in the regular press I'm sure it scares a lot of potential clients off. I know I've been leery of them until now.

The savings are huge and the level of service is like night and day.Give a reputable micro a try and you wont regret it at all.

SR
I've been spending so much money at the regular MPs my wallet needs a break. A $ or more savings per session for great service is sounding better all the time!

 

[Ride My Mustache]

For what it's worth, I've been a customer of micros since they started becoming noticed among us. Here in Vancouver, I have not one time had the feeling the girl was being forced to do what she was doing. Not all of the girls are asian either, although it seems most are. But if the micros were using asian sex slaves, why would some non-asian girls be involved?

To be honest, I was a frequent customer of an MP in California a long time ago. One time I was given a very young and shy looking asian girl for my "massage". I was a regular customer and the owner liked me. I think that's why I was given this "special" girl that day.

The girl spoke a few words of English and when she found out I intended to have sex with her, she looked horrified and called the owner. I could here them talking in the hallway, partly in English and partly in something else, as the owner was explaining to her that she had to do this. (I think I was almost as horrified realizing what I was involved in as the girl had been when she realized what she had gotten herself into!) She came back in, timidly staring at a condom she was now holding in her hand. I just smiled and asked her to give me some more of her "wonderful massage", and spent the time thinking about what had just happened. When our time was up, I thanked her, tipped her extra well, and hugged her close to me so that I could whisper "I'm going to try to help you" without anyone that might have been listening in being able to hear. I never knew if she understood what I said or not. She didn't react to it.

That was my last visit to that MP, partly because of that experience, and also because I caused an investigation to be started by LE that ended up with the place being shut down and the owner arrested a few months later. Had a friend who was a commissioner in that city, as well as a fellow pooner. I could tell my story to him (and did that same night) without getting myself in trouble (since all prostitution is illegal in California). He got the investigation started and hounded LE until they followed through on it. Turned out my feeling about what was going on was right.

But that was also the only time I have ever experienced a feeling that the girl was being forced, it was a long time ago, and was no where near Vancouver. I think most of the stories of sex slavery around here are simply from the fear mongers and from a minority of vindictive high priced, low quality SPs who would like nothing better if we all just saw them exclusively.

 

[Ride My Mustache]

I don't think that was "sex slavery" more "coercion" on behalf of the owner. Dude, you should be commended for doing the right thing. In the bigger scheme of things it's not going to stop anything but..for one person it did make a difference. Putting aside the comments of what some of these "indie" chicks say on this site...I can tell you first hand that it's tough on the women that work at MP's/Micros' that don't take care of their women. It can leave long and lasting scars.

No one should have to do anything they're not willing to do. It's plain and simple.

Thanks Dood. I might not be using the right words to describe what was going on. My commissioner friend used the term "sex slavery" when we were talking about it later. That was also around the time that the news media were starting to report a lot of asians being smuggled illegally into the US in shipping containers through the port of Los Angeles. Many of these were young girls that were forced to pay for their passage through prostitution. I don't know if the MP I went to was involved in any of this or not, but that atmosphere helped to put pressure on LE to follow up on my friend's requests for them to investigate this particular MP. I also have no idea what happened to the girl in the end, but I felt good about being able to have at least done my best. Given the same opportunity again, I would do the same!

 

[Pillowtalk]

I highly doubt you can lay the blame for the term sex slavery on a couple of independent sps. A lot of clients find the whole micro idea distasteful after all. The term is a media one, and loved by the moral majority, the Salvation Army savers, and as far as sps go, far more likely to be used by born-again reformed sps like that Trish Baptie than a working sp. (In spite of the fear mongering by some highly biased micro fans, the independent sp with a higher rate is not affected by the McMicro formula, just as higher priced dining establishments are not affected by McDonalds on every corner).

If prostitution is illegal as it is in the US, then that kind of thing flourishes. People are smuggled in, find themselves with a debt and stuck in a place like that mp knowing that they have no options whatsoever, and the activity itself is illegal, so even less. In Canada, because the work is legal, it would be much more difficult to coerce someone into doing the work in that way. They would be able to work legally as as sp if they were a legal resident. Plus, it is easy enough to get volunteers, for the price of the ticket and tourist visa. The asian workers know they have to be discrete because working on a tourist visa is illegal, of course.