VPD releases photos of hate-crime suspects

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Was going to watch the ufc match whenever it came back to bc. Maybe i shoulda watched the fight last weekend cause it's going to be harder to get a ufc fight in bc again. Gotta agree with hubba this time this has nothing to do with having the ufc fight here in bc. I mean geesh this coulda happen right after a canucks game also. Holtzman just couldnt keep his fckin mouth shut for a few mins and let the guy pee. If the person is bigger than you & drunk ...make sure you're far away from the sob and keep quiet for christ sake!



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Vancouver police have released photos of the suspects in an assault against a gay couple last weekend that is being investigated as a hate crime.

“We’re asking the public to look at these images and if anyone has information that can help us further this investigation, we would be really appreciative of the phone calls to help us,” said police chief Jim Chu.

On June 12 at 10:45 p.m., David Holtzman and his partner Peter Regier were assaulted as they tried to enter their townhouse on Keefer Street.

Holtzman said he believes the suspect has connections to the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) event that took place several blocks away at GM Place.

“I know that the police have been given evidence saying that the primary suspect has links to UFC,” he said. “It is gay-bashing, but it also is how do we make and keep our neighbourhoods and our communities safe?”

Chu did not comment on whether there is a link between the suspected hate crime and the mixed martial-arts event.

He said the police have no evidence to indicate that UFC events create a greater risk to the community.

Holtzman challenged Mayor Gregor Robertson to re-assess the city’s two-year trial period for hosting UFC events.

“I’d like to make sure that you’re taking into consideration really seriously the safety of the neighbourhood,” he said to the mayor.

Robertson said the city will look at the next steps with the UFC policy based on the outcome of the investigation.

“The first step is that we have the investigation completed and we understand whether there’s any linkage to the events that night,” he said. “That is a two-year trial for UFC and we want to see how it goes, what positive and negative impacts it may have for the city. Right now we don’t know if there is a direct connection until the investigation is complete.”

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I personally can't stand watching UFC, but for them to believe that watching UFC turns you into a gay basher is left wing crap.
Vision really didn't want UFC here in the first place and would love to find a reason not to have them back.
 

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Send them to whatever prison this guys at
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Why does it become a hate crime simply because the losers were gay. If they had beat the crap out of the two guys pissing would it still be a hate crime ?
 

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Why does it become a hate crime simply because the losers were gay. If they had beat the crap out of the two guys pissing would it still be a hate crime ?
No, the victims were gay. The losers were the guys pissing.
 

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The hate crime provision of the Canadian Criminal Code is Section 718.2. The section states (with regard to any crime):
A court that imposes a sentence shall also take into consideration the following principles:
(a) a sentence should be increased or reduced to account for any relevant aggravating or mitigating circumstances relating to the offence or the offender, and, without limiting the generality of the foregoing,
(i) evidence that the offence was motivated by bias, prejudice or hate based on race, national or ethnic origin, language, colour, religion, sex, age, mental or physical disability, sexual orientation, or any other similar factor, . . . shall be deemed to be aggravating circumstances. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime#Canada)
So in what I have either read or seen on T.V. there is no evidence that the fight was motivated by bias, prejudice or hate. A couple of drunks were pissing on a wall and a couple guys objected, and the fight was on. If I call somebody a bastard, does that become a hate crime because it may indicate a bias, or prejudice towards the children of unmarried parents ? You're drunk, you get in a fight, you say things to people that you don't necessarily think through. There are things I'll say that some people find offensive, not because they were ment to be, but rather that political correctness has made them offensive.
 

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No, the victims were gay. The losers were the guys pissing.
O.K. let me reword that. Why does it become a hate crime simply because the guys that had the crap beat out of them were gay ? If they, the gay guys, had beat the crap out of the losers pissing on the wall, would it still be a hate crime ?
 

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O.K. let me reword that. Why does it become a hate crime simply because the guys that had the crap beat out of them were gay ? If they, the gay guys, had beat the crap out of the losers pissing on the wall, would it still be a hate crime ?
It depends on what the gay guys were saying to the losers. They appear to be brown so if they started shouting out brown people obscenities to them as they were beating them then yes. As it stands now these losers were heard shouting out homophobic insults at the gay couple as they beat them. The police believe there is enough evidence for the added charge but prosecutors will have to prove it was motivated by the bias, i.e. would they have beaten them up and as badly if they were NOT gay. That's my understanding of this charge.

The last guy to have this added charge was sentenced to 17 months, minus time served, of course.

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I have no doubt that these two douchebags were at the UFC event. However, these same guys are at the Canuck games, Lions and Fireworks.....they come from a place and culture that leaves them horribly confused when they are confronted by their own latent tendencies....so they act out by bashing some homo's.....
 

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If the morons specifically chose the gay dude's door to pee on because it was clearly identified as being the house of gays, then this might fall under the hate crime legislation.

If the guys had NO CLUE whose door they were pissing on and just picked one at random, the fact that the guys who got beaten up were gay is irrelevant and it was simply an assault.

It is not automatically a hate crime every time a gay gets beaten up by a drunk.
 

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O.K. let me reword that. Why does it become a hate crime simply because the guys that had the crap beat out of them were gay ? If they, the gay guys, had beat the crap out of the losers pissing on the wall, would it still be a hate crime ?
Yes the gays would have been beating up the losers because of their disabilities of urinary incontinence and intellectual deficiency. So it would have been a hate crime motivated by moronophobia.
 
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Actually, nobody deserves to have have the shit beaten out of them. I use to have a gay next door neighbor and i have no problem with the gays at all. Did you read the article these guys where drunk and should be dealt with some caution. I honestly thought even if these guys where straight they woulda still be beaten up the same way. If you say certain things to drunks make sure you are standing further away than usual. Just common sense and these guys who where beaten up didnt have much of. Didnt make any sense telling them to stop peeing during mid flow....they'd just tell you to go f ck yourself.

Holtzman just couldnt keep his fckin mouth shut for a few mins and let the guy pee

So LAG because Mr HOltzman said something he deserved to have the shit beat out of him?

Can't believe the level of homophobia on this board sometimes. Reports are that while these two Einsteins were beating the crap out of this couple they were hurling homophobic slurs at them. Sounds pretty hate motivated to me. I suggest that if the couple who asked them to not piss on their home (seems like a reasonable request) were not gay these charmers probably wouldn't have beaten them up or at least not with the same ferocity.
 
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The street those attackers where pictured was where i use to live and that's near tinstletown. You get druggies shooting up nearby and seen people who arent that bright approach them the wrong way. Sometimes they do it infront of the ritzy apartments near stadium skytrain and these people shoot their mouths off saying "go do your f ckin drugs elsewhere...not infront of my home". Im just saying you gotta be smart reguarding dealing with drunks,drug users etc. The 711 at tinstletown they had a retarded security guard stop a man he thought stole a can of pop and almost had a drug needle stab him.
 
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They where walking on taylor street near tinstletown and tons of cameras nearby with good lighting. Im sure they have close ups of these dorks with better shots. Would be a good idea for them to turn themselves in and probably get a reduce sentence. They probably wouldnt have have any pics taken of these guys... if they ran off in a different direction. Not sure what the laws are but they probably wont get much jail time even if they are caught.

Hope they catch the idiots and put them away....

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uncleg

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Holtzman just couldnt keep his fckin mouth shut for a few mins and let the guy pee

So LAG because Mr HOltzman said something he deserved to have the shit beat out of him?

Can't believe the level of homophobia on this board sometimes. Reports are that while these two Einsteins were beating the crap out of this couple they were hurling homophobic slurs at them. Sounds pretty hate motivated to me. I suggest that if the couple who asked them to not piss on their home (seems like a reasonable request) were not gay these charmers probably wouldn't have beaten them up or at least not with the same ferocity.

Having said all that, I agree it is a stretch to directly link this to the UFC. Hate crimes happen all the time. However, I would suggest the UFC attracts a fairly violence prone demographic. Not sure if it should be banned but personally I'd rather have my eyes poked out with hot embers than watch the sport. Don't question the athleticism but it really seems like nothing more than two people beating the crap out of each other inside a cage. Pretty barbaric methinks.

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O.K. Go back a bit a year or so. Suburbia, party bus pulls into a cul-de-sac, bunch of guys get out and start pissing on a guys lawn. The owner comes out tells these guys to get of his property and stop pissing on the lawn. They beat the crap out of him, deck his wife as well. He's called names while he's being beat on, including things that in this case were deemed homophobic hence a hate crime. Why didn't it make it a hate crime in that case, the fact the guy wasn't gay ? This guy ended up in the hospital with worse injuries then these two.
 

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Not sure what the laws are but they probably wont get much jail time even if they are caught.
I mentioned above that the last douchebag to have this charge appended to an assault charge received a 17 month sentence, minus time served (double time). The judge stated he wanted to make an example out of him.

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