I don't think girls who work in a micro are more likely to be underage. I think about a year ago a independent provider (non-asian) was exposed to be a few months underage. Most mico reports on here indicates that we should ADD 8 years to advertised age. While some of the borderline (true 18-19 years old) and NON-PROS are non-asian independents. Also, most micro and amp girls seems to be already in the business in their home country.
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Exactly. Many working girls cannot find clients anymore in their home country as they becomes old, since people in their native countries can tell they are not young anymore, so they choose to work abroad with the hope that Canadians/Americans/British/Australians cannot tell their age.
However, it's hard to immigrate legally to work as prostitute, so they pay money to human trafficking agencies and let the agency immigrate them illegally.
They are young girls in micros, but very often they are not sp who offer sexual service. In many occasions, they work as the telephone girl (voice receptionist) so that the clients will think they are meeting a young girl when they call the micro, but indeed it's older women who offer them the sexual service.
a little more info on executions...especially in korea...
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/special/immigration/6129019.html
Threats to their lives
The YMCA International Services in Houston provides short-term help to victims, but advocates say that isn't enough. Many have gotten jobs, but dozens of others live in Houston illegally, without work permits. Some are in abusive relationships. A few have drifted back to cantinas, according to Chronicle interviews. At least two report receiving death threats.
Jose Benitez, director of the Federation of Inmigrantes y Trabajadores Unidos (Federation of United Immigrants and Workers), who regularly helps cantina survivors, says he also has been threatened via cell phone. He fears some women would be immediately executed if deported to Central America.
Applications for T visas can be tricky and tedious: obtaining documents from native countries; producing gut-wrenching statements about abuse; winning law enforcement support; staying in touch with unpaid attorneys. It's often a struggle to pay the $545 most need as part of the paperwork. Some give up or fail to qualify. And the wait for a visa can be long.
One woman, who worked in a Houston cantina for a year, spent more than two years getting visas for herself and her sons. Last summer they were reunited at the airport, the boys' only possessions carried in tiny backpacks.
http://italy.usembassy.gov/viewer/article.asp?article=/file2007_11/alia/a7110108.htm
A core principle of an effective anti-trafficking strategy is the protection of victims. Unfortunately, China classifies North Korean refugees as "economic migrants" and forcibly returns them to the DPRK where, in all likelihood, they will be severely punished or even executed for escaping.
http://blogs.state.gov/index.php/archive/entry/north_korea_trafficking
Unfortunately, China classifies North Korean refugees as "economic migrants" and forcibly returns some to the DPRK where they may face severe punishment, including in some cases execution. The PRC stands by this policy; however, the U.S. consistently urges China to treat North Korean asylum seekers in line with international agreements to which it is a signatory. China's poor transparency and the political sensitivity of the issue hamper our efforts to effectively advocate for change on this issue.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/special/immigration/6129019.html
Threats to their lives
The YMCA International Services in Houston provides short-term help to victims, but advocates say that isn't enough. Many have gotten jobs, but dozens of others live in Houston illegally, without work permits. Some are in abusive relationships. A few have drifted back to cantinas, according to Chronicle interviews. At least two report receiving death threats.
Jose Benitez, director of the Federation of Inmigrantes y Trabajadores Unidos (Federation of United Immigrants and Workers), who regularly helps cantina survivors, says he also has been threatened via cell phone. He fears some women would be immediately executed if deported to Central America.
Applications for T visas can be tricky and tedious: obtaining documents from native countries; producing gut-wrenching statements about abuse; winning law enforcement support; staying in touch with unpaid attorneys. It's often a struggle to pay the $545 most need as part of the paperwork. Some give up or fail to qualify. And the wait for a visa can be long.
One woman, who worked in a Houston cantina for a year, spent more than two years getting visas for herself and her sons. Last summer they were reunited at the airport, the boys' only possessions carried in tiny backpacks.
http://italy.usembassy.gov/viewer/article.asp?article=/file2007_11/alia/a7110108.htm
A core principle of an effective anti-trafficking strategy is the protection of victims. Unfortunately, China classifies North Korean refugees as "economic migrants" and forcibly returns them to the DPRK where, in all likelihood, they will be severely punished or even executed for escaping.
http://blogs.state.gov/index.php/archive/entry/north_korea_trafficking
Unfortunately, China classifies North Korean refugees as "economic migrants" and forcibly returns some to the DPRK where they may face severe punishment, including in some cases execution. The PRC stands by this policy; however, the U.S. consistently urges China to treat North Korean asylum seekers in line with international agreements to which it is a signatory. China's poor transparency and the political sensitivity of the issue hamper our efforts to effectively advocate for change on this issue.
I think you've hit on something with regards to this case. In the press conference, the police spokesperson made specific reference to the fact that this guy was actively advertising on CL and here on PERB trying to "recruit" women for his operation and one of the charges against him is "procuring". Here's a link to the video of the story on the globaltv site (you just have to sit through an ad before it plays)
http://www.globaltvbc.com/video/index.html?releasePID=63mz9n1NtJT1ig3ZruYfPHHWBHn_sNJr
no wonder i didn't see any ads on CL today.
I think Perb moderator should make this site private, you have to log in, and only one account / ip is allowed in one day.
I know this sounds silly, but letting this site open for the VPD to check freely isn't any good for perb's business. Why? Well if many places are shut, no more places to go, no more ads, no more reviews.
How did the police find out at first place anyways? They got the warrant on May 12th - so they prob went to get it from the house owner...they probably have knocked the door at that place before.
I am pretty sure someone prob had reported this place. That's why fellow perb reviewers, don't make such detail post on where when,.. just say downtown, vancouver, burnaby, coquitlam, or richmond.
I was told by some girls, some of their clients bring either iphone or bb and they recorded the whole thing. How is this not gonna pissed them off. Wake up everyone, if you wanna enjoy ur own porn, i think do that with your gf, it's too dark at these places to record and you can't get a good view of it. Go to some porn sites, they r better.
We need these girls right? like how we must eat?...so care for them.
thats all i can say. PRetty dissapointed with all the news these days. sigh.
I think Perb moderator should make this site private, you have to log in, and only one account / ip is allowed in one day.
I know this sounds silly, but letting this site open for the VPD to check freely isn't any good for perb's business. Why? Well if many places are shut, no more places to go, no more ads, no more reviews.
How did the police find out at first place anyways? They got the warrant on May 12th - so they prob went to get it from the house owner...they probably have knocked the door at that place before.
I am pretty sure someone prob had reported this place. That's why fellow perb reviewers, don't make such detail post on where when,.. just say downtown, vancouver, burnaby, coquitlam, or richmond.
I was told by some girls, some of their clients bring either iphone or bb and they recorded the whole thing. How is this not gonna pissed them off. Wake up everyone, if you wanna enjoy ur own porn, i think do that with your gf, it's too dark at these places to record and you can't get a good view of it. Go to some porn sites, they r better.
We need these girls right? like how we must eat?...so care for them.
thats all i can say. PRetty dissapointed with all the news these days. sigh.
how do they proof?
oh i want to add something, i found from another posting, here is a comment by geforce:
I used to work in a rental complex. I know for fact that cops don't care too much about the sex trade in apartment buildings. I got reports once of a lot of people traffic in and out of a suite, and I had to call the cops to report it. Here's what the cops said:
- can't enter an apartment without solid proof of sex trade
- as mentioned above, said proof must be witness of money being exchanged
- responsibility is on the landlord to evict tenants doing illegal activities
Not saying that cops won't investigate and do random raids.. but there's just too much of this stuff going on around town for them to pick and choose which ones to go after.
Oh yeah... and shouldn't this be in the Neighbourhood Watch section?
oh i want to add something, i found from another posting, here is a comment by geforce:
I used to work in a rental complex. I know for fact that cops don't care too much about the sex trade in apartment buildings. I got reports once of a lot of people traffic in and out of a suite, and I had to call the cops to report it. Here's what the cops said:
- can't enter an apartment without solid proof of sex trade
- as mentioned above, said proof must be witness of money being exchanged
- responsibility is on the landlord to evict tenants doing illegal activities
Not saying that cops won't investigate and do random raids.. but there's just too much of this stuff going on around town for them to pick and choose which ones to go after.
Oh yeah... and shouldn't this be in the Neighbourhood Watch section?
For the life of me I haven't seen any advertising on Perb that I would suspect as being a Micro. Yes there are/were posts by papasan here and there in response to various reviews/complaints but other than that nothing. If the Police are taking anything from this site it's information as to what activities are taking place in the various establishments and to some degree information as to the possible ages of some of the women working there. Add to that some of the additional information put forward by some pooners in regards to language skills, other activities, "just doing this while I'm learning English," and you are providing the probable grounds for a warrant.
Most of the busts across Canada this past few weeks have specifically referred to asian micros: Toronto, Saskatoon, etc.
I think maybe the incident in Toronto may be why they seem more interested in reporting the other ones. In Toronto, this guy with website, an "agency", etc, was busted with 2 underage girls there. One was 14, the other was 16 but had been working with him since she was 14. This is the sort of thing that gets the news interested in actually reporting what is not really news. That and the fact these are mainly non-residents, working here illegally on tourist visas (working on tourist or student visas is not legal), so you have the "issue" of "trafficking". If they were local, they would not have as many interesting charges, the excitement of deporting the older sps, etc.
For the non-asian micros, there would not have been that "trafficking" angle or probably no under agers, so the TV and newspapers not very interested.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2010/04/17/13622676-qmi.html
I think maybe the incident in Toronto may be why they seem more interested in reporting the other ones. In Toronto, this guy with website, an "agency", etc, was busted with 2 underage girls there. One was 14, the other was 16 but had been working with him since she was 14. This is the sort of thing that gets the news interested in actually reporting what is not really news. That and the fact these are mainly non-residents, working here illegally on tourist visas (working on tourist or student visas is not legal), so you have the "issue" of "trafficking". If they were local, they would not have as many interesting charges, the excitement of deporting the older sps, etc.
For the non-asian micros, there would not have been that "trafficking" angle or probably no under agers, so the TV and newspapers not very interested.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2010/04/17/13622676-qmi.html
I was amused at the way the officer mentioned PERB. He spelled it out slowly, letter-by-letter; "P E R B dot ca". It was as if he wanted to help listeners find the site.
Or giving out juicy details up to this point of investigation! It's known that Canadian law enforcement doesn't give out juicy details whenever possible! Now they are doing it to alert the public. That's why I said "proceed with caution!" in the previous posts.
i agree, imho...vpd are only interested in protecting youth and preventing trafficking and violence. they do seem to have a skewed perception of our lives upon which they base all their actions and of course people, especially sp's or agencies, most likely have a police file now. they have obviously been coming here for awhile.
i am a little concerned about the nature of the files/ investigation and don't much like the idea of the police officers i meet with seeing reviews or my photos... but we are considered criminals so guess i shouldn't be surprised. it is very difficult to inquire about these things to police. i spoke to vice members and they simply refuse to discuss it. this could be due to not wanting to undermine the operational intergrity of their strategies but is extremely frustrating none the less. the officer we have been wrking with for 3 years has been transfered and there seems to be no one to take is place. i will continue to try and have booked as a delegation to the police board on june 16th so will try to appeal to vpd executive then.
it shouldn't impact our ability to take our plans forward. in the end everything we propose is legal and as public employees under the direction of council they will work within the guidlines set down as policy.
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Not sure why this is a thumbs down.....if he's pimpin out 17 year olds he deserves to be busted. Get your head out of your A**
As a point of interest, you can get a student visa that allows you to work part-time. Most of the Japanese and Korean tour guides I worked with out to the Rockies were here under those types of visas.
LE do not care much about micros, but procuring an underager for prostitution is a serious criminal charge, much easier to get a conviction and jail time sentence with than charges simply relating to running a brothel. Also a warrant relating to underage prostitution is much easier to get.
Muffineater, I did spend two years in a jail in China back in the early eighties. I was barely twenty years old. As a result of that, I was never able to finish my study in university. Muffineater, have you spent any time in China?
Look, I am not saying these women will be treated nicely when they are shipped back. However, they will not be executed because of this. Prostitution is no longer something serious in China and it is everywhere. If you think the sex industry is 'vibrant' in Vancouver, you ain't seen nothing yet. I am not trying to defend the corrupted police/government but I am just telling what it is. Besides, the police would be probably more interested to squeeze money out of these women then raping these thirty somethings. They just take the money and spend ¥100 Rmb in much younger girls in saunas or hair salons. Some probably don't need to spend money at all!
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