What is a fair city-wide MAXIMUM rate for escorts?

[not2old]

Now, I'm mainly asking the men this, but female members can answer too.

Pretend there was a city-wide maximum on what an independent escort (not a street walker) can charge. Any lady can charge less than this amount, but nobody is allowed to charge more.

What would YOU consider to be a fair and acceptable maximum hourly rate for an independent, Lower Mainland escort? $200? $250? $300?

This is to say that service providers finally get a union and begin to evolve into rate control (ensuring that nobody grossly overcharges each other or gouges the market).

 

[HubbaHubba]

LMAO.............is this fo real?
**shaking head**

 

[athaire]

LMAO.............is this fo real?
**shaking head**

LOL....I was just thinking the same thing....where is that giant bag of popcorn when you need it?

 

[HB40]

What would YOU consider to be a fair and acceptable maximum hourly rate for an independent

1 million dollars, but that is the MAXIMUM, there has to be some limit!

 

[not2old]

Higher rates by some Sp's don't change the market, it's the girls who "undercharge" who do.

I guess that depends on what side of the fence you are looking at the market from.

As a client, I think the push to higher rate is more of a concern to me than the push to lower rates. Maybe it's like the house market. It's not the cheap properties that are pushing up the housing market. It is the on-going push of the mid to high tier properties pushing it up.

 

[island-guy]

But there will ALWAYS be girls charging much much lower rates out there, especially with CL

Similarly there will always be girls out there charging higher rates.

In theory, if you pay enough, you can probably get an hour with about 99% of all the girls in the city.

Heck even a commercial drive lesbian would probably spend an hour with a man for enough $$

Similarly, every house in the city is for sale, for the right price.

I do think that it is the middle to upper middle end that drives the market, both in escorts and in houses.

Now, if you want to look at whether the high end or the low end destroys the market, the answer is quite simple. Let's look at all possible situations.

First off, I think that we can all agree that if a pooner is totally happy with his experience and what he paid for it, he's going to just keep doing the same thing, so we can ignore that situation as it clearly does NOT destroy the market.

So, we have the unhappy pooners. Those can pretty much be divided into three groups:

1) The pooners who paid very little

2) The pooners who paid a moderate rate

3) The pooners who paid a high rate

Now, let's look at each group.

1) The pooner who paid very little and then wasn't happy with what he got. Well, he got what he paid for, and I'm sure he realizes it. What will he likely think? Is he likely to give up on pooning or is he more likely to just think "Well, next time I should probably pay more" or, maybe he'll think "Oh well, at least it didn't cost much, I've still got plenty of $$ to try again". This guy is really unlikely to give up pooning and leave the market because of his experience. So, the really cheap girl, even if she hasn't made the customer happy, isn't going to destroy the market by turning off pooners from pooning.

2) The pooner who paid a moderate rate and wasn't happy with his experience could, like the pooner who paid little, figure that he has to pay more to get something better, or, he could figure that since the experience wasn't worth what he paid,next time he'll seek out something cheaper, either way, he's not giving up pooning, he's still in the market.

3) The pooner who paid a lot of money. Now this guy is kinda stuck. Either he has lots of $ and afforded it easily, or he spent all that he could manage. If he spent all he could manage and had a bad experience, well, goodbye pooner, he won't likely be pooning again anytime soon. If he was the guy who afforded it easily, well, what's he gonna do? He DID pay a lot, so is he likely to say "Well, an expensive girl was no fun so next time I'll try a cheap girl?" Not likely. He likely knows that you get what you pay for, so if he paid a lot and didn't like it, he'll just figure that there's no point in going back down that road again. The market loses a customer.

So, which case drives the customer from the market, hurting the market?

 

[island-guy]

Perhaps none of them really, since you appear to infer that it will always be the top tier of the price range where dissatisfaction is the only one that removes customers from the market.

Not quite, of course there are other factors that have nothing to do with price that will remove customers from the market.

I was limiting the example to cases where price was the factor involved, as that was the question at hand.

There are plenty of examples of other goods where a small number of people got together and drove prices up and ruined the market, or where the government acted to drive the price up and the result was the market being ruined. Protectionism has been shown over and over to destroy markets.

Take a look at the lumbermill industry in BC. The unions pushed things up, drove up the wages and costs and look what happened.

And as much as the local girls have tried, with accusations being called in to the RCMP about asian MPs being slave dens, the reality is that overpricing the domestic product will result in foreign workers taking away all the jobs.

Your steel example is a classic one and a perfect one. American steel workers unions push up the price of American steel, so the Chinese pump out cheap steel to compete. The US government puts up import tarrifs on chinese steel to protect the american steel industry and what happens? The Koreans and Japanese make cars with Chinese steel and drive the American car industry into bankruptcy. Oops.

Take a look at Hockey, the salary caps basically saved the sport from destruction. (Well, the National Hockey League anyway)

 

[island-guy]

If someone capped it and said "you can only charge $100 p/hour maximum", then you'd probably lose all of the awesome girls who refuse to charge that low.

Yes I'm sure that most of the good escorts could easily make more than $100 /hour working outside the sex industry and would just move on to other jobs to make the same money if there was a $100/h cap on escorting.

And I also believe in the easter bunny, santa claus and the great pumpkin.

As far as the whole "union" thing goes. I do remember a long time ago when there was something similar going on in another Canadian city.

A bunch of the SWs decided to make a "Union" and set a "Union rate". Only girls in the union were allowed to work in certain parts of town and if any girls were caught accepting less than the union rate, or working in union territory without being in the union, they were hauled off and shown the error of their ways by big guys with baseball bats. Of course, the big guys with baseball bats had to be paid, so they started charging "Union dues" of 20% of what the girls were charging the Johns. Any girl who didn't pay the guys the 20% union dues was introduced to Mr Baseball Bat.

Gee what a wonderful thing that was, it really had huge benefits for the sex trade in that city.

Great idea Kim, bring in a Union.

 

[athaire]

If everyone were at $100 p/hour, in my opinion, most SP aren't going to care whether or not you're happy. You come back or you dont. Doesn't matter to them. It is quantity over quality and the cheaper her prices, the more men you can believe she's been with in that day. But, let me tell you, if you are client #5 for that day and she is tired, then probably the most common attitude you're going to receive will be, "alright, let's get this over with because I'm tired".

Great post......

I was thinking though that if every provider was at a 100 as you described that service would still win out at the end of the day wouldn't it? I mean you are still able to screen clientele the way you wished to stop assholes from seeing you and free up time for the "Good regular" clients no? The ladies that treated the clientele badly would in my opinion soon find themselves either with very little business or only clients that were less than desirable.

And for the record I think price fixing is a ridiculous idea at either end of the scale. The factors that make up the desisions by providers to charge what they do when they do are as numerous as the providers themselves.

What should be looked at in my opinion is the advertising of services, and perhaps the length of time in the trade in relation to the amounts charged for. Should a new girl with no experience be able to charge as much as someone like Angel that has over time built a reputation for solid service? I would use the construction trades as an example of new members of the work force working for less than those that have over a period of time proven themselves worthy of the wages being paid.

You don't see apprentices making journeyman rates......

 

[island-guy]

You don't see apprentices making journeyman rates......

Think of them as being more like professional athletes. Sometimes the older and more experienced ones still can't keep up with the fresh young new talent

It's a better comparison because, as with athletes, most of it is based on the luck of genetics but there is something to be said for experience, knowledge and practice.

 

[athaire]

Think of them as being more like professional athletes. Sometimes the older and more experienced ones still can't keep up with the fresh young new talent

It's a better comparison because, as with athletes, most of it is based on the luck of genetics but there is something to be said for experience, knowledge and practice.

LOL....I hadn't looked at it like that...

 

[JFF009]

What should be looked at in my opinion is the advertising of services, and perhaps the length of time in the trade in relation to the amounts charged for. Should a new girl with no experience be able to charge as much as someone like Angel that has over time built a reputation for solid service?

That would work if every one of us wanted the same thing. Fortunately we don't.

As you've stated above I actually prefer to be with someone with some experience and will often pay a little more for that.
At the same time I enjoy finding the "next" one. I love the hunt and have had the pleasure of sharing some time with some of the young ladies prior to them becoming known within the business.

As always it depends on what we are looking for. Ladies will always charge at a level that matches how they want their business to run. If they want to be real busy with a wide variety of clients they'll likely charge a little less whereas if they only want to see one client a day they'll be more likely to be a $300+ girl. There are plenty out there that will pay it.

N2O...I loved the OP. Very nicely done. Had a good chuckle from it.

 

[island-guy]

I didn't say to bring in a union. You sure are bitter, aren't you? Why is that?

Maybe you should go back and re-read your own posts, you seem to have forgotten what you said.

Not bitter in the least, just ran out of patience with stupidity, I guess. Time for a vacation.

You were the one talking about forced minimum prices, it's been tried before, complete with Mr Baseball Bat. Didn't even work then.

And if you think that labour unions don't get violent with people who try to work without joining the union or people who try to work for a lower rate than the union dictates, then you have NO idea what a union is all about.

Why don't you google the terms Union and Violence and Right to Work. You'll find 100s of examples of news stories about Mr Baseball Bat.

 

[island-guy]

I didn't say to bring in a union.

Here, I'll even help you remember, and I added some emphasis on the most stupidly offensive part.

This is to say that service providers finally get a union and begin to evolve into rate control (ensuring that nobody grossly undercuts each other or waters down the market).

So, your UNION would ENSURE that girls don't charge below the union-dictated minimum rate, using Mr Baseball Bat, I suppose?

What a giant leap forward for the rights of sex workers.

Just brilliant.

 

[JFF009]

Yes I'm sure that most of the good escorts could easily make more than $100 /hour working outside the sex industry and would just move on to other jobs to make the same money if there was a $100/h cap on escorting.

Um...ask around. Most would leave the industry.

But I thought that most of the ladies that worked in this industry did so because they LOVE their job. They crave the sex.
If that's really how it is then it would seem likely that most would still work in it even at $100/hr.

Personally I've found comfort and good experiences in the $160-220 / hr range. I rarely go below or above.

 

[not2old]

No, I remember what I said.

I was not talking about forced minimum prices,

What is a fair city-wide MINIMUM rate for escorts?

Any lady can charge more than this amount, but nobody is allowed to charge less.

I don't see how this can be read any other way than proposing a forced minimum price.

 

[island-guy]

Labour unions (that are done legally and aren't half-assed ghetto attempts) are literally established by a group of employees working together towards equal and fair treatment for their profession.

http://www.unionfacts.com/articles/crimeViolence.cfm

So I guess that the United Mine Workers, United Auto Workers, Teamsters, California Nurses Union etc... are all "Half-assed ghetto attempts" at unions?

Unions are about intimidation, violence and ganging up on people. Many claim that it is only the employers who they will intimidate and gang up on but the moment a worker goes against the union, they quickly find out that the union will turn on them and attack viciously.

But hey, I'm sure that a sex workers union would be different. After all, sex workers are much more stable, non-violent and uniform in thinking than nurses!

You are just too clueless to bother discussing things with, gives me a headache.

But I'm sure that you've already forgotten what you previously said anyway, as we have to keep quoting you saying the things you deny saying.

 

[JFF009]

Unions are about intimidation, violence and ganging up on people. Many claim that it is only the employers who they will intimidate and gang up on but the moment a worker goes against the union, they quickly find out that the union will turn on them and attack viciously.

Not all unions act this way IG. At least not today. Like everything else there has been an evolution.
I've had to deal with unions as a manager for the past 20 years and the change over that time has been drastic.
It used to be all about greivances and strikes but today many unions prefer that greivances are avoided through communication. Maybe I'm just a lucky one.

 

[athaire]

Thanks.



Perhaps, but I don't know of any lady out there who charges $100 and screens her clients. I always figured that was a thing only higher-charging SP do. Mind you, I don't know many girls who charge under $100, so my experience in the matter is a little one-sided.
That may or may not be the case. I would submit that for instance taking your recent special, as an example only, you are not far off from 100 an hour. I am certain you are screening clients prior to seeing them are you not? I think that if there were a cap on salaries for providers the good ones would continue to operate as professionals and do exactly what they are now.
I don't think that they would throw their arms up and say fuck it to safety, security and that kind of thing. Not to mention the guys from the boards that they don't wish to see........

In theory, that would probably be the case, but in reality that just won't happen. There really are a lot of potential clients out there. All a bad SP needs to do is find new photos, blur the fact out, change her working name, and change her phone number. After that, all the guys that had her figured out before will phone her again thinking she is someone new.It's hard pinning these girls. It is too easy for them to slip away and start all over again.
LOL....that is attempted all the time now with less than stellar providers. You should give us the clients more credit, or at least as much as you want us to send your way. These boards work as a great network to ensure that we know very early on about bait and switch ploys etc. Perb and boards like it are the foil to these con artists.......




I agree. It is ridiculous. However, apart from the obvious topic of price fixing, I think such a topic also brings out other discussions about the market, quality of service, or even quality of environment. A figurative questions (no matter how unrealistic) can bring about the exchange of great ideas.

They can indeed depending on the mood of all the respondents.

Most service providers know without a doubt that a new girl's first and second month will be two of the most successful months she'll have in the business. This is what I call the "dollar sign" phase, because a lot of girls get started working, rake in tons of money (I hit it huge my first month), start seeing dollar signs in their eyes, blow all their money, then sit there wondering why they aren't making the same amount 2-3 months down the road.
this is an interesting statement. I hadn't considered the winfall of being a fresh face in the industry and having everyone wanting to see you due to being new. But you would think that pos feedback from the pooning community would indeed ensure that a provider would be able to continue with a very stable income. Or is pooner feedback really not a factor in this equation?
Frankly, it couldn't hurt to offer a training seminar to new workers to explain this to them so that they won't regret spending it all carelessly.
Agreed.....as would training in any career.

Yes, more experienced ladies should techically charge more, but (from what I've seen and heard) in most guy's minds "newer is better", so a lot of new girls will do well regardless if they start out charging $200-$250 p/hour as opposed to less.

Newer isn't necessarily better in a guys mind. Speaking from my own perspective newer simply means someone that hasn't been jaded as yet by the industry. I have seen several new girls in my pooning career being their first customer. That first session is usually very good as they are trying hard to impress. I have then gone back and seen them a year later and found the service to be markedly different with attempts to run the clock to lackluster service. The ladies that stay in and make this a real career and are hardworking and want to be successful will always do well. I would point to ladies like Nina and Very Veronica as prime examples of veteran providers who do well, and in my mind should be making more than newer providers that are simply trying to cash in.

 

[not2old]

I think throwing out an unreasonable "maximum" rate of $100 is not productive to the discussion. If we used a more reasonable maximum (lets say $250/hr) most of the arguments that were used with a $100 figure seem less relevant.

Personally I don't see that there is anyway that either a minimum, or a maximum rate would ever be accepted. In a free market society, imposed caps rarely achieve what they were originally intended.