Should girls be allowed to play boy's hockey/football/rugby/... contact sports?

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Should girls be allowed to play in boy's sports leagues?

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georgebushmoron

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It's incredible. I'm personally sick and tired of the politically correct age, where we have to have a debate once again about people's rights vs. common sense. The flavor this time, in Vancouver, is the right of girls to play boy's contact sports (hockey - its "hoser land").

Of course I am against it. I just read another opinion piece (from a woman) in the editorial of the local rag that it is "common sense" for a capable girl to play in the boy's league. And that such sports are where men can remain boys all their lives (which gets her off topic and shows her objectivity, doesn't it? It sure discredits her). She addresses such issues as whether or not boys will play differently if a girl was playing. My feeling is she doesn't have a clue about contact sports or the behaviour of males. This proponent of "rights" has no common sense, as is typical of most of them. And as usual, these people fail to adequately address the equal rights of the counterbalancing parties, such as whether or not boys should play in girls' sports. I for one would love to get into the locker rooms of the females in sychronized swimming.

So please vote. Let us all know what you think, and whether you are a male or female (if not already obvious).

Now as a bit of background to this, as for contact sports I am not a fan of hockey and I only really enjoy football during the Super Bowl. The only fully contact sport I really enjoy is boxing. And if any woman is stupid enough to exert her rights to box against a man, I'd definitely pay to watch her learn what that means.
 
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necko

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Sure why not?If they have the same skills again why not.When I was in Highschool we would have loved to have had a couple of girls in our locker room.
 
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georgebushmoron

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jjinvan said:
Do I think that girls should be able to play hockey, or football or whatever the heck they want? Sure.

Do I think that girls should be able to play on boys teams? No.

The reasoning here is actually pretty darn simple. Suppose you said that 'if the girls are good enough, they can play on boys teams' well, what happens then? All the best girl players wind up on boys teams, and those left to play on girl's teams are the 'leftovers'.

Next, of course, you can't disciminate against the boys either, so any boy who gets cut from the boy's team should be allowed to try out for the girl's team. Heck, if the girls who are 'good enough' for the boys teams can play on them, they why couldn't the boys who aren't good enough for the boys teams but who are good enough for the girls teams be able to play on the girls teams?

But then, hey guess what.. Might as well do away with boys teams and girls teams and just have an A league and a B league where the better players are in the A league and the others are in the B league.

Now, how long do you think it would be before 99% of the players in BOTH leagues are boys? And what happens then? That 1% of girl players gets discouraged, marginalized, harassed and teased etc and winds up quitting and *poof* no girls sports at all.

Great idea, eh?

So, if they REALLY want to get rid of all the girl's teams and just have boys playing at all, well, sure, let the best girls play on the boy's teams.
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Personally I'd love to see men vs. women amateur (olympic) wrestling. In that sport, it is legal to pull on the opponents clothing. It might make the sport a lot more popular from an audience standpoint.
 
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hornyitalian06

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Girls should not be allowed to play in a boy's league:cool:
 
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necko

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hornyitalian06 said:
Girls should not be allowed to play in a boy's league:cool:
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Why not? If there skill levels are the same I don't have a problem with girls and boys on the same team same leaque.Aren't the military mixed? Just asking about that, why not?
 
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It causes a lot of problems in the real world. In the community center where our team plays there are two change rooms for each rink. Do parents really want their teenage daughters naked in a changeroom with a bunch of naked guys? Where will the extra changerooms and washrooms come from? You can't have one for girls and one for boys because then you would have to put the opposing teams into the same changeroom, and if it has been a "heated" game that would be very bad.
After a certain point the physical differences between the genders make the whole argument almost silly. If you look at the pictures of the Pasternak sister who was trying out for defence, she is dwarfed by the three guys standing next to her. Imagine a 5' 8" 160lb girl getting run into the boards by a 6' 2" 225lb guy. And then there's the occassional puck or butt end of a hockey stick in the face...
Hockey ain't fucking shuffleboard!
 
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westwoody said:
After a certain point the physical differences between the genders make the whole argument almost silly. If you look at the pictures of the Pasternak sister who was trying out for defence, she is dwarfed by the three guys standing next to her. Imagine a 5' 8" 160lb girl getting run into the boards by a 6' 2" 225lb guy. And then there's the occassional puck or butt end of a hockey stick in the face...
Hockey ain't fucking shuffleboard!
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If the girls can't overcome their physical disadvantages then its a non issue, they don't make the team. If they choose to play and get injured that's their problem. If against the odds some females with exceptional skills are able to overcome their physical disadvantages and compete at the same level I say let them play.

Imagine a 5'6 160 lb guy getting run into the boards by a 6'2 225lb or bigger guy. There's no way someone with such an obvious physical disadvantage could ever compete. ;) (Theoren Fleury)
 
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jjinvan said:
Do I think that girls should be able to play hockey, or football or whatever the heck they want? Sure.

Do I think that girls should be able to play on boys teams? No.
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exactly!

westwoody said:
It causes a lot of problems in the real world
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again, exactly!

Being treated equally doesn't mean playing on the same team.
 
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sirlickheralot said:
(Theoren Fleury)
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Yeah, I thought of Gretzky right after posting, but he was not a typical player.
 
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exactly!


again, exactly!

Being treated equally doesn't mean playing on the same team.[/QUOTEIf a girl has the same skill as the boys, yes it does mean playing on the same team. If they can't keep up or can't take the physical punishment of playing with boys than see ya. I don't believe you are giving the girls enough credit.The same was thought of guys like Clif Ronning that he couldn't take the physical. Because of his size.
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westwoody said:
It causes a lot of problems in the real world. In the community center where our team plays there are two change rooms for each rink. Do parents really want their teenage daughters naked in a changeroom with a bunch of naked guys? Where will the extra changerooms and washrooms come from? You can't have one for girls and one for boys because then you would have to put the opposing teams into the same changeroom, and if it has been a "heated" game that would be very bad.
After a certain point the physical differences between the genders make the whole argument almost silly. If you look at the pictures of the Pasternak sister who was trying out for defence, she is dwarfed by the three guys standing next to her. Imagine a 5' 8" 160lb girl getting run into the boards by a 6' 2" 225lb guy. And then there's the occassional puck or butt end of a hockey stick in the face...
Hockey ain't fucking shuffleboard!
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Mr. Woody sir yes I do beleive if we have to build more icerinks with more change rooms why not. we spend money or the gov't does on stupider things.
 
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tedsweettangv

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I actually voted yes, thinking people with the most skill should be able to play an there shouldn't be a boys team or a girls team. Then I read the posts and jjinvan made the comment

jjinvan said:
Now, how long do you think it would be before 99% of the players in BOTH leagues are boys? And what happens then? That 1% of girl players gets discouraged, marginalized, harassed and teased etc and winds up quitting and *poof* no girls sports at all.

Great idea, eh?

So, if they REALLY want to get rid of all the girl's teams and just have boys playing at all, well, sure, let the best girls play on the boy's teams.
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And I changed my mind
 
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I voted 'yes' for the following reasons:

1. girls mature faster than boys and often have better skills, including
maturity, at most ages before puberty ... therefore,

2. where girls can be competitive with the boys they should be allowed
to try out for the team and play if they have the skills and knowledge.

After that, most boys become equal to most girls and by the time you
compare the men to women, the advantage goes to the men in most
sports, like it or not, pc or not.

now, does that mean that every sport in every town has to accomodate
every girl that wants to play with the boys? a lot would depend on
circumstances such as are there other opportunities and does she have
the same skill set as the boys.

past a certain age, my answer is a resounding 'no!' to the whole issue.

One final thing: MANY 'amateur' sports are treated at too young an age
like it is Monday Night Football ... very bad for the kids and should be
stopped ... if including girls makes the games 'amateur' and fun again,
the so be it.

Too many promising careers have been screwed up by parents, coaches
and players who believe pee-wee hockey is a full contact sport!
 
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necko

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I go to my grandsons hockey games at no time is anyone naked in the changeroom.So I again say why not?Sso guys who say nay , what about the military they play war together we do have women in the Middleast should they be not allowed to serve there country?
 
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jjinvan said:
Next, of course, you can't disciminate against the boys either, so any boy who gets cut from the boy's team should be allowed to try out for the girl's team. Heck, if the girls who are 'good enough' for the boys teams can play on them, they why couldn't the boys who aren't good enough for the boys teams but who are good enough for the girls teams be able to play on the girls teams?
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There's a big difference between letting a girl move up and compete at a higher level and letting a boy to move down to the girls level and compete. Allowing the girl to compete against boys not only doesn't give her an unfair advantage it puts her at a disadvantage, if she's able to compete I'm impressed. The boy moving down however has an unfair advantage over his competition.

There's a double amputee runner who has put up some impressive times and is looking compete in the Olympics. If he is able qualify and to compete against the worlds best able bodied runners does that mean that able bodied runners have to be allowed into the paralympics. Of course not his moving up to the highest level doesn't give him an advantage.

Double Amputee
 
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Why? Ugly girls would fit in with the guys better. You wouldn't notice the difference.
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Nicely played.....always a good idea to take a shot at the crowd who pays your bills.

Sounds like dynasour (sic) logic to me :cool:
 
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Anita's Massage said:
Why? Ugly girls would fit in with the guys better. You wouldn't notice the difference. :p
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Yea Anita uw'd fit right in!MY point is we are not are that different in what we want girls can play hockey at a great skill level why not encourage them. the more players available the more teams there will be for them to play on.30 plus NHL teams is nothing when u think only 1/2 the population is encouraged to play.
 
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If they can, they should be able to. But they can't. There are no rules saying a woman can't play in the NHL. And yet the closest anyone ever came was as a publicity stunt for a fledgling franchise.

If a woman can contribute to a team, and be able to go into the corners and get pummelled by the likes of Todd Bertuzzi, all the power to her. But no such woman exists.

The so-called feminists who rally for this type of "change" (as I said, there are no actual rules expressly prohibiting females from pro sports, so I'm not sure what they're fighting against) want to change the game so that it can be played by both sexes, as though that would constitute some kind of victory and the empowerment of women.

Whatever. It's some woman who had a deadline to come up with a story, so she drummed up a contrived "controversy." Talk shows gotta produce content, newspapers gotta fill the pages, radio can't have dead air.

It's a non-story.
 
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