would you trust this (transgender) woman

[Very Veronica]

to inject your ass with cement and glue :crazy: hard to feel sorry for anyone

MIAMI -- Several possible victims have come forward alleging a woman posing as a Florida doctor and promising buttocks enhancement pumped their behinds with a toxic concoction of cement, superglue and flat-tire sealant, state health officials said Tuesday.

Oneal Ron Morris – who police say was born a man and identifies as a woman – was arrested Friday after nearly a year of being sought and charged with practicing medicine without a license with serious bodily injury. Authorities say a victim who was looking to get a job at a nightclub and wanted a curvier figure paid Morris $700 for the injections in 2010. Morris allegedly used some type of tubing and inserted the toxic chemicals into her backside during a painful procedure.

The victim, who is not being identified due to medical privacy laws, suffered permanent scarring around the injection sites. Shortly after the surgery, she went to the hospital, but left because she was too embarrassed to tell doctors about the procedure. The victim required multiple surgeries and had a 24-hour home health aide for an extended period of time, according to a statement from the Department of Health.

State health officials said Tuesday that several possible victims have since come forward alleging Morris performed similar procedures resulting in life-threatening injuries.

The 30-year-old Morris has since been released from jail on a bond. A phone listing for Morris could not be found, and it's unclear if Morris has an attorney. Police say Morris performed the same surgery on herself.

Authorities said Morris may be part of an underground plastic surgery ring in South Florida. Health officials said additional arrests are possible, but did not elaborate because it's an ongoing investigation.

Investigators spent nearly a year tracking Morris throughout South Florida and said she moved frequently.

State health officials are encouraging other potential victims to contact them.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/22/botched-buttocks-surgery-charges_n_1108091.html

 

[Harmony-bc]

Wow, I don't even know what to say? Why would anyone want a booty that big? Its so disportionate!!!

 

[jesuschrist]

Hmmmm, a mix of cement, superglue and flat-tire sealant, you say?

Now I can understand the flat-tire sealant if you want a bigger ass (or tits), at least it will expand and might be soft, but cement and superglue??

Who in their right mind would use cement and superglue to make imitation soft human flesh??

It should be thrown in jail just for not having any common sense!

 

[Volpina Vance]

Jesuschrist, I had a strong response to your use of "it" earlier and probably could have been more diplomatic. However, it is degrading to refer to a human as "it".

For all, this person identifies as a woman vs. a man, a transwoman, or any other configuration of sexual/gender construction from what we know, and feminine pronouns are appropriate. Rarely, a person will prefer pronouns other than the ones we're used to, and will specify these - they're normally gender-neutral.

 

[InTheBum]

Why does most of the weird shit in the USA happen in Florida?

 

[vancity_cowboy]

in the bum should be booking a flight to south florida as we speak!

 

[jesuschrist]

Jesuschrist, I had a strong response to your use of "it" earlier and probably could have been more diplomatic. However, it is degrading to refer to a human as "it".

For all, this person identifies as a woman vs. a man, a transwoman, or any other configuration of sexual/gender construction from what we know, and feminine pronouns are appropriate. Rarely, a person will prefer pronouns other than the ones we're used to, and will specify these - they're normally gender-neutral.

Unfortunately (or rather fortunately), the English language does not provide us with a way to identify the transgender person as a gender. For men, we use "he". For women, we use "she". Another "problem" with English, is that the word "it" refers to many things - it refers to something genderless but human, or something unidentified between genders, or something that is not human. You can't purport to know which meaning of "it" I was using, but you could have given me the benefit of the doubt. Simply put, no pronoun in English is appropriate for identifying the gender of a transgender person.

At least in other languages, like German, there is a pronoun that is neither male nor female but is still a gender pronoun. For male, it is "der". For female, it is "die". For neuter, it is "das". For example, the word in German for "the girl" is "das Madchen". Note that a girl is referred not by the feminine "die" but the neuter "das". I assume it is because young girls are thought to be sexless. If English could afford us similar facilities in language, I would have used "das" on that person I was talking about, but unfortunately (or rather fortunately), I have no choice but to use "it".

 

[Volpina Vance]

Sorry to sidetrack the discussion, all.

Jesuschrist, if Morris identifies as a woman, we refer to her as a woman, using the pronouns we use for those of a feminine gender. The English binary of "she" vs. "he" is problematic, you're right, but it's problematic because gender is a lot more complex than biological sex. Morris constructs her identity as feminine ("as a woman" in the article), and even if popular English usage allowed for alternative or neuter pronouns, we don't know that she would adopt those over "she". English-speakers do adopt genders not conceptualized around a binary or "spectrum", and some might not mind self-referring as "it" in a tongue-in-cheek manner, which is different than being referred to by others as "it", where it's more difficult to determine intent. However, I think the article is clear that Morris sees herself as female and feminine, and "she" is appropriate.

I'm sorry, I may have sounded more abrupt above than I intended. However, I really feel that the use of "it" to describe a person is dehumanizing, regardless of how unexpected their presentation.

 

[Volpina Vance]

On another note, while Morris' "patients" suffer the effects of her wildly unethical behaviour, others undergo similarly dangerous procedures wittingly, not being able to afford safe surgery. See page 162:

http://books.google.ca/books?id=VOv...hy of a category&pg=PA162#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

[vancity_cowboy]

Sorry to sidetrack the discussion, all.

Jesuschrist, if Morris identifies as a woman, we refer to her as a woman, using the pronouns we use for those of a feminine gender. The English binary of "she" vs. "he" is problematic, you're right, but it's problematic because gender is a lot more complex than biological sex. Morris constructs her identity as feminine ("as a woman" in the article), and even if popular English usage allowed for alternative or neuter pronouns, we don't know that she would adopt those over "she". English-speakers do adopt genders not conceptualized around a binary or "spectrum", and some might not mind self-referring as "it" in a tongue-in-cheek manner, which is different than being referred to by others as "it", where it's more difficult to determine intent. However, I think the article is clear that Morris sees herself as female and feminine, and "she" is appropriate.

I'm sorry, I may have sounded more abrupt above than I intended. However, I really feel that the use of "it" to describe a person is dehumanizing, regardless of how unexpected their presentation.

you place too much emphasis on what 'morris' considers herself. you don't place any emphasis on what jc and i consider it to be

if morris considered itself to be an alien from the constellation virgo, that would not alter the fact in one tiny bit what we should consider it to be. this is called 'manning up'. its a mars/venus thing and yes it's dehumanizing - and your point is?

 

[jesuschrist]

Sorry to sidetrack the discussion, all.

Jesuschrist, if Morris identifies as a woman, we refer to her as a woman, using the pronouns we use for those of a feminine gender. The English binary of "she" vs. "he" is problematic, you're right, but it's problematic because gender is a lot more complex than biological sex. Morris constructs her identity as feminine ("as a woman" in the article), and even if popular English usage allowed for alternative or neuter pronouns, we don't know that she would adopt those over "she". English-speakers do adopt genders not conceptualized around a binary or "spectrum", and some might not mind self-referring as "it" in a tongue-in-cheek manner, which is different than being referred to by others as "it", where it's more difficult to determine intent. However, I think the article is clear that Morris sees herself as female and feminine, and "she" is appropriate.

I'm sorry, I may have sounded more abrupt above than I intended. However, I really feel that the use of "it" to describe a person is dehumanizing, regardless of how unexpected their presentation.

It would be nice to take Morris' word for it. That would make a very nice world. But would you like it if I suddenly decided to identify myself as a woman, and walked into the women's bathroom, or the changeroom of a swimming pool, and took off my clothes to reveal my penis, but told you I'm just a pre-op transgender and I'm on hormones, and I want you to call me a "she" because I like to wear women's panties, and I am a all female just like you and I was just born in the wrong body? And by the way, I'm a lesbian to boot, so please excuse me while I leer at all you naked girls - I just want to be just like you!

Tell me with a straight face please, that you would put up with it without stiffening your spine at all.