Winnipeg and its indy ladies

[ziggy]

I am not sure where this should be so if its in the wrong place I apologize.

I was speaking with two of the women I have seen on and off through Escorts Canada and each had expressed what their personal thoughts and opinions are about the situation with LE etc as of late.

They asked me what I thought they should do. I recommened that they speak with a lawyer who knows this part of the law, as I am not a lawywer and wish I could lead them in the right direction.

It is very obvious that it is ladies who are both outcall and incall indy that are bieng targetd and this will not stop anytime soon from my understanding.

They are handing out tickets for escort without a license yet these women can not get a license if they wanted one so where are they to turn?

Do they work for one of these agencies or do they keep getting fined and even face criminal records.

Agencies are to keep record of thier clients and have to produce these records of asked by the authorieties etc, is that what we want as pooners.

What do you think as pooners who enjoy a prequent independents because they are independent?

I do not have the answers but wondered if anyone wanted to have some dialogue about this.

 

[Packet]

Scam

The indy ladies should pool their resources together to hire a lawyer.
How can you get ticket for no lic, but you can't get a lic.

Or they can join an agency part-time and get the full license protection I guess. I don't know which agency would let you see people independently...

They are handing out tickets for escort without a license yet these women can not get a license if they wanted one so where are they to turn?

Do they work for one of these agencies or do they keep getting fined and even face criminal records.

 

[bartsimpson01]

Here's a thought?

I wonder if this "sting" has anything to do with the new Chief of Police coming into office?.Just weird how this sort of thing, to my knowledge, could be wrong, has never seemed to happen much, now bam, all the girls are slowly becoming targeted.Really would not surprise me.

 

[shedevil]

...i wonder if there's any "L.E" guys reading this? ....f**k your moms!!

Of course they are. Notice all the "New" handles cropping up here? I guess it's appropriate to tell them to go fuck themselves considering they know who you are already.

Maybe someone should give an interview or post a blog for good measure. That'll help.

SD

 

[ladyluck]

I wasn't going to do this perb stuff, cause it's not my style but....

getting a licence is not an option. Then you can't work past midnight or before 9am, no incalls (either way but thats not gonna stop lol) and an escort agrees not to exchange sex/sexuall services for ca$h!!! Sooo if you have a license and get busted hustling... your out 4g's n a bullsh!t licence...damn that johnny law!!!

...i wonder if there's any "L.E" guys reading this? ....f**k your moms!!

TeeHee, I already told you what I thought of that post. It brought a little humor to the situation.
Sometimes people are uptight, and think they are untouchable.

 

[Avery]

Am I the only one who has no clue what Heidi`s post is about? I know her first language isn`t English, but her post is incomprehensible to me.

And, this post by Symone is just plain gibberish, not to mention the atrocious grammar, syntax and spelling:

Get outta town heidi!!! LMFAO!!!...you totally should have had him leave the his unifrom on, nice lol!!! ....just not the hat there not so hot. I think a few years ago it would have been more of a shoker but after a few years in and out of the sence.. you know, there only human!

Shedevil i`m just playn, if they beat me up with phonebooks because of my joke it`s worth it. It broke some tension ALOT of the ladies are feeling. in time`s like this we, cut that MOST of us could use a laugh!!!

Symone, you have absolutely no credibility here, after what you did last year to one of your clients (posted his real name and phone number, and ridiculed him on your blog).

For those who don`t know what I`m talking about:

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=67847&highlight=Symone

 

[PedroPistol]

Well I hardly ever post, but after reading the link that Avery just put up now I won't give out any personal Info to any sp. I have tried to contact three sp's that I have never seen before and I'm getting reply's of " I need a reference or personal info" or the best one " F**k You, I know your a Pig!!.
I called a girl that I have seen before and doesn't advertise and asked if she had any available time and made a date. I realize the ladies are really nervous right now and its understandable, but living in fear is never good.

Anyways, not much of a talker, and I have to drive out west now and beat the impending blizzard. Aww Winnipeg in the spring time

 

[ihatebullshit]

Symone, you have absolutely no credibility here, after what you did last year to one of your clients (posted his real name and phone number, and ridiculed him on your blog).

For those who don`t know what I`m talking about:

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=67847&highlight=Symone

I have to agree with Avery, any SP that does that to any client, I will never have anything to do with, nor should anyone else. If she has done it before she will do it again

 

[plumbcrawl]

....I was counting on someone to resurrect the past, and honestly avery i thought it would be you, good comin' threw!!!

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I think that the past should be brought up when it comes to the issue of discresion. It is probably the most important part of a SP/client relationship. If a SP has a history of throwing clients under the bus, this is the place to let other clients know that they are not safe when the visit certian SP. There is no way to duck this issue symone, time will not cure this. Just because you have moved on doesn't mean it never happened. It was a childish thing to do and had the potenial to do long term harm. This will continue to haunt you in this town for a very long time....SP expect privacy, so clients should be afforded the same

 

[PedroPistol]

Oh well should I comment it? Probably not

Heidi Heisss

PS: I certainly do have a nice bummmmm

Yes You do have a nice bum

 

[Sixpak]

Oh well should I comment it? Probably not

Heidi Heisss

PS: I certainly do have a nice bummmmm

Now that makes cents!!!!!!

 

[ladyluck]

I think that the past should be brought up when it comes to the issue of discresion. It is probably the most important part of a SP/client relationship. If a SP has a history of throwing clients under the bus, this is the place to let other clients know that they are not safe when the visit certian SP. There is no way to duck this issue symone, time will not cure this. Just because you have moved on doesn't mean it never happened. It was a childish thing to do and had the potenial to do long term harm. This will continue to haunt you in this town for a very long time....SP expect privacy, so clients should be afforded the same

How is discretion involved in this thread. I'm not coming to any one's defense of making jabs at anyone,,,,But for crying out loud whatever she did it was over a year ago. If you look at Symone's info, she is young and probably didn't realize that what she stated might hurt her credibility. But haven't we all done something vengeful,or went out of our ways to hurt someone. No one is perfect.
Avery, I think it was totally uncalled for you to bring up something from early 2007. Where you not scrutinizing someone on another board for bringing up an old thread. What did you just do? Brought up an ancient thread.
I commend Symone for being the first girl here to give the heads up to the girls on the sting at the Victoria.
She had the guts to save other girls from this predicament.
I guess some people just don't get second chances, just keep on bashing away. What else is new?

PS, It's spelled DISCRETION, seeing as all the grammar police are on alert.

 

[Oliver Clozov]

OH man I forgot to mention something what happened end of December 2007. I come into hotel to see... another girl from our agency with two guys The door is open I am coming in.... make three steps. Its Delta hotel direct downtown. There is a guy in police uniform. I feel dizzy, my heart is pumping (I didnt do anything wrong, but you know how its)......I say: hi, I think I am wrong. I am sorry. Some another stupid things. He is laughing and says: Great ass, Olivia... wanna some wine? I say: I dont drink any alcohol. I really dont.. But In this case I will. From the neighbour room I hear how... another SP is screaming coming... dirty talk... etc... sounds they have tons of fun. The cope: ok make call to check in. I: what? Can I just go? The cope: You dont like me... would it help I take off my working clothing? I say: YES... take off your clothing.. You look hot. He is laughing... says: I know you dont like socks... Steve said. The doors opens... the naked guy who I have seen eeee 15 times comes out. Steve says: hi... how are you? I: WTF???? You are working for police. Steve: yes... can I arrest you in doggy. I: oh well........... yes you can.
What can I say:
GOD bless TORONTO ................... because they look hot and they know that they have hot girls around... WHY not to mix business and pleasure

Heidi Heisss

Good story Heidi a little hard to follow but I enjoyed it none the less.

 

[I Love My Boots]

Thank you, Symone.

 

[plumbcrawl]

I commend Symone for being the first girl here to give the heads up to the girls on the sting at the Victoria.
She had the guts to save other girls from this predicament.

I commend Avery for being the first client to give the heads up to other clients.
He had the guts to save other clients from this predicament.

 

[shedevil]

I know I'm not the only one who has begun to ask for references. In keeping with these new standards, I find it hard to accommodate a gentlemen on shorter notice with the additional hoops that they have to go through.

Guys, it may be a good idea to start getting referrals from other ladies even for "potential/I may/I may not" visits. That would make the referral process go by a lot more smoothly. I would find it hard to comforted by a perb handle. Especially since the amount of lurkers triple that of contributors.

Just a thought.
SD

 

[JustAGuy]

How is discretion involved in this thread. I'm not coming to any one's defense of making jabs at anyone,,,,But for crying out loud whatever she did it was over a year ago. If you look at Symone's info, she is young and probably didn't realize that what she stated might hurt her credibility. But haven't we all done something vengeful,or went out of our ways to hurt someone. No one is perfect.
Avery, I think it was totally uncalled for you to bring up something from early 2007. Where you not scrutinizing someone on another board for bringing up an old thread. What did you just do? Brought up an ancient thread.
I commend Symone for being the first girl here to give the heads up to the girls on the sting at the Victoria.
She had the guts to save other girls from this predicament.
I guess some people just don't get second chances, just keep on bashing away. What else is new?

PS, It's spelled DISCRETION, seeing as all the grammar police are on alert.

Surely you can't be serious. Clients should just overlook Symone's betrayal of a client's personal info and attribute it to her being young and not knowing any better? I'm sure that's great consolation to the guy whose life she could have ruined. If someone is too dense to understand something very basic about the business, they probably ought not to be in the business in the first place. Avery is to be commended for reminding people about what Symone did, not chided for doing so. Try giving your head a shake to clear the cobwebs before posting something so absurd.

 

[sinfulsydnee]

Great idea!

I know I'm not the only one who has begun to ask for references. In keeping with these new standards, I find it hard to accommodate a gentlemen on shorter notice with the additional hoops that they have to go through.

Guys, it may be a good idea to start getting referrals from other ladies even for "potential/I may/I may not" visits. That would make the referral process go by a lot more smoothly. I would find it hard to comforted by a perb handle. Especially since the amount of lurkers triple that of contributors.

Just a thought.
SD

I have been compiling a list of clients that I am comfortable referring to other ladies...this list is very basic, first name and perb (or other board) handle if they have one...my question is, would it be appropriate to keep an email or cell phone number to differentiate between the 12 guys named Dave who do not use the review boards?

SD, I know you have given me a reference for a client and I would certainly do this for any of the ladies...but I have called at least 3 ladies for references who haven't replied to emails or voicemails - some clients have only been able to provide one reference - so, if the lady isn't willing or able to return a call/email...unless that client is willing to use other means for verification, unfortunately I am unable to book him...do you have any other suggestions?

 

[Avery]

Everyone is jumpy right now, because of the prevailing atmosphere. The ladies are understandably leery of new clients, fearing they could be LE or bylaw inspectors, so they demand real names and phone numbers or referrals from other ladies before taking bookings. On the other hand, clients are even more reluctant than usual to provide such information, because they're not sure if they can trust the ladies' discretion and/or management skills, so they stick to the tried and true ladies they've seen before. However, I'm sure that 95% of the ladies can be trusted to be discreet and to destroy personal information after the first encounter is over.

When Symone posted in this thread, it twigged my memory, so I went back and decided to post a link to that thread from last year. Holly, the reason I did that was because of what Symone did at the time. She wasn't being vengeful; she was being malicious. She didn't out a bad client, she outed a client for no good reason. His only faults were that he was old compared to her and kinky. She had no problem providing the services he wanted. His reward was that she posted his real name, phone number and place of employment, among other personal details. It was obvious from her blog that her purpose was to entertain her friends, not warn her fellow SPs of a problem client. If she felt she had to entertain her friends with lurid details, she could have done so without identifying him.

Holly, I know you and the overwhelming majority of local SPs have far too much class to ever consider doing such a thing. The fact that Symone warned her fellow SPs of the sting may enhance her standing among SPs, but doesn't absolve her of her responsibility in the other matter. It will take a lot more than that to rehabilitate her reputation among local pooners.

I'm also not sure what to believe when ladies claim they destroy personal information after an encounter. I want to believe that, but I don't know for sure. Right now, in New York, there's a second scandal involving Eliot Spitzer, among others. A New York escort service was recently busted. Despite their claims that they didn't keep records, a spreadsheet containing personal information on over 2000 clients is now in the hands of LE and the New York Daily News! The lawyers defending the agency owner are threatening to release all these names. One of the names that's surfaced is that of New York Ranger shit disturber Sean Avery (no relation )

So, it looks like we'll all have to stick to those escorts and clients we've seen before for a while.

 

[sinfulsydnee]

My coupla cents...

We have recently adapted our booking policy to deal with the current situation...while it has definitely made booking appointments more time consuming, it has not really been any more challenging than that...

we are offering several options for new clients and they are working just fine for us...in fact some of the new clients are not only providing references or referals but also their names, address, phone numbers and work numbers...just so we feel comfortable seeing them...

I do keep first names and review board handles (if applicable) but everything else gets shredded...I don't keep personal client information on my computer...the biggest obstacle I have been facing is clients fearing that they could get busted in a session...

hopefully our local LE will be spending their time and resources dealing with things like the triple homocide in Brooklands and stop wasting time trying to appease whoever is lobbying the city to eradicate the indys...