Why are the Oilers sucking so bad right now?
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I have a feeling that one of two things will happen:
1. Lowe swings a trade for a scoring center. Offense is clearly the biggest problem, which tanked after Smyth and Horcoff got injured. Both are now playing again, but likely not at 100% health. And what about the rest of the guys? How much are they paying Peca and Pronger again? Goaltending is not the problem (except for tonight).
2. MacTavish and Simpson are turfed. MacT has worn out his welcome, and Simpson hasn't done a damn thing with the power play. I know that most of the coaching staff are former glory day Oilers, but that is clearly not being impressed onto their players. Not sure who's available, if Lowe himself is unable to step back behind the bench.
1. Lowe swings a trade for a scoring center. Offense is clearly the biggest problem, which tanked after Smyth and Horcoff got injured. Both are now playing again, but likely not at 100% health. And what about the rest of the guys? How much are they paying Peca and Pronger again? Goaltending is not the problem (except for tonight).
2. MacTavish and Simpson are turfed. MacT has worn out his welcome, and Simpson hasn't done a damn thing with the power play. I know that most of the coaching staff are former glory day Oilers, but that is clearly not being impressed onto their players. Not sure who's available, if Lowe himself is unable to step back behind the bench.
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i think one of the problems is that if the oilers oppenents would normally have there top checking people going up against horcoff and smyth but with them out there second line guys are now getting the best opposition has to offer. so its a trickle down affect and thus the problem with offense. once the oilers get both of their guys healthy again they will be a lot better off. can you imagine if naslund and bertuzzi were taking of the canucks because of injuries you would see that vancouver would be in the same boat or if iginla and say amonte or iginla and one other top flame offensive player were taking out of the lineup or not playing well. any team that is more offensive then defensive will struggle mightly if they lose there best players
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Well, here's a subject I hope ends soon. Oil are in the tank no doubt. What is missing is heart. They fly at times but show no killer instinct. The puck is not going in because they are not working in front of the net like thier opponents are. I do not agree that the Ol has two good goaltenders. Last night Markanan, how ever u spell that, was not in the game. You can tell a goaltender is lacking confidence when he's contantly going down before the shooter makes the move. In three of the six losses, the teams they played had stellar goaltending and the Oil founda way to give up a couple of softies and loose the tilt.
Put Kipprusoff in the pipes for the Oil and we'd be 6 and 3, not the other way around. They should have won these three LA, Phoen, and 2nd one against the Flames, the flames game Oil dominated the game til late in the second, then bang bang lets go home. At leat one of those not going in and your still in it. Wake up goalies, have a look around and stop steering rebounds right on to the opponents sticks!
Offence, get the fuck in front of the net and everyone shoot the fucking puck.
Get Rid of big slow players, with this new style they will not be able to adapt. We all know big George is there to beat people up, so with the new style, there seems to be less fighting and more skating. I don't know what they pay him but on a minutes played basis he's the highest paid player on this team. Jason smith has duked it out more than Big G this year. Don't go whinning to the league, grab Avery by the jersey and beat the fucking crap outa him.
Trade George, for a mil plus surely we can get someone that plays more than 3 min a game.
Should have signed Mes, just for the fact that he and Jason Smith would be mopping the dressing room with the drag asses that are showing no heart. That would be worth right ther more than George ever will be.
Peca get your shit together, but thanks for the face off stat, everyone has to be first in something, just too bad we're last in everything else.
Pick up the contact.
Oh, and Calgary, take Kiprusoff out of your line-up and yer fucked. Sutter is not going to take you anywhere. Face it, he's a clutch and grab coach and won't be able to adapt to the new style. Never played it, never coached it.
Every win you have purely is due to Kiprusoff. He can't play every game in a season.
They won't fire Mc T. two yearsago they went a 16-18 game stint with only one win. Time to call a spade a spade McT. Maybe work on your passing, every fucking idiot making over 500K a year surley can make a 15' pass that's not right in the skates. As soon as the opponent has 2 goals they forget how to pass. Then don't, beat someone instead. George.
My rant, and my appology to the guy who bought my tickets to that game.
Go Tampa.
Well, here's a subject I hope ends soon. Oil are in the tank no doubt. What is missing is heart. They fly at times but show no killer instinct. The puck is not going in because they are not working in front of the net like thier opponents are. I do not agree that the Ol has two good goaltenders. Last night Markanan, how ever u spell that, was not in the game. You can tell a goaltender is lacking confidence when he's contantly going down before the shooter makes the move. In three of the six losses, the teams they played had stellar goaltending and the Oil founda way to give up a couple of softies and loose the tilt.
Put Kipprusoff in the pipes for the Oil and we'd be 6 and 3, not the other way around. They should have won these three LA, Phoen, and 2nd one against the Flames, the flames game Oil dominated the game til late in the second, then bang bang lets go home. At leat one of those not going in and your still in it. Wake up goalies, have a look around and stop steering rebounds right on to the opponents sticks!
Offence, get the fuck in front of the net and everyone shoot the fucking puck.
Get Rid of big slow players, with this new style they will not be able to adapt. We all know big George is there to beat people up, so with the new style, there seems to be less fighting and more skating. I don't know what they pay him but on a minutes played basis he's the highest paid player on this team. Jason smith has duked it out more than Big G this year. Don't go whinning to the league, grab Avery by the jersey and beat the fucking crap outa him.
Trade George, for a mil plus surely we can get someone that plays more than 3 min a game.
Should have signed Mes, just for the fact that he and Jason Smith would be mopping the dressing room with the drag asses that are showing no heart. That would be worth right ther more than George ever will be.
Peca get your shit together, but thanks for the face off stat, everyone has to be first in something, just too bad we're last in everything else.
Pick up the contact.
Oh, and Calgary, take Kiprusoff out of your line-up and yer fucked. Sutter is not going to take you anywhere. Face it, he's a clutch and grab coach and won't be able to adapt to the new style. Never played it, never coached it.
Every win you have purely is due to Kiprusoff. He can't play every game in a season.
They won't fire Mc T. two yearsago they went a 16-18 game stint with only one win. Time to call a spade a spade McT. Maybe work on your passing, every fucking idiot making over 500K a year surley can make a 15' pass that's not right in the skates. As soon as the opponent has 2 goals they forget how to pass. Then don't, beat someone instead. George.
My rant, and my appology to the guy who bought my tickets to that game.
Go Tampa.
1) No offensive depth. They need more out of Dvorek, Hemsky, and Stoll and should have kept Schremp.
2) Shitty "D". I like Jason Smith, and would take him on my team any time, just not as my number 2 guy. Steve Staios number 3? I wouldn't trade any of the Canucks top 6 for him even up.
3) Goaltending. Right now they have two back ups that may develop at some point but they're not there yet. They should have signed Joseph. I can't stand the guy but I was at the Phoenix game Thursday and the fucker stood on his head.
4) MacTavish is a shitty coach and should have been gassed years ago.
2) Shitty "D". I like Jason Smith, and would take him on my team any time, just not as my number 2 guy. Steve Staios number 3? I wouldn't trade any of the Canucks top 6 for him even up.
3) Goaltending. Right now they have two back ups that may develop at some point but they're not there yet. They should have signed Joseph. I can't stand the guy but I was at the Phoenix game Thursday and the fucker stood on his head.
4) MacTavish is a shitty coach and should have been gassed years ago.
The Oilers are a team that rely heavily on hard work and goaltending to be sucessful. When these two componets are not there, they lose. They have good young talent and their day will come. In the meantime, I`m hearing Lowe has his eyes on Olie Kolzig of Washington. Besides his big ticket contract, the Oil will have to give up some of their good young prospects to get him.
Tent peg indeed
Hey wolverine I agree, and the best part was when he was turtling big George
was trying to stand the fucker up so he could really give it too him. George is there to stir it up and he needs to be used more for that. He is not aan offensive player at all. Was that his first scrap this year? My point was really we need four lines on the ice and he is only seeing a couple of minutes a game. Tell ya, he'd have been over the boards for the faceoff when Calg scored the second goal in last game if I were coaching. Change something this shift, George. I love the guy, he's our hero, but nobody will scrap him anymore.
Bubbles, yesterday's game was not on the list of the three we should have walked out of with a win. The oil dominated Calgary in the last game until it was 2-0. Both on soft goals 1:11 apart. The games I mentioned were ones we outplayed the op til something went wrong.
Hey wolverine I agree, and the best part was when he was turtling big George
was trying to stand the fucker up so he could really give it too him. George is there to stir it up and he needs to be used more for that. He is not aan offensive player at all. Was that his first scrap this year? My point was really we need four lines on the ice and he is only seeing a couple of minutes a game. Tell ya, he'd have been over the boards for the faceoff when Calg scored the second goal in last game if I were coaching. Change something this shift, George. I love the guy, he's our hero, but nobody will scrap him anymore.
Bubbles, yesterday's game was not on the list of the three we should have walked out of with a win. The oil dominated Calgary in the last game until it was 2-0. Both on soft goals 1:11 apart. The games I mentioned were ones we outplayed the op til something went wrong.
No fucking kidding....it's October, for cryin' out loud....you guys (Flames fans' also) gonna do this every time the team hits a tough spot? Give 'em a chance.Jump Jack Flash said:
Yeah, whatever.Jump Jack Flash said:
Go Habs!
It's way too early to jump off the bandwagon Oiler fans! But what the Oiler been needing and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out for the last several seasons is offense. It you can't score, well good goal tending can only take you so far. "Olie the Goalie"... I hope not, his better days are behind him.
Big power fowards that isn't afraid of taken it to the net is needed. Ryan Smyth can only do so much in front of the net by himself and I consider Smyth more of a middle weight. On the other hand, power forwards like Bertuzzi are not a dime dozen to begin with.
Coaching has to adjust. MacT, has to adjust the team style, based on the players he has availble. The Oilers can't "out gun" the other teams anymore, not since the long long days of Mess and Gretz. Hang in their Oiler fans!
Big power fowards that isn't afraid of taken it to the net is needed. Ryan Smyth can only do so much in front of the net by himself and I consider Smyth more of a middle weight. On the other hand, power forwards like Bertuzzi are not a dime dozen to begin with.
Coaching has to adjust. MacT, has to adjust the team style, based on the players he has availble. The Oilers can't "out gun" the other teams anymore, not since the long long days of Mess and Gretz. Hang in their Oiler fans!
He wanted to stay here, but his bitch SO wanted him back in the States.JackFrost said:
Lowe did go after Peter Forsberg, Pavol Demitra and Jason Allison during the free agent feeding frenzy in August, but to no avail.
Rumors are that he's waiting for the Devils to put Viktor Kozlov or Scott Gomez on the block once Elias is back from injury because of the salary cap. That way, the Oil only have to give up draft picks or minor leaguers because the cap prevents NJ from adding more NHL players.
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I like K-LOWE a lot, but MACT has too much say in E-Town.
MAC-T loves his pluggers. He can't coach offensive talent. He coaches puck possesion with out generating real scoring chances. The opposition is happy to give you the half board / corner cycle. Especially if you don't try to work the puck to the front of the net.
Everyone else is capable of working the puck to the front of the net.
I am sure HORCOFF gave him head to get his icetime.
HORC will be a 60 point guy with 20+ minutes of ice.
The team plays scared to make a mistake.
I am quite sure K-LOWE was talking about why Shremp should stay and learn at the NHL level, and MAC-T was telling him why he wasn't ready. MAC-T is completely risk adverse.
GEORGES can't skate well enough to create havoc, and he always fights at the wrong time.
MAC-T juggles the lineup too much.
OVERALL the Oilers continue to fail on some of the most important parts of Hockey.
1) The OVER estimate their offensive talent. They continually mistake their situational scorers as guys that can create offense. This isn't the case. The Oilers need 2 or 3 more players that make others better.
2) You cannot combine 'balanced' (no star offense) with a lack of a number one goalie. The put too much pressure on each other. Which is a huge problem. "Situational Scorers" can't create offense when the pressure to create offense is there. That is why they are not 50 goal scorers. And number 2 goalies let in the odd bad goal, and more than the odd bad goal when the pressure is on. Vicious circle.
3) Most importantly. The organization has tried and tried the steady as she goes tactic. Slow development. You need to take the good with the bad. Guys don't learn to play in the NHL by playing in the minors. They learn to play in the NHL by playing in the NHL. The desire to finish 8th has hampered this team for years.
You draft in the middle with no chance at good players, plus your new players don't get a chance to play in the NHL, so you never learn what they are really about.
Here is the deal. Pronger is a very good hockey player. He made 4 or 5 great passes in the Calgary game (no finish on the forwards part), plus he isn't taking stupid penalties to make things worse.
Peca is a good 2 way centre. Why because he isn't a good offensive centre.
Stoll is good. Future #2 centre and power play key.
Markannen is good for 30 games (allowing the OIL to pick up a older number 1 goalie).
They should have kept Shremp (he will be bored in Junior by December).
Hemsky needs a real sniper.
Ryan Smyth is of little value to this team (more value to deeper team), as he doesn't make other players better.
Other than that they could all be traded.
I think MacTavish is a great guy, probably an OK assistant coach working on Team defense, but he is a BAD head coach.
I like K-LOWE a lot, but MACT has too much say in E-Town.
MAC-T loves his pluggers. He can't coach offensive talent. He coaches puck possesion with out generating real scoring chances. The opposition is happy to give you the half board / corner cycle. Especially if you don't try to work the puck to the front of the net.
Everyone else is capable of working the puck to the front of the net.
I am sure HORCOFF gave him head to get his icetime.
HORC will be a 60 point guy with 20+ minutes of ice.
The team plays scared to make a mistake.
I am quite sure K-LOWE was talking about why Shremp should stay and learn at the NHL level, and MAC-T was telling him why he wasn't ready. MAC-T is completely risk adverse.
GEORGES can't skate well enough to create havoc, and he always fights at the wrong time.
MAC-T juggles the lineup too much.
OVERALL the Oilers continue to fail on some of the most important parts of Hockey.
1) The OVER estimate their offensive talent. They continually mistake their situational scorers as guys that can create offense. This isn't the case. The Oilers need 2 or 3 more players that make others better.
2) You cannot combine 'balanced' (no star offense) with a lack of a number one goalie. The put too much pressure on each other. Which is a huge problem. "Situational Scorers" can't create offense when the pressure to create offense is there. That is why they are not 50 goal scorers. And number 2 goalies let in the odd bad goal, and more than the odd bad goal when the pressure is on. Vicious circle.
3) Most importantly. The organization has tried and tried the steady as she goes tactic. Slow development. You need to take the good with the bad. Guys don't learn to play in the NHL by playing in the minors. They learn to play in the NHL by playing in the NHL. The desire to finish 8th has hampered this team for years.
You draft in the middle with no chance at good players, plus your new players don't get a chance to play in the NHL, so you never learn what they are really about.
Here is the deal. Pronger is a very good hockey player. He made 4 or 5 great passes in the Calgary game (no finish on the forwards part), plus he isn't taking stupid penalties to make things worse.
Peca is a good 2 way centre. Why because he isn't a good offensive centre.
Stoll is good. Future #2 centre and power play key.
Markannen is good for 30 games (allowing the OIL to pick up a older number 1 goalie).
They should have kept Shremp (he will be bored in Junior by December).
Hemsky needs a real sniper.
Ryan Smyth is of little value to this team (more value to deeper team), as he doesn't make other players better.
Other than that they could all be traded.
I think MacTavish is a great guy, probably an OK assistant coach working on Team defense, but he is a BAD head coach.
So if the Oilers with 3w 5L 1ot pts 7
mean they suck?
what do you call the Penguins with 0w 4L 4ot 4pts?
Division Leaders?
It's only 1/10 th of the way through the season and you're ready to push the panic button? this is one of many reasons why I haven't attended a NHL game in over 10 yrs.
mean they suck?
what do you call the Penguins with 0w 4L 4ot 4pts?
Division Leaders?
It's only 1/10 th of the way through the season and you're ready to push the panic button? this is one of many reasons why I haven't attended a NHL game in over 10 yrs.
