Thai editorial - Why can't we write like that

yazoo

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I was following the twists and turns of the coup in Thailand, and came across this editorial written in today's The Nation newspaper.

As I read it, I kept thinking - this was written by someone whose native language is not English. Why is it that our editorial writers so rarely construct and present arguments as cogently and eloquently as Pornpimol Kanchanalak? In fact, you don't have to travel overseas to find quality. A lot of the writing on this board is head and shoulders over the drivel that that is slapped onto the pages of our newspapers.


To the world: Please don't become part of Thailand's internal affairs problem


Pornpimol Kanchanalak
May 23, 2014 1:00 am
On Wednesday morning - the day after the Army Chief declared the martial law - Thailand was bombarded with criticism and warnings from overseas. The UN Secretary General, the US State Department, the European Union, etc, all decided to assume the role of big brother.

Meanwhile Western media swooped on Thailand like scavengers sensing a dying animal down below. They were full of opinions, yet devoid of the full facts and unbiased information.

The voice from overseas talked big ideals - that individuals' freedom must not be violated, and that the democratic process must not be tampered with. These notions are the Holy Grail of modern Western civilisation, something that tomb raiders like Laura Croft get lured in by and thrilled about.

It is true that Thailand is not an isolated island; we are part and parcel of the world community of nations. As such, the community has a legitimate reason to express its apprehensions over events in Thailand. However, while so doing, it must not try to conveniently insert itself into Thailand's troubled political equation. By choosing to remain oblivious to certain facts and the whole truth of why Thailand is where it is today, the world's condescending criticism is at best unfair and at worst downright wrong.

If facts are inconvenient to the world community, then it should have refrained from straying into territory with which it is unfamiliar, for the result of such meddling is counterproductive. In fact, its energy would have been better spent in trying to locate more than 200 kidnapped Nigerian girls and bringing the kidnappers to justice. After all, Thailand is not Iraq or Afghanistan, where national sovereignty was completely trampled down by the West in the name of counter-terrorism.

Article after article in major Western media outlets has failed to mention the massive abuse of power on the part of the government, its corruption of epic proportions, and the blood and tears of poor farmers who broke their backs working the soil only to see the cash owed to them for their crops go into offshore and local bank accounts of politicians and their cronies. They have failed to mention that it was the government's misplaced intransigence and hubris that brought out millions of honest taxpaying citizens into the streets, unable to tolerate the daylight robbery of national coffers that they had paid in to.

Western media have harshly criticised the Constitutional Court and the National Anti-Corruption Commission, depicting them as thorns in the side of Thai democracy. They overlooked the string of illegal actions by the government that led to the verdicts. The falsification of documents by the office of the then-prime minister is never mentioned because foreign press never bothered to study the verdict thoroughly. Truth be told, the verdict and impeachment of Ms Yingluck and her Cabinet was as good and as fair as the US Congress's decision to impeach Nixon over the Watergate case. In fact, the illegal acts, the cover-up, the abuse of power and the kickback schemes perpetrated by Nixon and his people pale in comparison with what the Thai government and its head did here.

And Nixon deserves credit for resigning when confronted with the full disclosures of his legal and administrative failing. In Thailand, the government twisted and bent the laws to serve its whim. It was selective over which laws it would follow and which legal interpretations it used. It didn't think twice before choosing the low road and demonstrating to the country that the laws only apply to little people like us, not them. And despite all this, it continued to insist on its "legitimacy", even when it had none left.

The Western media has chosen to ignore the torrent of vile epithets delivered by community radios and local cable TV, paid for by the powers-that-be and poisoning the minds of villagers and city-slickers alike, encouraging them to hate without really questioning whether what they hear is true or not. These media outlets love mentioning that Thaksin Shinawatra-led parties have managed to win every election for the last decade, but show no interest in the dirty political machine that got them into power.

The foreign press loves to drag the so-called elite, the "Amart", and the Palace into the picture because it sounds "sexy" and offers the intrigue of a conspiracy. But if pressed about what evidence they have of such interference, if they were honest they would admit they had none. Their "evidence" comes merely from the words of biased academics, who are keen to communicate with them in their language of conspiracy.

As for the "Democracy" word that the Western world so loves to preach, the bad news is we never had the genuine article, only the "appearance" - a phantom democracy. We had elections, but they are not synonymous with democracy. The check-and balance mechanism in our political regime has been destroyed, or marginalised, and rendered toothless. That's why wholesale fraud and corruption have been allowed to prosper, and we the people have little or no say in it.

So when the world fails to fully grasp our terrible political situation brought on by bad government, when it ignores the killing of innocent and unarmed protesters that is met by absolute inaction on the part of that government, when it chooses not to see the large cache of war weapons at a resort owned by a former member of the government party and frequented by key red-shirt figures, and when it won't act on information that bombs and grenades are being moved across the border and into Bangkok, it thereby loses any right to preach to Thailand about the imposition of martial law.

It seems certain that martial law is simply Round One of this national "Thai Fight", and that things have only just begun. The military is now playing referee. Most people agree it has provided a necessary breather, no matter how short the space and what will happen next.

In our complex political scene, it is already extremely difficult to separate the facts from the fictions, the good from evil, the right from wrong. We are one big baffled family, and uninformed, prejudiced overbearing interference from outside can only make the confusion worse. The very real threat is that such meddling can be easily exploited to tip the level-playing field of our politics, thereby smashing any chance for us, no matter how slim, to find our own Holy Grail.
 

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you are forgetting that the catholic schools in Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, and Thailand give very high caliber educations and many of the Singapore people speak better English than we do. (former part of the British empire)

an international corespondent assigned to Thailand may come from any of these countries and so its not surprising the high level of English and grammar structure contained in that editorial

probably an indication of how sloppy much of our editorial content is these days

good article, thanks for posting
 

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simple observation regarding the coup

its impossible to have peace without justice

corrupt governments are rarely just, so no peace

6 presidents in 10 years, obvious political crisis

both Thailand and Philippines have the same form of government as the US (modeled off of the US)

lesson learned, advanced democratic system only works well when accompanied by high caliber government officials who are a result of a good education system

free press must be allowed to function, when they are controlled by corrupt governments democracy falls apart or the rights of the individual fall apart and you do not have the rule of law protecting you

lower caliber officials with lower caliber education leads to corrupt democratic governments who's politics align with the western nations who turn a blind eye to the corruption because these countries are easy to control

exceptions, Singapore who have very high caliber education and government officials

not that I know anything, just some food for thought
 

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simple observation regarding the coup

its impossible to have peace without justice

corrupt governments are rarely just, so no peace

6 presidents in 10 years, obvious political crisis

both Thailand and Philippines have the same form of government as the US (modeled off of the US)

lesson learned, advanced democratic system only works well when accompanied by high caliber government officials who are a result of a good education system

free press must be allowed to function, when they are controlled by corrupt governments democracy falls apart or the rights of the individual fall apart and you do not have the rule of law protecting you

lower caliber officials with lower caliber education leads to corrupt democratic governments who's politics align with the western nations who turn a blind eye to the corruption because these countries are easy to control

exceptions, Singapore who have very high caliber education and government officials

not that I know anything, just some food for thought
So you are saying that Canadian and US governments are run by officials with lower caliber educations? That would account for our problems that have allowed us to turn into oligarchies?

Thailand's constitutional monarchy is modelled after that of the US?
 

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I think the confusion is over the names. It is loosely a copy of our constitutional monarchy Westminster system, however the two houses are named the House of Representatives and Senate, making it sound American.

House of Rep is 375 seats first past the post, 175 seats proportional representation
Senate is 76 seats elected, 74 appointed by the Senate Appointment Committee (who is part elected part appointed)

It's interesting that many of the reforms that have been proposed to our system are incorporated into theirs. Lot of use it's done them.

I think that often it is the smart politicians that you have to watch out for. Yingluck was impeached by a constitutional body that we don't have here - the National Anti-Corruption Commission. Now if we had a body like that here - they'd have plenty of fuel with our crowd of politicians.
 
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The coup in Thailand is no big surprise.The "redshirts" have been protesting for some time about the Thailand government lead by Yingluk Shinawatra for some time and they also caused the ouster of Thaksin Shinawatra.The Shinawatra lead regimes have been supported by the rural lower class (yellow shirts) and have been opposed by the "redshirts" repeatedly....the elections have been fair and just and in the last 2 elections the losers have nothing but sour grapes and have resorted to stuff like the court system to affect change that is different to the electoral process.

In short the military has taken over and enquiries will be made and then an election will be held and most likely the "yellow shirts" will achieve/win a majority and then over the next 5-7 years the wranging will go on and then there will be another military coup.

The Phillipines are a totally different situation as the political activism is just not there.In the Phillipines dictators such a Marcos win election and then another election and maybe another election and then get chased out of office due to corruption....and all the while Marcos was skimming the Phillipines Treasury and funneling the money into foreign accounts for when he fled the country.

Meanwhile in a democratic country such as Canada we get the best of both worlds....we have apathetic voters who get to vote in a truly democratic system and the election results are up-held....yet a good cross section does not vote due to apathy yet they complain about governance after the fact.Whilst our elected officials dont actually "steal" money from taxpayers they sure as hell do a good job of "legislating" entitlements to them as a whole via the MP Pension Plan...ANY elected MP gets a FULL pension if they sit in office for 5 years....and THAT pension dwarfs any CPP pension the average CPP contributing Canadian makes over his/her life time.

Then of course there are all the hidden perks that are not disclosed to the public such as expense accounts not to mention the Parliamentary Dining Room......the average Canadian does not get to eat there but they pay for it.If you ask anybody with a press pass about it they STFU because they might lose that privilege if the public found out.

Long story short....3rd world countries exploit the masses and there is corruption and people skip the country....in Canada our elected officials legislate themselves the gravy they want and dont have to flee the country.

SR
 

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SR: I think you've got your shirts backwards.:fear: The rape of the Philippine treasury and his mis-mangement was so sad - their currency was on par with the USD before him - now it's 40:1. Yet many Filipinos consider him the best president ever.

I pity the Thai electorate for they have few options. Both parties appear to have hidden militant wings, and after 6 months of protests those militant wings were gaining strength on both sides. This has to be the most reluctant coup ever - Gen. Prayeth is weeks away from retirement and has repeatedly stated that he had no desire to lead a coup.

On one side you have the curiously named Democrats, who as you said are actively preventing elections that they know they cannot win. The leader of these anti-government 'yellow shirts' Suthep_Thaugsuban resigned his seat before the Constitutional Court could hear corruption charges against him and went on to found the self-named People's Democratic Reform Committee. Oh and he was found criminally responsible for a journalist's assassination and more recently was charged with sedition.

On the other you have Peu Thai party - who have a populist agenda. Elected under Thaksin they brought in health-care, and education, and many infrastructure programs. Thaksin is a billionaire and declared his holdings when he became prime-minister as 15.1 billion baht. When he was stripped of his premiership his bank accounts were frozen and his assets found to be 76 billion baht. ($2.2 billion USD). He also saw a war on drugs where over 2,500 people died at the hands of police.

So on the next election his sister was elected. She promised a guaranteed price to rice farmers that far exceeded the world price or the country's ability to pay. As a result Thailand is sitting on a mountain of substandard rice that is rotting in warehouses - with the farmers unpaid, and little chance of selling the rice except at huge discounts. The people who will pay the price are the people who pay the taxes, who are neither the ultra-poor nor the ultra-wealthy.

Yes PT was democratically elected - twice - and yes they are very popular in the North and the East. The Thai media's description of PT as the 'Thaksin Clan' is accurate but ignores their electoral wins.

But those tens of thousands of people protesting on the streets waving the Thai flags were not 'elite' either. They were just regular joe's sick of paying taxes and seeing it all flushed.

Where I disagree with the author of the article is where he said that the checks and balances were not working. The Senate had thwarted Yingluck's amnesty bill, the anti-corruption people found her guilty and removed her from office - the checks and balances appear to be working. Why remove the remaining government? It seems that they were weakened enough that the elite were able to pull a few levers of power and administer the coup de grace.
 
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I think the confusion is over the names. It is loosely a copy of our constitutional monarchy Westminster system, however the two houses are named the House of Representatives and Senate, making it sound American.

House of Rep is 375 seats first past the post, 175 seats proportional representation
Senate is 76 seats elected, 74 appointed by the Senate Appointment Committee (who is part elected part appointed)

It's interesting that many of the reforms that have been proposed to our system are incorporated into theirs. Lot of use it's done them.

I think that often it is the smart politicians that you have to watch out for. Yingluck was impeached by a constitutional body that we don't have here - the National Anti-Corruption Commission. Now if we had a body like that here - they'd have plenty of fuel with our crowd of politicians.
Yes, but this commission of theirs is appointed by other politicians, presumably in this case people who don't like the current government. It is not impartial, and will be governed by politics, not justice. They wanted to get rid of the current Prime Minister, couldn't do it by the ballot box, so they did it another way.

It is not the same as an impeachment in the US, for example, were the decision is made by both the house and the senate, both bodies fully elected by the people.

Getting an impeachment through in the US requires a significant majority of elected federal officials to agree. You need a majority in the house to send it to trial by the senate, and there you require a 2/3rds majority. Not an easy thing to do unless the evidence is clear and convincing. In Thailand it was decided by 1 elected politician and 8 appointed ones. The process in Thailand is not even vaguely similar to that in the US, other than the word "impeachment".
 

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actually I think in the Canadian and US systems we have good education and relatively high caliber people, Thailand and Philippines not so. Singapore a resounding yes.

our problems stem from the fact our countries are so large and diverse, its amazing our government even works. major problems arise from issues like should things be governed at a federal level, provincial/state level?

equality between states/provinces? elected officials at a regional level not interested in national agenda, only self serving regional level (which is why at a congressional level the US can't fix the federal fiscal debt policies, its not their mandate, their mandate is to represent their constituents which are regional)

all in all though I believe our system works because for the most part the free press and opposition parties keep us informed and corruption is not tolerated. we get into trouble with various things but have the ability to self correct

if you take our system and allow a government to mute the opposition parties and control the free press, you have a dictatorship disguised as a democracy, since the west prefer this to communism, we can't bring international trade pressures to influence these countries. this is the problem with many countries, Thailand and Philippines included

just my thoughts.........no expert on world politics
 

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yes, very sad for the country of Thailand.

conflict mainly between rural areas and Bangkok elite who support a corrupt government

badly in need of a leader who can get away from self serving interests and unite the country (sounds like something everyone needs....)
 

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I guess the problem that I have with the Western media is that they pick sides, and then ignore - no not ignore - actively suppress anything that makes their own side look bad.

In this case they have sided with the incumbents as they are on the side of 'democracy' whatever the hell that is.

In the case of the Ukraine they sided with Ukraine who were trying to keep their country together against the nasty Russians who wanted a land grab.

The problem is they ignored , no - as I said - suppressed the face that 40 protesters were burned alive by their supporters.

Their is no grey with our media. Only black and white, good guys and bad guys.

Sometimes everyone is the bad guy. Thailand is one of those times.

Personally, I salute Preyuth. He's locked the children in a room, told them to "think of their country and not their own self-interests" and has essentially banged their heads together, told them to grow up and find a solution.

I hope that they do. Faint hope that it is.
 

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I guess you dont read too well. This is exactly what the establishment and anti government protesters were trying to achieve...

...I would suggest you read the Gwynne Dyer article again before thinking that this coup is in the best interests of the people of Thailand as a whole. It was exactly what the establishment through Suthep was trying to trigger as a means to regain the power they know they can never have through an actual election.
I read avidly, and form opinions based upon what I read. Just because I have formed an opinion that doesn't overlay precisely over yours is not an indication of lack of reading on either my part or yours.

I'm sure that Mr. Dyer is a very nice educated man, however he is just like you and me - a Canadian looking at another country through eyes that have been brought up in our experience.

Democracy is a religion in the west, a final pinnacle of civilization that causes us to look condescendingly at the rest of the world as if they are colonial savages.

Our focus on this shining light of democracy blinds us to all that is negative in the people that we are supporting. The, um, Democrats in Thailand have been undemocratic, so therefore we should completely ignore every point that they are making, every criticism that they have of the demonstrably corrupt PT.

I'm not a supporter of Suthep or the yellow shirts, or anyone else for that matter. I like Yingluk because she's hot, but politically she's a wimp. She could have been out there countering Suthep point by point, using the power of her position to present her case. Instead she retreated to Chiang Mai and said nothing, allowing his movement to gain power.

Anyway, it appears that the General's head-banging plan has failed. They all demanded separate accommodations and refused to talk. Yingluk has been released today.

The Bangkok Post's Saritdet Marukatat thinks that there may be uncertainty for longer that the military had hoped for. I wonder what Thaksin and his billions of dollars will do next.
 

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I think Ferris has a good grasp on the Thai political situation.There are easier challenges,nailing jello to the floor comes to mind,but his analysis is an accurate barometer
of a volatile environment.

My job takes me to Korea frequently(politics there is worth a whole 'nother thread)and Thailand at least once a year.It always seems that when I reach Thailand,a fresh
load of s..t hits the fan.
I was there when the yellow-shirts closed the airport in Nov/08,when the red-shirts stormed the Pattaya Royal Cliff Hotel in Apr/09,causing cancellation of APEC conference,
when the red-shirts shut down areas of Bkk,and later set it afire in Apr-May/10, and when the PDRC paralyzed Bkk in Dec-Jan last.

I talked to(or rather,listened to) clients who were firmly behind the protest movement(they even gave me a whistle,lol)and they were outraged that Thaksin had paid
the Isan farmers,who they considered as ignorant as water buffaloes, to vote for his sister's party,Pheau Thai.

They held that these "peasants"(their words,not mine) would not otherwise have voted and the election wouldn't've been spoiled.

These clients may not be classified as "elite" but are certainly in the middle-class and much better off that the large % of the population.
Their position is that only those who know what's best for Thailand s/b allowed to vote and/or hold office.

There'd be no point in mentioning that,in a democracy,EVERYONE gets a vote,regardless of income level or education achievements.

What the military will do next will be interesting.I think most of the detained leaders have been released.

This am I rec'd an e-mail from a friend in Bkk who said a large cache of arms had been found in a red-shirt residence

Legit or bogus?who knows?

with Thai politics,expect anything.
 
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