Swingers Rattle neighbours

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Im very jealous and wished i can participate in these parties. Funny to hear this womans reaction :)

Brenda Edmands points across the wooded ravine toward the neighbourhood sex club. She's nervous about talking to a reporter. She hides her face from a photographer. But she's tired of getting brushed aside by Delta officials - so she decided to go public.

"How I first came on to the problem, I was doing yard work one Sunday morning, and I heard what I thought was a rape," she says. "I remember standing at the back of the ravine and my heart was pounding and I had tears in my eyes, and I thought 'Oh my God, what am I going to do?'"

That was the summer of 2009. Edmands didn't know what house the disturbing noise came from, so she walked away without doing anything, feeling sick to her stomach. After talk-ing to neighbours and doing some Internet research, she concluded the troubling incident was actually "sex and moaning and screaming" that emanated from a private late-night swinger party at a single-family residence across the ravine on River Road. The suspicion was confirmed later that summer, Edmands says, when she was kept up all night by a woman's sporadic howls of ecstasy.

Edmands says a website called "Club Allure" advertised sex parties at the Delta home for couples, single ladies and "sponsored" men, with annual and event-based fees.

Edmands concluded the home was operating a sex business, so she fired off an email to Delta Mayor Lois Jackson, who seemed to agree.

"I am astounded by the website and wonder what type of people could actually advertise this type of event," Jackson wrote Edmands in an email dated August 11, 2010. Jackson ordered an investigation by Delta police and bylaws, and again emailed Edmands, saying: "I am asking the staff for a more up to date and thorough report to Council on this situation . . . surely we do not allow this 'business' in our neighbourhoods?"

NO ONE IS CONCERNED

But the investigation fizzled out. A file on Delta's "Club Allure" was opened in August 2010 and closed in January 2011, because only Edmands was con cerned about noise, according to Hugh Davies, Delta's manager of property use and compliance. In an interview, Davies said swingers clubs are common in the Lower Mainland, and that the owners of the home investigated also run the "Club Eden" swingers club in New Westminster. Davies reasoned that the River Road residence, located on an industrial road across from the 102-year-old Trinity Lutheran Church, is "off the beaten track."

"Club Allure is in Delta [and] what you have is consenting adults that are together like a swingers club," Davies said. "The people across the ravine, save one complainant, were not concerned about the noise. It's not like a thousand cars are arriving. You have a couple cars arriving."

In terms of the business licence, Davies said, "you have to prove they are running a business for profit. It's pretty difficult to prove . . . unless you infiltrate the club and have a look to see how the books and such work."

Contrary to Davies' claim that few people and cars attend the River Road swingers club, Edmands says this spring she "crawled through the berry bushes" in the ravine bordering the party at about 2 a.m. and counted about 37 cars parked outside.

"My heart just fell because I looked at the deck where all the people were partying, and it was just vibrating," Edmands says. "They get loud and arrogant. They come outside and they laugh, doing fashion shows, hooting and screaming. It's disturbing because I've got these kids around."

Delta police Sgt. Sharlene Brooks said one officer canvassed a "significant number" of neighbours in the area, but the majority "had no issue with noise."

A Province investigation in the neighbourhood indicated the opposite.

'TIKI TORCH PARTIES'

A common joke on Norum Road refers to the unintended warning signal from tiki torches that can be seen flickering across the ravine twice a month, year-round. When the torches are lit you close your windows and put in your ear plugs, says 51-yearold Herb Whitehead.

"There is different points of view from all the people in the neighbourhood," Whitehead says. "I can laugh. I'm single. If I wanted to go to a porn movie or something I don't have to - I can open the windows or sit out on my porch. It's quite entertaining."

"But if I had a family I'd feel different," he adds. "All the kids in the neighbourhood laugh. I guess you could say their adolescence is tainted."

Mike Moleski said the "Tiki Torch Party" joke is getting old.

"Some nights you sleep through it and sometimes you don't because it's so loud," he says. "With some of the moaning going on, it's obvious that it is sexual activity."

Moleski said he's disappointed Delta officials claim Edmands is the only one who made noise complaints.

"I know I did," he says. "At the start everyone laughed it off, but now it's escalated. Some neighbours say 'close your windows and tolerate it,' but I don't think we should have to."

At one home on Norum Road, an older couple who asked not to be named said they have heard distressing noises.

"I heard a woman screaming and thought she was in trouble," the woman said. "I thought, should I call 911?"

One teen girl said she has to go sleep in her parents' room whenever the parties are rocking.

"It sounds like, cause the sound travels across the ravine, it kind of sounds like they're coming up to my window or something," the girl said. "It freaked me out one night, but I get used to it."

Another neighbour, Dana Wilk, said she can't hear explicit sex noises within the general house party noises, but she believes the swingers club doesn't belong where it is.

"The police - no one wants to do anything about it," Wilk said. "It's a nice neighbourhood, it's very family oriented. I know some people have talked about selling their homes."

On the other hand, Edmands' neighbour Bruce Robertson said swinging sex isn't the issue.

"Yes, we know what goes on there, but do we have concrete proof, have we seen it ourselves? No. There is no bylaw or jurisdiction against what they are doing," he said.

IS THIS LEGAL?

The legality of pay-to-enter sex parties goes back to a groundbreaking Supreme Court ruling in December 2005.

In a 7-2 decision that overturned the conviction of Montreal's Jean-Paul Labaye, who was charged with operating a "common bawdy-house," the high court gave swingers clubs a green light to operate across Canada.

John Lowman, a professor at Simon Fraser University's School of Criminology and an authority on prostitution, said running a swingers club for "commercial interest is no different than somebody making money off telephones or anything else."

"As long as there is no prostitution, what Labaye did is clarify that a swingers club did not violate the criminal code," Lowman said. "The original test was if the community as a whole would not tolerate the activity, it would be indecent. Labaye changed that in a very important way, because what it said is there would have to be demonstrable harm."

Even though a number of Norum Road households allege they can hear indecent activity coming from the neighbouring club, that is a bylaw noise issue, not demonstrable community harm, in Lowman's opinion.

THE CLUB OWNERS

The couple who own the property investigated by Delta authorities, 11041 River Road, are Linda Walters and Jason Walters. Corporate registry documents show Linda Walters is listed as secretary, and Jason Walters is listed as president of The Metro Events Inc., with an office located in 11041 River Road. The company, which was previously known as Club Eden Entertainment Inc., was incorporated in August 2006. Jason Walters was asked for an interview for this story but referred all questions to Linda Walters.

In a series of interviews with The Province Linda Walters claimed the noise complaints against her River Road home are "manufactured" and complaints were not corroborated "despite numerous on-site visits."

"This is clearly not a noise complaint issue, this is a moral issue," Walters said, outside her home. The large home looks like a Spanish style-villa, and through large glass windows on the front door a sign that advises no cellphones are allowed on premises could be seen.

Walters said she believes the 2005 Supreme Court ruling means it is "100 per cent" legal to run swingers events in a residential area. She said if her neighbours would approach her directly with legitimate noise complaints, she would add bushes to her backyard to muffle the sounds they allege emanate from the home's back deck and hot tub during parties.

Walters was asked if the home swinger parties are financially beneficial.

"I do this more for the social cause perspective," she said. "What we do at the house is a not-for-profit aspect."

Walters said she owns Club Eden which is run as "a virtual club" featuring an "online community" that promotes private events in a variety of locations "throughout the Lower Mainland and beyond."

One anonymous account of a March 2011 "Club Allure" party in Delta, on a website that rates Lower Mainland swingers clubs, said: "Man, was it packed! I love this club for the simple fact that it is a big old fashion house party with a naughty twist . . . Upstairs I found 3 private rooms, 1 semi private room and the very large open play room . . . those rooms were busy all night long."

In an email message to The Province, Walters said it is not accurate to link "Club Allure" to the River Road home.

"I no longer own Club Allure and Allure does not operate out of my house . . . my private residence is not a club."

"It's my personal residence. As a private resident, I have the right to host private parties at my leisure providing that I am not breaking any laws. I do host private, completely legal parties from time to time that are adult in nature and are by invitation only."

Linda Walters was asked to provide information on specific fees connected to the events promoted on the Club Eden website, but did not provide figures.

A November 2007 Georgia Straight article says "the two-year-old Club Eden, a warehouse-sized club . . . charges $50 for a couples membership, $90 per event, and another $100 to stay overnight."

PANDORA'S BOX

A lawyer who has provided services to a Lower Mainland municipality on a case involving a swingers club described an uneasy standoff on liquor usage, business licence and bylaw issues.

The lawyer did not want to be named, because the case hasn't been resolved.

"Between the police, the city and the province we have to come to a firm understanding of where we are [on swingers clubs]," the lawyer said.

"It's a very grey area, and until a judge tells us we don't know."

The lawyer said he has no knowledge of the situation in Delta, but suggested that generally speaking, it is questionable whether running swingers club events could be considered a "customary and incidental use" of property in a residential area.

"I mean, if you are having a birthday party, sure," he said.

"But when you are inviting a bunch of private people in to have a sex party?"

Back on Norum Road, some neighbours are so mystified by the lack of enforcement that they have started to speculate who attends the sex parties.

Herb Whitehead claims a retired Vancouver police officer who lives near the River Road house told him "it's not the average joe" that swings.

"I said, 'What's going on with this goofy club?' and he says, 'Yeah, that's quite a show - but what are you gonna do about it?'" Whitehead said.

"He says these clubs are all over Vancouver. It's kind of a Pandora's Box if you want to open it."

ANOTHER LOOK

Edmands said she's puzzled as to why Mayor Lois Jackson "was really excited to deal with her community, and then she just vanished."

"I won't even call [Delta authorities] anymore," Edmands says.

"I can't believe I'm being treated like the crazy, anti-sex lady."

Jackson was interviewed by The Province this week, and after receiving new information on complaints from Norum Road residents, she called an in-camera council meeting to discuss Delta's investigation of and position on the River Road property.

Jackson said she could not disclose meeting results because lawyers were involved, and she could only speak about options available to the city in general terms.

"[The file] has been referred to both our bylaws department and police department for follow-up and report back to council," Jackson said.

"It's a good question. Do people think that is a good thing to have in their community, and if not how do we oversee these? Is it through permits?"

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uncleg

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All else aside, the only really concern here should be that people heard what they thought might be rape and they didn't know what to do about it.
 

twoblues

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It's barely a noise complaint issue as, at one point, someone says:

"I mean, if you are having a birthday party, sure," he said.

"But when you are inviting a bunch of private people in to have a sex party?"
Really, what's the difference other than you hate the idea of sex going on? I have neighbours who have loud bbqs in my neighbourhood...I would probably prefer sexual noises over drunken laughter.

Personally, I'm not sure how I would respond...I would probably be all horny and upset I couldn't join in :(
 

Bob Loblaw

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So she had to talk to neighbors and do some internet research to figure out what sex sounded like? I think perhaps she needs to go to the swingers club not shut it down.
 

Holly Taylor

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It sounds like some of the neighbours are upset because it's the sound of sex. If it was the sound of loud laughing, or a loud sports game, I bet they wouldn't care that much. It's sad that sex and sexuality make some people that uncomfortable.

I agree with an earlier poster - sounds like some of them should visit the sex party rather than complain about it :p
 

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well i'm glad to see the usual crowd of folks who don't have little children saying that it's not a noise complaint thing. when i had little kids, if a party was keeping them awake, i shut the party down using whatever means i had available to me - and i can assure you, some of my methods weren't... shall we say... strictly legal. lol

it's amazing what 37 vehicles all with slashed tires will do to the attendance at the next party

i don't give a shit what they do at a party, that's their business - but when the noise carries on after a reasonable time in a residential community and i've got little kids needing a full night's sleep, then it becomes my business. and i WILL win
 

uncleg

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well i'm glad to see the usual crowd of folks who don't have little children saying that it's not a noise complaint thing. when i had little kids, if a party was keeping them awake, i shut the party down using whatever means i had available to me - and i can assure you, some of my methods weren't... shall we say... strictly legal. lol

it's amazing what 37 vehicles all with slashed tires will do to the attendance at the next party

i don't give a shit what they do at a party, that's their business - but when the noise carries on after a reasonable time in a residential community and i've got little kids needing a full night's sleep, then it becomes my business. and i WILL win
Yup..it's party time...........

 
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THIS ARTICLE WAS FUCKING AWSOME !!!! I read the whole thing in the paper. I wonder if that lady even thought about how much advertisement she was giving to the place !!! never mind 37 cars... it will probably double now. I signed up with a friend. ill write a review and tell you guys all about it !!!!!!!!

god bless that women.. she saved me a whole lot of trouble and time looking for places.

sincerely true

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oh and i used to live right by pne.. and they would send my whole familiy free tickets every summer to make up for the noise... perhapps club allure or club edan should send out some free regestrations.. or discounts on the parties and invite the neighbours. !!!!!! I want to open my own club :) :) and Im going to call it.. club sweet sasha ;)
 

uncleg

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dang!!! when were you prying in my picture album? lol

Well, I shouldn't tell you this, but you seem like a nice guy. You were at ....'s place and ..........well you know how it is.:p
 

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I'm sure it is just a noise issue, but because there is sex associated with it, the lady doing the complaining probably figures that by bringing that into her complaint it somehow strengthens it and will be more likely to result in something being done about it.

But, aside, what is this saying it sounded like someone being raped, and being unsure what do do??? Oh, its just rape, maybe I just turn my TV up? That is an appalling attitude! Call the cops ASAP, intervene, do something about it and help for gods sake!
 

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"I won't even call [Delta authorities] anymore," Edmands says.

"I can't believe I'm being treated like the crazy, anti-sex lady."
Really, Ms. Edmands? You can't believe it?!

Edmands says this spring she "crawled through the berry bushes" in the ravine bordering the party at about 2 a.m. and counted about 37 cars parked outside.
Blake Edwards would be proud. :D Wasn't that how Dudley Moore got stung by the bee in 10?

"My heart just fell because I looked at the deck where all the people were partying, and it was just vibrating," Edmands says. "They get loud and arrogant. They come outside and they laugh, doing fashion shows, hooting and screaming. It's disturbing because I've got these kids around."
"These kids" are "around" at 2 AM? Were they in the "berry bushes" as well?
 

twoblues

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She probably pissed off because she hears Ohh God and Ohh Jesus more from the back yard of the sex club that has ever been mentioned in the Church.
Ha! Awesome.

Yah, I know the area as well and all I can think of is the industrial-ness of the area and the Church...not really a great neighbourhood to begin with. I think a swing club actually enhances the neighbourhood rather than detracts.
 

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I'm gonna give the scared lady the benefit of the doubt and assumed that as soon as she got over her shock she called the cops but the reporter thought that part was too boring for the article.

Or....the lady started hearing the woman having sex start with the yes yes fuck me harder yesses and deduced 911 wasn't necessary.
 

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I just call it in as a noise complaint and let Delta's finest deal with. " Sir we have had complaint of loud speaking or squeaking could you tone it down. And you might want to tell people in the daisy-chain room to go downstairs to the rec room..thanks and good night" But If you hear distress call the cops and let them investigate and go back to sleep.
 

agentman

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Sounds like this Mrs Edmands needs to get laid more often. Probably Mr Edmands was at the party.
 

uncleg

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