Defeatist no. Realist yes. With an economy 10 times the size of ours it is realistic to assume they could easily shut us down without a lot of effort. These guys can and do what they want anywhere in the world with impunity. Do you think they would stand still / tolerate it if we started to "get tough" in our usual Canadian way?FuZzYknUckLeS said:
Soft Wood
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dirtydan said:
That's a load of bullshit. Fucking ignorant bullshit. Seven times, count them, SEVEN times trades rulings were made in Canada's favour regarding softwood lumber. Rulings made by panels created under the agreements the US signed in good faith. Why then has the US repeatedly refused to payback what it knowingly took illegally?
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QUOTE=luckydog71
]For fucks sakes.....you whined because you did not get the mericans to allow your fucking logs to come into the US.[/QUOTE]
Well, for fuck sakes...the US government ignored SEVEN rulings made against it. Canada is playing by the rules, but the US isn't. What's the use of having a formal trade agreement when one of the partners refuses to suck it up when something doesn't go it's way?
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]Now you whine because we do allow your fucking logs to come in. [/QUOTE]
Gees buddy, that's mighty big of you. Glad Canada has a neighbour that allows such. Now to the matter of the $6 billion.
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]Make up you God damm mind......
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Perhaps instead of you rambling off like a fucking idiot, again, how about to try putting some half-assed thought into what you're saying. That would be a very refreshing change.
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QUOTE=luckydog71
]Next you will be whining because your are exporting raw logs, when you could actually make something with your natural resources and export value add to your logs. [/QUOTE]
Sigh.
Yah know LD, you're much like those types that shoot first and ask questions later. In this case you swoop down with a lot of blowhard bullshit that's overflowing with ignorance. You automatically blame Canada, yet the fact is the US has refused to adhere to the very trade agreements it's a party to. I would imagine that if it was an issue in which Canada was in the wrong the US would be wailing away demanding the agreement to followed to the letter.
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]Canucks are constant whiners.... [/QUOTE]
Oh? Who is doing the whining? Looks like you are little man. Bitching about Canada trying to stand up for itself. You strike me as the type that attacks anyone that dares to stand up to the US, even when the US has been repeatedly shown to be in the wrong.
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QUOTE=luckydog71
]but you have the best SPs in the world.[/QUOTE]
That's fine. However I'm sure you will once again be backtracking in overdrive when you finally apply your cranium to the softwood situation.
Like dude, when you post crap like this, are you pissed or stoned? I hope so because the only other alternative is sheer fucking stupidity.[/QUOTE]
lol, yeah i know eh? we are whinners cause we are taking the u.s. to task for not adhering to THE LAW. what the fuck is that??????
When it comes to foreign trade, over 75% of Canada's is done with the US. While Canada is the US' biggest trading partner, it amounts to between 2-3% of their trade. One doesn't have to like old Pierre Trudeau, but her got it bang on when he said Canada-US trade is like a mouse sleeping with an elephant.Randy Whorewald said:
According to CNN, Canada is the USA's largest provider of imported oil, a safe and friendly source compared to the middle east, Nigeria, and Venezuela. Mexico is the next safest source. A lot of other natural resources and electrical power are imported by the USA from Canada, and these are fairly critical to their economy. While Canada's percentage of the USA's overall trade may be small, the content value is not.
Sonny, you and fuzzy knuckles seem to get it.Sonny said:
Canada has a lot of natural resources. The US needs those resources. The softwaood is a perfect example. The wood is needed for a red hot housing market. We can't produce enough electricity to meet our own needs. We don't produce enough oil for ourselves.
So when it comes to natural resources, the US is like a man in the desert dying of thirst. Along comes Canada with the water the US needs.
What is ridiculous is that the US starts to bargan on the price of the water.
But what is even more ridiculous is Canada enters into the bargianing.
So tell me which one is the dumb one?
yeah which one is the dumb one?luckydog71 said:
you forgot to mention that the man in the desert dying of thirst is 6'5 and 275 pounds and the man with the water is 5'3 and 155 pounds.
if militarily we where on even playing field then there would be no bargining at all but that is not the case sad to say and you know it.
So Smackyo... if I accept your argument and I do not.....smackyo said:
Then just give the guy your water for free and stop bitching...
You believe the size and might is right.... and that you have no idea at all how to use your strengths to your advantage....
Luckydog, speaking of whining...when is your piece of shit country ever going to stop whining about the time on 9/11 when a culture that you fail to understand but never failed to fuck-over bit you right back? "Poor me, poor me", alright.
Also, when are you going to stop whining about those folks that enter your country, albeit "illegally" at the encouragement of employers, to do work that your average obese lazy-assed Yank won't touch?
And now you're whining when the democratically elected leadership of a sovereign country (ie: not a gov't manufactured by the corrupt leadership of your own country) decides it make sense to them that they legalize small amounts of narcotics. If you people don't like it, don't go down there. If you can't stop your people from going down there, too fucking bad.
By the way, do you ever get tired of being bitch-slapped by Rickoshadows?
Lastly, Canucks aren't whiners, CANUCKS FANS are and for good fucking reason! Now go fuck yourself.
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no dude i don't think might is right, and no offense here cause unlike most other neo cons on here you do show from time to time intelligent thought and some kind of reason and logic but i think your problem is that you just see it from the u.s. perspective AND only the u.s. perspective.luckydog71 said:
you seem to find it hard to believe that other countries might be reluctant to stand up to the u.s. even after seeing that your country will invade sovereign nations and overthrow their government cause that leader tried to kill your leaders daddy.
the u.s. doesn't understand diplomacy nor do they respect it. the only thing they respect is having a missle pointed in their face. thats why if i were prime minister, the first thing i'd do is develop just one icbm secretly. i'm not for war at all but to make sure my people don't get fucked i'd develop one for sure.
No offense taken. I was educated in Canada and I think I understand from a Canadian perspective. But I will give you the point, my views are American based views.smackyo said:
US history is we do not honor treaties or agreements. The general approach to any rule is the hope the other guy will follow the spirit of the agreement (or law) and then we will take advantage of the rule follower.smackyo said:
It is a screwed up approach to dealing with other nations, especially ones we view as our friends. If it is any consolation we do it to ourselves. Just look at our tort laws.
I believe Canada could stand up to the US and not fear reprisals, at least military reprisals. What could easily result is an escalating trade war. One that Canada would have a good chance of winning.
Years ago, Canada should have said, screw you guys. NO MORE RAW LOGS. We will sell you dimensioned lumber at an inflated price. We will sell you paper products that are consumer ready.
Canada should end the sale of electricity at cheap prices.
Canada could impose heavy tariffs on goods in transit to Alaska from the lower 48. Tax the oil coming down the Alaska pipeline.
You have a lot of ways you could negotiate for better trade conditions with the US. You would have to suffer some short term pain, most of it would be felt in Ontario, but I believe in the end you would be better off.
For the most part the general population of the US is passive. It is only when you hurt us directly that we get pissed. Look at the uproar over gas prices. At 3.20 a gallon we are still far under the cost of gas in most countries.
So watch me scream if you raise the cost of electricity or even worse cut it off so my beer gets warn.
Maybe I over reacted by calling Canucks whinners. But I have heard this so many times from so many sources that the US mistreats Canada. My point is, it is time to stop talking and take some action.
LK, I normal just ignore the posts that stoop to name calling, but you did make a couple of good points.The Lizard King said:
Agreed. This is long over due. For years the US has turned a blind eye to people who sneak across the border to find work here. It is not the illegals who are at fault. I know a few of them and they are hard working honest people trying to make a living. The major fault lies with my government (and therefore me) for not enforcing the law and not protecting our borders.
The fix is very easy and we do not need to deport even one illegal.
1. Make the owners of companies personally responsible for hiring anyone who is not entitled to work in this country.
2. Institute a temporary work permit for anyone who wants to come to work here and can pass some security checks. If you are already here you can get a temporary work permit
3. The path to obtaining a green card and the citizen ship starts in the person home country, not inside the US.
4. The employer of people with temporary work permits are responsible for their medical care while they are here.
5. People with no legal status would only be entitled to emergency health care until they can be transport to their home country.
What we would find is the 10 million plus illegals would not be able to find a job and they would not be able to get any social services. They have 2 choices. Get a work permit or go home.
We enable the illegals to stay here. Hell we encourage them to stay here.
I don't think so; we whine all the way to the bank. and mostly to make deposits. After all, we enjoy a perennial trade surplus with the US, which ultimately means we collect interest on debt anyway. Our banks are some of the healthiest and wealthiest in the Western world, bar none. We're arguably the wealthiest nation on this planet resource-wise, but whining is the rich man's prerogative and goes with the territory, so we hone it to perfection. Pretty soon our respective dollars will be "at par", and ours is eventually expected to return to the historical levels of the past, whence it enjoyed a ten percent premium over the greenback.luckydog71 said:
Am I gloating? Of course!
