Shushwap fires

picante55

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I received an email from a friend (not the author of this) and asked if I would share it. Can't confirm validity, but worth the read.



My name is Stef and my husband Jorne and I own a home at the end of Meadow Creek road in Celista BC. The fire department and forestry lit a back burn around 4pm on Thursday Aug 17th knowing there were 30km winds coming. No news outlet is talking out this. My husband has been monitoring the winds and the Adams creek fire for weeks. On Tuesday Aug 15th we knew the winds were coming. The fire was approx 15km away from us. We don’t know who decided to light a back burn knowing the wind forecast. They lit a 14km back burn right to our back door and never notified us. My dad who lives in Kelowna knew about a “out of control back burn” before we did. They didn’t even come to tell us. They notified the locals by posting it on a piece of paper at the gas station.

At 845pm we saw the fire just over the ridge. And by 12pm it had reached meadow creek road and was in back yard. Without the back burn we could have had a whole day to prepare. We did have sprinklers up, water tanks loaded and generators ready to go. We knew we were pretty much on our own and would not receive much help. The fire department did come down the road and were there briefly. Once they deemed the fire out of control they left. When the fire came into the valley we watched it burn up the sides of the mountain due to the humidity dome created with all the sprinkler and water. The fire department abandoned us. About 2 hours had passed when some locals came down our valley with resources and help. I was notified the fire department was sitting in a field having coffee so I went t to get them. When I got there I asked them to come help us, told them the situation. One of the firemen told me they wanted to help but had orders to sit. I yelled at them to get in their trucks and come help us. They said they would. I went back down the road to notify our crew they were coming. I sat and waited but no one came. About 15 minutes had gone by so I went back up the road and found them sitting about 1km away. They told me they were assessing the situation. I asked how they could assess if they couldn’t see it? I again asked them to come help and they finally did. Everyone ran around putting hot spots out. We wore water packs and half masks with headlamps for the next 3 days making sure our houses made it through.

In the initial days after the “superfire” the locals were able to get water, gas and supplies but now there is a heavy police presence. They have the roads blocked off saying they are preventing looting. The locals are being told to return to their homes. They are not allowed to be helping at all. There are spike strips on the roads. Police blocks everywhere. There are people trying to get essential supplies in such as water, gas and food by boat. They are being turned away. Police are patrolling the roads and water. They have the gas stations blocked off.

We need the real story to get out so we can get help.

We are more than equipped to help put this fire out but are being stopped. We need resources such as gas, diesel to keep us going. They’re trying to starve us out so they can let it burn.
My number is 250-509-0400 Please feel free to post my number. I’m willing to talk to anyone who can help us.
 

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Beyond human cost & property damage,my concern is for the sockeye salmon habitat of Adams lake/river
Remember when the petroleum carrying freight train,derailed & exploded in Lac Megantic Quebec?
Between petroleum combustion residue & fire retardant chemicals,the water ecology of Lac Megantic was irreparably poisoned.
In the years following the Lac Megantic rail disaster,fish populations crashed,while the remaining fish are severely stunted & deformed.

In my regard;Adams Lake watershed is no less sacred salmon habitat,than the sacred headwaters of the Stikine.
In my commercial fishing past;I have seen the mighty runs of Adams River sockeye.
It haunts me,to think of Adams River sockeye,going the way of the buffalo.

Engelbert Humperdink
 

bmallard

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No news outlet is talking out this.


It was all over the news the other day.

They’re trying to starve us out


I'm sure mistakes have been made, but she's making some wild accusations there. What police is likely trying to prevent is having even more people that need rescuing than they already do.
 

westwoody

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It was all over the news the other day.



I'm sure mistakes have been made, but she's making some wild accusations there. What police is likely trying to prevent is having even more people that need rescuing than they already do.
Absolutely.
There are lots of stubborn people who think they can save their house by turning othe water sprinklers, or wetting everything with a garden hose.
This situation is extremely stressful and some people simply go nuts.

Note her comment “We are more than equipped to fight this fire”.
Really?
I doubt that, and it puts everything else she said in perspective.

That fire crew might have been working for 24 hours straight. They might be out of gas/foam/fuel, or exhausted.
Fighting fires is not a cushy desk job, if you fuck up you DIE.
 
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Mrmotorscooter

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Things sure have changed back in the 60’s and early 70’s they used to go to the beer parlors and get every capable guy out on the fire lines. People with equipment bulldozers etc were rallied to pitch in, the community really got involved, they need to get back to that as locals do know the area. Part of the problem now has been the population explosion in what used to be the remoter parts of BC, it’s no longer the same type of hands on people but there are those with the skills and they have not been utilized like they should.
 

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Things sure have changed back in the 60’s and early 70’s they used to go to the beer parlors and get every capable guy out on the fire lines. People with equipment bulldozers etc were rallied to pitch in, the community really got involved, they need to get back to that as locals do know the area. Part of the problem now has been the population explosion in what used to be the remoter parts of BC, it’s no longer the same type of hands on people but there are those with the skills and they have not been utilized like they should.
This is a profound comment.
I recall my Dad being recruited from home back in the old Alberta days, took a shovel and rake and wore his old oil field helmet when he headed off.
Back then pretty much every adult was capable. Now, not so much ...
 
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That's because people back then worked hard for a living and weren't afraid to get their hands dirty. They weren't distracted by technology. My dad was the same. A laborer workaholic. Nowadays, people are to fixated towards their tech phones, computers etc. Good luck trying to take away phones from people today.


This is a profound comment.
I recall my Dad being recruited from home back in the old Alberta days, took a shovel and rake and wore his old oil field helmet when he headed off.
Back then pretty much every adult was capable. Now, not so much ...
 

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I train people to drive heavy equipment.
It’s sad how many people sneer at that, like it’s akin to cleaning toilets or worse.
And as pointed out above, there is a huge difference between people who have been in and around the back country for generations, and people who moved there from Vancouver a year ago.
Some have been driving skid-steers for their dad since they were big enough to reach the levers. Others think they’re all that and a bag of chips because they have a riding lawn mower.
Idiots, selfish fuckers who want to stay and fight are putting others at risk because they are going to need rescuing. Today they bitch about being told to evacuate, tomorrow they will bitch about not being helicoptered out immediately.
 

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Early 60’s, my father was driving along the shore on Nicola Lake taking pictures of the fire on the far side. Eventually the R.C.M.P. caught up to him. He got sent down a road to the fire camp and was put to work fighting the fire. I assume there would be legal ramifications if you did that today.
 

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but the forest service is fucked, they have a meeting at 8 planes aren't in the the air till 9 when wind is up. They should be be in the air by daybreak.I have been in a couple, more than enough. Forest service would not take over and we had crews wetting all nite till the choppers came back in the morning . We tried to get bombers but we were to remote , QCI
50 days till mop up done expensive, just scary.
 

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but the forest service is fucked, they have a meeting at 8 planes aren't in the the air till 9 when wind is up. They should be be in the air by daybreak.I have been in a couple, more than enough. Forest service would not take over and we had crews wetting all nite till the choppers came back in the morning . We tried to get bombers but we were to remote , QCI
50 days till mop up done expensive, just scary.
I used to fly the air attack officer for fires in the prairies, I didnt have the balls to do it in the mountains. Everthing was warmed up and loaded on the ramps ready to go before sun rise.
 

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"But back in my day..."

Not any different now than then... especially for people who grew up exclusively in urban areas.
I would slightly disagree. I'm a country boy born and raised. Young I had to deal with city slickers on the weekends and most were capable people ...as nobody needed an handyman or most tradesmen to do was needed around the house and property because everybody did what was required as there was no services of any kind around the levitate the burden.
 

luvsdaty

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Things sure have changed back in the 60’s and early 70’s they used to go to the beer parlors and get every capable guy out on the fire lines. People with equipment bulldozers etc were rallied to pitch in, the community really got involved, they need to get back to that as locals do know the area. Part of the problem now has been the population explosion in what used to be the remoter parts of BC, it’s no longer the same type of hands on people but there are those with the skills and they have not been utilized like they should.
They recruited my dad and uncle that way in the Taylor River fire at sprout lake near Port Alberni in the 60s
 
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