Question for the old-timers

[booblover]

the only thing crappy with Perb over the years are all the fake reviews from the guy's doing the answering services of the SP's. This has only gotten worse in the last while. Look at all the reviews that are supported by guys with low post counts. Then when someone really does see the SP and the reviews are so different (usually lower marks) then the reviews all disappear. Hanky panky by the Mods makes this site barely useful sometimes.
My first username is dated 2001. That was when I joined Perb and Big Doggie (before he got busted). Perb back then wasn't so political with reviewers being able to post names, contact info etc. Then new rules regarding advertising stepped in and the money machine started to dictate contact info. The site is still okay but there is just too much crap to sift through to find a legit review about a new face. For the seasoned lady the site is easy to get reliable info.

 

[lenny]

Please tell me that I am not the only veteran on here kinda enjoying all the rumblings about the demise of C/l Erotic?

Welcome to our world before the internet and craigslist, and for that matter, PERB.

Makes you appreciate what a great service PERB has been.

It might make a few men out of some who only know to to sponge off others; now they may have to do a little more for themselves.

Is it deja vu all over again?

PERB has been a great source of general info for me, and of local advertising
escorts occasionally, including the offshore Asians in Asia. I used CL just as
much as PERB ads and more happily,with Korean SP's, but way more of my
dollars have gone to much more economical DT lowtrack and LOS hotties.

2666 {more like 3K+ with deleted threads}

 

[tjay]

perb has become nothing but a recommendation board for paid advertisers. Those who were around in the early 2000's know this and have probably long since left...those who were not around don't know what you are missing out on. There was a time when there were no sp's on perb...and there certainly were no dnr lists, paid advertisers or restrictions on who can and can't be reviewed. If perb tried to pull the stunts back then that they do now then it never would have got off the ground. It was the reviewers who built up perb...then the sp's arrived when they got a sniff of how good for business it was. At first there was discussions on whether any escorts should be allowed. Some were for it but the purists were against it. Things went ok for awhile...but before long sp's started to pay for ad space in the form of banners...then when they started to complain about negative reviews they were promptly deleted. This was the dawn of the dnr list...the downfall to any review board. The writing was on the wall. Next the paying escorts were complaining that non-paying escorts were essentially getting free advertising simply by posting in the forums. So the powers that be disabled signatures to all but the paying escorts. Next they complained that a review was also free advertising so the powers that be dictated that only paid advertisers could be reviewed.........and here we are.

 

[Chocoholic]

perb has become nothing but a recommendation board for paid advertisers. Those who were around in the early 2000's know this and have probably long since left...those who were not around don't know what you are missing out on. There was a time when there were no sp's on perb...and there certainly were no dnr lists, paid advertisers or restrictions on who can and can't be reviewed. If perb tried to pull the stunts back then that they do now then it never would have got off the ground. It was the reviewers who built up perb...then the sp's arrived when they got a sniff of how good for business it was. At first there was discussions on whether any escorts should be allowed. Some were for it but the purists were against it. Things went ok for awhile...but before long sp's started to pay for ad space in the form of banners...then when they started to complain about negative reviews they were promptly deleted. This was the dawn of the dnr list...the downfall to any review board. The writing was on the wall. Next the paying escorts were complaining that non-paying escorts were essentially getting free advertising simply by posting in the forums. So the powers that be disabled signatures to all but the paying escorts. Next they complained that a review was also free advertising so the powers that be dictated that only paid advertisers could be reviewed.........and here we are.

I met a friend and fellow hobbyist yesterday and he told me about one SP who is one of the DNR SP's. I was shocked to hear that there was such a policy. It sort of defeats the whole purpose of the board. If revenue was required to keep the site going, the admin should have consulted with the hobbyists and maybe they could have come up with some options.

 

[HunkyBill]

the only thing crappy with Perb over the years are all the fake reviews from the guy's doing the answering services of the SP's. This has only gotten worse in the last while. Look at all the reviews that are supported by guys with low post counts. Then when someone really does see the SP and the reviews are so different (usually lower marks) then the reviews all disappear. Hanky panky by the Mods makes this site barely useful sometimes.
My first username is dated 2001. That was when I joined Perb and Big Doggie (before he got busted). Perb back then wasn't so political with reviewers being able to post names, contact info etc. Then new rules regarding advertising stepped in and the money machine started to dictate contact info. The site is still okay but there is just too much crap to sift through to find a legit review about a new face. For the seasoned lady the site is easy to get reliable info.

It seems to be many of the reviews are about Maggie's girls. Perb at one point, had a LOT variety. I dont know if it's bcuz of the CL situation or how things have "evolved" ?

 

[Chocoholic]

Ic, I have not been a member of Perb for a very long time. Thank you for informing me Alinburnaby.

 

[Chocoholic]

Options have all been tried. If the reviews press too hard on price and service, the women stop paying to advertise. If a board is set up for the reviewers that do press hard on price and service, it ends up being an expensive hobby for the operator. The guys aren't willing to pay and the women won't pay if the reviews hurt their business. There have been a lot of review boards. PERB/TERB/MERB exist because the other financial models don't work over the long term.

I just spoke to a developer friend of mine because he thought about setting up a similar site for reviews a couple of years ago. He informed me that bandwidth alone for each major centre would cost about $500/month and that doesn't include equipment costs. So this is definitely something that needs to be supported by SP's. You're right, there is no other option.

 

[booblover]

"the women won't pay if the reviews hurt their business." funny how they don't blame their shitty service and attitudes on the reason why their business is off.......

 

[PuntMeister]

It's ok. I tend to get a little too wordy in my sentences at times

But since you're asking.......bend over bad boy!

Just wanted to chime in to this post. And Eva's post was the most provocative, so therefore quoted here! -- with reason.

OK, I remember the good old days of perving Hollywood North, reading the Buy 'n Sell 'back pages', Eros Guide before it meant adding extra rates for the privilege of advertising there, Courier, North Shore News, TERB, etc, etc. The Puntmeister has very conflicted feelings about the demise of CL and the mainstreaming of PERB. Sure, the accessability of CL Erotic was fantastic. Quick check of who's new, who's hot, who's hot right now, phone numbers, and a great simple search function. What's not to love about CL? Why not mourn it's Erotic section loss?

I will tell you why. Although the convenience of CL made shopping an easy task, it became just that--shopping. I think therein pooning lost some of its mystery and speciality. Who remembers the real good old days when finding a mistress had an aire of intrigue, danger, suspense, and mystery about it? One vague but honestly presented review meant the difference between a non-call and a huge adventure? Frankly, the intrigue is gone. I won't miss that about CL. But the consolidation was natural, and the recent proliferation of pop-up would-be replacements is disturbing to me. Conflicted-yes. Because I love the convenience yet hate the cheapening of an encounter into a purely predictable transaction. Perb is still my preference, because of the reviews; because of YOU reviewers. Because of the community. CL had none of that. Perb has all of that, but used to be better in its old raw form of REVIEWERS FIRST. Maybe I will change my handle to American Graffiti Man. I long for the old times. Please don't ever tweet me. Bend me over and smack my ass.

Peace,

-Punt.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

...and a great simple search function.

nice post, punt

but jesus, why can't these new boards get the damned search function right?

 

[Cheeseburger]

Just wanted to chime in to this post. And Eva's post was the most provocative, so therefore quoted here! -- with reason.

OK, I remember the good old days of perving Hollywood North, reading the Buy 'n Sell 'back pages', Eros Guide before it meant adding extra rates for the privilege of advertising there, Courier, North Shore News, TERB, etc, etc. The Puntmeister has very conflicted feelings about the demise of CL and the mainstreaming of PERB. Sure, the accessability of CL Erotic was fantastic. Quick check of who's new, who's hot, who's hot right now, phone numbers, and a great simple search function. What's not to love about CL? Why not mourn it's Erotic section loss?

I will tell you why. Although the convenience of CL made shopping an easy task, it became just that--shopping. I think therein pooning lost some of its mystery and speciality. Who remembers the real good old days when finding a mistress had an aire of intrigue, danger, suspense, and mystery about it? One vague but honestly presented review meant the difference between a non-call and a huge adventure? Frankly, the intrigue is gone. I won't miss that about CL. But the consolidation was natural, and the recent proliferation of pop-up would-be replacements is disturbing to me. Conflicted-yes. Because I love the convenience yet hate the cheapening of an encounter into a purely predictable transaction. Perb is still my preference, because of the reviews; because of YOU reviewers. Because of the community. CL had none of that. Perb has all of that, but used to be better in its old raw form of REVIEWERS FIRST. Maybe I will change my handle to American Graffiti Man. I long for the old times. Please don't ever tweet me. Bend me over and smack my ass.

Peace,

-Punt.

nice post, punt

but jesus, why can't these new boards get the damned search function right?

Since the demise of cl I have been forced to look elsewhere too. In the beginning cl was great but near the end it was so flooded with micro brothel ads with fake photos that it became a chore. I see the same trend happening with the alternatives. The exception in my opinion is this site which I have noticed some bp escorts linking to since they cannot post services.

They have implemented a database search. This means I can search for $140-160 bbbj 25-27 Caucasian or whatever and find exactly what I am looking for. This really is miles ahead of anything else I have come across and is long overdue. Here is the Lower Mainland.


btw I am a long time member who stopped participating on perb when my reviews started to be deleted with no explanation.

Luv Kaylee
The naughty assistant
bijou

Just to name a few.

I felt this topic was worthy of a response.

 

[Chocoholic]

Thanks for sharing that classified website. It is fantastic! It shows you what services they provide so you don't have to spend time calling them up individually to find out.

 

[michel]

Well mmmmmmm I dont think I am that old but then again I have been a member since 2002 so perhaps time has caught up lol.

Regrading the demise of CL. I never use it as its full of lie and more lies. I rely a technique that has worked for me since I was a young lad in the early eighties and that is word of mouth and referral. Remenber TOFTT used to mean I do one and you reciprocate. I dont know if anyone still do it here at perb this time but I am sure some of you have heard of it.

 

[HankQuinlan]

Next they complained that a review was also free advertising so the powers that be dictated that only paid advertisers could be reviewed.........and here we are.

How is this true? There are reviews daily of non-advertising SPs.

 

[Chocoholic]

I checked out the classified website and already got burned by it the other day. See my thread on Tiffnay. It's not really any better than CL because you can still get the fake photos etc. I'm really grateful to have a forum like Perb.

 

[Cheeseburger]

I checked out the classified website and already got burned by it the other day. See my thread on Tiffnay. It's not really any better than CL because you can still get the fake photos etc. I'm really grateful to have a forum like Perb.

Erslist, duttslist, backpage have just picked up where cl left off...cluttered with duplicate micro brothel ads and a limited search. Perb is only ok if you want to see paid advertisers which amounts to probably less than 1% of working escorts in the city.

"a picture is worth 1000 words"
Maybe it's just me but I would not have been expecting a "hot" toned platinum blonde judging from this photo.

 

[I Hate CBJ's]

Neat thread... woe be the sucker who relied on craigslist to find pussy ha ha. What about the old asking good sp's if they have hot friends who want to try the business? Working girls have curious friends...

On another note, regarding perb, it should be noted that many sp's don't want any part of a review, however good. Tons of girls, especially the newer ones, put a premium on privacy. Online is never the only resort!

 

[HunkyBill]

Neat thread... woe be the sucker who relied on craigslist to find pussy ha ha. What about the old asking good sp's if they have hot friends who want to try the business? Working girls have curious friends...

On another note, regarding perb, it should be noted that many sp's don't want any part of a review, however good. Tons of girls, especially the newer ones, put a premium on privacy. Online is never the only resort!

Suckers? Hardly. That's why you'll probably find pooners sticking to their "regulars".

Your last statement is also false. Only the premium girls...those who charge double what the Asian micros do *may* not want to have a review posted on Perb. The best referral is word of mouth. But for most people unless youre Charlie Sheen tell their friends what their hobby is, especially if they're married.

 

[SFMIKE]

Since Bill has revived this old thread, let me add something.

How many of you have checked out the C/L Therapeutic lately?

Perhaps we should continue this thread with guys chiming in on their finds in that section. It seems that more than half of the ads are suggesting a bit more than a therapeutic massage (though there is more than one kind of therapeutic massage, I guess).

Several of the ads are by AMP's. How about that?

 

[laurel love]

I wanted to mention that the demise of CL has hit the Valley the hardest. The older gents out here had just gotten used to it and now they don't have the intel to pick up the other sites. Lots of these guys don't even know about review boards. So, there goes my target market!

I had one fellow, who I cannot see due to his particular needs, beg of me "Where are all the girls. How do I find them?" So I gave him all the sites I could think of.

Many of my regs did not store phone numbers, but, relied on CL to do that for them. So, they were pretty panicky about having all their numbers disappear! Bear in mind we generally do not call our clients.

Now a few of them have found me through ers and duts and it is like reeling in people who have been out to sea after a shipwreck. Poor things! All wan and faded!

I think perb is probably the best place to advertise, certainly I have been told over and over again by many sps. I just have to figure out how to do it!! I am a computer challenged individual!

BTW I worked through an agency that advertised in the yellow pages in the 90s and the clients that came in through that method of advertising were generally of great calibre.