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A friend and his wife is trying to get her pregnant and they use a waterbased lubricant. Does anybody know if the waterbased lubricant ingrediant that will kill off sperm?
 

Miss*Bijou

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I don't know, but my friend Mr Google does.. Ever heard of him?


There are other issues with lubricants that are rarely publicised. Most important of these is their effect on fertility. Many studies have found that personal lubricants have a deleterious effect on sperm function, reducing motility and the ability of sperm to penetrate cervical mucus, even in the small concentrations of less than 10 per cent found in these products.

In fact, several studies that have looked at the effects of lubricants like K-Y Jelly and its brand rivals, such as Astroglide and Replens, have found that they can be as lethal to sperm as a contraceptive jelly. For instance, in laboratory data presented to the 28th Annual Meeting of the American Society of Andrology and Andrology Lab Workshops in March 2003, exposure to K-Y Jelly after fertilisation was found to cause a severe decline in the ability of embryos to form in vitro.

Personal lubricants can be disastrous for fertility in other ways: for instance, by altering the normal pH of the vagina and cervical mucus. Under normal circumstances, the vagina’s natural acidic secretions are lethal to sperm; but, just before ovulation, vaginal pH becomes more alkaline, providing a more sperm-friendly environment. Data from the World Health Organization says that the optimum pH value for sperm migration and survival in cervical mucus is between 7.0 and 8.5. In contrast, vaginal lubricants tend to have pH values below 7, and often as low as 3.5.

Another fertility-diminishing factor is the syrupy texture of K-Y products and their ilk. Because of their viscosity, personal lubricants can prevent sperm from reaching the cervical mucus quickly. The result is that sperm end up dying in the acidic environment of the vagina before they reach the uterus.


Slowing to a stop

Sperm is also sensitive to chemicals that alter its osmolality (a measure of the total number of particles in a solution such as blood or semen). Osmolality increases with dehydration and decreases with overhydration – the effect on sperm being to cause cells to either shrink or swell too much. Semen has an osmolality around 320 mOsm/kg, which works to keep sperm healthy and active. As osmolality increases, sperm motility decreases, with all motion stopping at 600 mOsm or greater. Lubricants can have osmolality levels three to 10 times that of semen and so cause irreversible damage to sperm motility on contact.

A common misconception is that if a lubricant does not contain a spermicide or if it is water soluble, it will not impair sperm function. However, water-based lubricants often contain glycerine (as in K-Y Jelly) and propylene glycol, both of which are highly hyperosmotic. This results in irreversible damage to sperm and a loss in motility.

This is important information for couples who are trying to conceive; around 75 per cent of these couples report an increased incidence of vaginal dryness due to stress and fertility medications. Data show that around 43 per cent of such couples trying to conceive use personal lubricants to deal with this problem.

Given that infertility rates are at an all-time high, it would make sense if testing were required by the appropriate health authorities to determine lubricant’s effects on fertility and, if there is any evidence that a personal lubricant could interfere with fertility, the product should carry a warning to avoid its use while trying to conceive.



What’s in the tube


Glycerine
Emollient

Can cause skin dryness over time and this in turn can make it more prone to absorbing harmful chemcials. Glycerine has been shown to be toxic to sperm and it is also a sugar, so can feed Candida albicans.Should be avoided by women prone to thrush.


Hydroxyethylcellulose
Emollient

A cellulose derivative also often found in dry-eye medications. No known toxic effect; however, this ingredient is poorly studied.


Gluconolactone
Antimicrobial, controls pH

Harsh alpha hydroxyl acid often used in the treatment of acne. Can irritate skin and eyes.


Chlorhexidine digluconate
Antiseptic

Often found as the active ingredient in mouthwashes designed to kill dental plaque. Mildly toxic by ingestion; also a skin and eye irritant. Laboratory evidence suggests that it may cause cellular mutations.


Methylparaben
Preservative

Parabens are known to be oestrogenic and exposure has been associated with the proliferation of breast cancer cells in the lab. Irritating to skin and may cause contact allergies.


Sodium hydroxide
Preservative, controls pH

Can cause irritation to the skin and (if it comes into contact with them) eyes.



Source: http://www.theecologist.org/PAGES/archive_detail.asp?content_id=1109



If you've been trying to conceive (TTC) but have nothing to show for months of trying, it's time to take a closer look at your love life to see if you can identify the barrier between you and that baby. It may be as simple as having sex at a more fertile time of your cycle, or abstaining from sex for a couple of days so your partner's sperm count can rebuild. Or the problem may be your lubricant.


Pleasure And Pain
Vaginal dryness can be a fact of life for some women, and applying a lubricant can make the difference between pleasure and pain during a lovemaking session. But many women don't realize that most lubricants can harm sperm. That said, while most water-based lubricants are hostile to sperm, in no way should they be considered adequate contraception. Lubricants are not spermicides and do not protect you against pregnancy. Most of them do have an adverse affect on sperm, though, and it's important to be aware of this issue when planning conception.

There is one lubricant on the market that is designed not to harm sperm. This lubricant is called Pre-Seed and is available in several countries. Pre-Seed is the only water-based lubricant that is a safe substitute for a woman's own vaginal secretions when trying to conceive.


Canola Oil
The idea that lubricants are harmful to sperm is not a new one. A study performed back in 1996 measured the harmful effects of the various types of commercial lubricants on sperm motility and longevity. Some of the lubricants studied include K-Y Jelly, Touch, Replens, and Astroglide. In addition to these lubricants, two oils were tested, among them regular kitchen-quality canola oil. The various preparations and substances were mixed with sperm and the effects were measured at intervals of 1, 15, 30, and 60 minutes.

All of the four commercial preparations tested in the study proved to inhibit sperm motility within the space of an hour at a rate of 60-100%. This result is comparable with that of the most common spermicidal agents containing nonoxynol-9. Nonoxynol-9 is found in most contraceptive foams, jellies, and creams. Of the various lubricants tested, only canola oil was found to have no measurable impact on sperm, though most couples would find the oil stains bedding and is messy to use. The results of the 1996 study were published in International Journal of Fertility and Menopausal Studies.

At least one independent chemist has made the suggestion that the lubricants may be too saline and that this salinity, added to the fact of preservatives and a PH balance that is different from that of female humans may be the reason for their adverse affect on sperm. A possible alternative may be found in a homemade option created from natural ingredients found in your own kitchen. Some popular options include egg whites, glycerin, or ground flax seed cooked in water.

Sperm Friendly
It's unfortunate that the manufacturers producing commercial lubricants have not addressed the problem of sperm damage incurred during the use of their products. Pre-Seed is the only commercial lubricant available that is designed to imitate a woman's own cervical mucus and is therefore a sperm-friendly product. The lubricant is still not in wide distribution so you may need to search the internet for a source.


Source: http://www.pregnancy-info.net/the-right-stuff.html


In contrast, Pre~Seed® Intimate Moisturizer was developed in response to the need for a product to replenish vaginal moisture without harming sperm while couples were trying to conceive. Pre’® Lubricant also can provide traditional lubrication without harming sperm. Each lot is tested to ensure no sperm damage before it is sold. So if you are trying to conceive, know the facts about vaginal lubricants. They damage sperm and should be avoided (except Pre’®). If you need help with dryness, as many couples do, Pre~Seed® & Pre’® were developed by a Sperm Physiologist and has several studies presented at National Reproductive Meetings suggesting their “fertility-friendly” nature.


More here: http://preseed.com/FAQs/FAQ2.php



This site lists scientific references in key topic areas that may be helpful to you. You can find short summaries of the papers (abstracts) you are interested in through the National Library of Medicine “PubMed” (www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/PubMed/). This provides access to over 12 million journal articles in life sciences, including reproduction. The easiest way to use PubMed is to enter the title of an article you want to view, or you can enter terms you are interested (for example “sperm and lubricants). then click on each article of interest to see a short paragraph (abstract) to read. If you are really interested in one of the papers, then you can receive a copy of the whole contents to read and discuss with your doctor.

Abstract links from several papers having to deal with Pre~Seed, a new "sperm friendly" vaginal moisturizer, that have not undergone full publication (and therefore are not on PubMed yet) are also provided at this site.


Info here: http://www.helpconceive.com/hc_howTOuse.html
 

Miss*Bijou

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thnxs for all your help i'll pass on the info....you're so smart mwah:)
You're welcome. It's not really a topic I would have thought of on my own, lol. But that was interesting.

(BTW - I didn't copy one of the articles, as it wasn't related to the effects of water-based lubes on sperm, but it was about the ingredients in well-known brands like K-Y, and also all the other major ones... very scary. I think I'm switching to an organic brand, like Yes. It's fucking nuts what kind of crap we unknowingly allow these companies to put into our bodies with their toxic products. Makes you want to look into all the other crap products we use daily...but it also kind of makes you NOT want to know at the same time.)



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