Prostitution leads to exploitation of women...

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Decriminalizing of prostitution not on, Tories say
Change would lead to the exploitation
of women, the justice minister says

BY JANICE TIBBETTS - CanWest News Service

OTTAWA — Decriminalizing prostitution would lead to the exploitation of women and it is, therefore, off the table for the current Conservative government, Justice Minister Rob Nicholson says in a report.


“ This government condemns any conduct that results in exploitation or abuse and, accordingly, does not support any reforms, such as decriminalization, that would facilitate such exploitation,” Nicholson wrote the House of Commons justice committee. “ For these reasons, this government continues to address prostitution by focusing on reducing its prevalence.”


Prostitution itself is not illegal technically, but other anti-prostitution laws effectively prohibit it, such as a ban on communication for the purposes of prostitution in a public space.


Nicholson was responding to a report from a justice sub- committee, which was unable to come up with a consensus on whether solicitation should be removed from the Criminal Code after studying the issue for almost two years and hearing from about 300 witnesses across the country.


Nicholson said the government considers prostitution to be “ degrading and dehumanizing” and that it is “ often committed and controlled by coercive individuals against those who are frequently powerless to protect themselves from abuse and exploitation.”


In a December 2006 report, the majority of MPs on the sub- committee concluded sex between two consenting adults should not be illegal, “ whether or not payment is involved.”


The Criminal Code, however, should continue to target such problems as child exploitation, trafficking in humans and sexual assault, said the majority report, signed by MPs from the three opposition parties.


The majority said that literature shows criminalizing prostitutionrelated activities in Canada jeopardizes the safety of prostitutes and impedes their access to health and social services.


Many witnesses who appeared before the committee, including current and former prostitutes, asserted that criminalization creates an illegal market that is “ conducive to abuse and exploitation and encourages secrecy and the isolation of those selling sexual services,” the majority report said.


“ The vulnerability of persons engaging in street prostitution is also related to the fact that they frequently change locations. As a result of an arrest, fear of arrest, or a court order, such people are often forced to move to another area, effectively separating them from friends, co- workers, regular customers and familiar places.”


The two Conservative MPs on the committee refused to sign on with the majority.


Art Hanger, one of the Tory members, told reporters at the time that decriminalizing prostitution would make it “ open season” on women and cause cheering among “ pimps, drug pushers and organized criminals.”


The committee was asked under the former Liberal government to study prostitution laws amid rising concern over the disappearance and killing of prostitutes in western Canada, particularly in Vancouver.


The MPs on the committee unanimously agreed that the law is being unevenly applied, with police focusing on street prostitution, while the more expensive, off-street prostitutes generally operate without the force of the law.


Nicholson, in his response, concurred that “ those involved in prostitution are at a significantly greater risk of abuse and exploitation.”


He added that education, awareness programs, helping people leave lives of prostitution, and consistent enforcement of the law are tantamount to safety.
 

srycruiser

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Keep religous morals out of politics

Yeah, sure, whatever..... You let right-wing fundamentalist Christians (so-called) make laws, and thats pretty much what you can expect.
 

D.W.B

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Its not considered exploitation for a woman to use her body at some minimum wage job and live in poverty but if she uses her body to make a better life for herself on her own terms as a productive member of the business community its is considered exploitation.

These people are fucked!:mad:
 

citylover

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Yeah, sure, whatever..... You let right-wing fundamentalist Christians (so-called) make laws, and thats pretty much what you can expect.

ain't it ironic that even on this board Canada seems to have many of those who continue to vote for the Tories? & seeing a red under each & every bed, too. Who'd a thunk Canad & Amerikkka had so many commies?

& of course, none of them smoke weed, either.

Does make ya wonder why they're here. I'm sure they aren't narcs, surely.

(OK, I'll stop calling you shirley)
 

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Its not considered exploitation for a woman to use her body at some minimum wage job and live in poverty but if she uses her body to make a better life for herself on her own terms as a productive member of the business community its is considered exploitation.

These people are fucked!:mad:
As much as I am for the rights of women to enpower themselves in every way that they can, the reality is that there are a percentage who are exploited by their pimps/boyfriends. As with real life, things often not black and white, but appear in shades of grey... The question is who do you protect? The strong & enpowered, or the weak & exploited?
 

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I get all my life guidance from the tv show "Penn & Teller's BULLSHIT" - there is an excellent episode on Prostitution - and they expose ALL the bullshitters who write the BULLSHIT about it, this being one of them. The complete wife vs whore argument is explored, with entertaining bits of nudity where required to make their points.

If drug addiction is the problem, then focus on THAT, not the things women (and men) do to support it. All the girls I know who are NOT drug addicts are perfectly fine, functional members of society, performing a function that should be respected by everyone, and when we lump them in with the addicts nobody gains anything. Sadly, I think Ralph and maybe the fictional DaVinci might have been the only polticians wit the ability to understand this... I just hope never to see another majority gov't - minority rules.... hog tie the fuckers... forever...
 

Creole Lady Marmalade

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I think any person who is working for someone that is taking a lion's share of their earnings will feel exploited, I don't think it's isolated to just street level sex trade workers.

I'm not surprised a Conservative would say that. Often hypocrites as are the 2 Conservative MPs I have as regular clients.
 

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I'm not surprised a Conservative would say that. Often hypocrites as are the 2 Conservative MPs I have as regular clients.
Now here is an opportunity to make some real money. Surely opportunism is no worse than hypocrisy in the final analysis.
 

OTBn

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I'm not surprised a Conservative would say that. Often hypocrites as are the 2 Conservative MPs I have as regular clients.
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Harper returned to the House of Commons after the Easter break with what appeared to be an oddly shaped red patch over his eyes and down the right side of his face. The same marks were visible again Monday.


oh my - was that bristle burn? :D
 

ThighMan

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I'm not surprised a Conservative would say that. Often hypocrites as are the 2 Conservative MPs I have as regular clients.
Yes - nothing like lumping everyone into the same pot. Just because someone may be a Conservative does not make them anti everything that the average Canadian stands for. Using that argument, over 1/3 of Canada is to the far right which of course every poll ever conducted says otherwise.

Now here is an opportunity to make some real money. Surely opportunism is no worse than hypocrisy in the final analysis.
So what are you proposing H.Miller, that CLM write a book or blackmail. As it said in the original post, prostitution is not in and of itself illegal, however, I am sure if blackmail was attempted, the result would be not somethin CLM would want.

I don't stay in this business this long by spilling the beans.
CLM, you are obviously a very intelligent lady.
 

ThighMan

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Yeah, sure, whatever..... You let right-wing fundamentalist Christians (so-called) make laws, and thats pretty much what you can expect.
Where is religion mentioned in this thread except by you srycruiser. Also, as you are obviously unaware, Christian, Jewish and Muslim morals are all pretty much the same. Afterall, each of these three mainstream religions have the same God.
 

Creole Lady Marmalade

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ThighMan said:
Yes - nothing like lumping everyone into the same pot. Just because someone may be a Conservative does not make them anti everything that the average Canadian stands for. Using that argument, over 1/3 of Canada is to the far right which of course every poll ever conducted says otherwise.
Right you are TN, however the opinions expressed in confidence by my clients, compliment the report leading to post they are hypocrites. These two fellas feel they are the exception, How exactly, I have no idea.
 

jjinvan

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The funny thing is that prostitution makes things difficult for women, but not the women they are talking about.

After all, let's have a show of hands, how many guys think that it is CHEAPER to see SPs than to get married? Wow, that's a LOT of hands.

So, if guys couldn't see SPs and had to get married to get laid, it would cost those guys a lot more money.

Now, where is that money going? Who is benefiting from that money leaving the guy's pockets? Hmm... lessie... HIS WIFE.

So, fully legalizing prostitution allows guys to have a less expensive option to marriage and hurts those women who profit financially from marriage.

So, they have to keep prostitution 'less legal' to protect the women who aren't prostitutes from having to pay their own way through life.

The thing is, in our current political situation, we won't be seeing any new laws dealing with prostitution except maybe where minors are involved. The current laws are pretty lax so it's all just empty bluster and smoke and mirrors.
 

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Also, as you are obviously unaware, Christian, Jewish and Muslim morals are all pretty much the same. Afterall, each of these three mainstream religions have the same God.
Uh.. you are MOSTLY correct, here's the one difference:

Where in Jewish or Christian dogma/rules/morals does it say that the way to get into heaven is to "Kill all the infidels" with the 'infidels' being defined as those who aren't Jewish or Christian?

It is true that all three officially treat women like crap although it seems that for the most part currently only the muslims have managed to modify the legal systems of countries to enforce that poor treatment of women.
 

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Legalizing prostitution would require women choosing the profession to register as sexual service providers and participate in bi-monthly STD/STI testing. Mandatory full term minimium five year sentences plus fines equal to total financial gain should accompany successful charges against those who coerce women into prostitution. Since prostitution would be legal, it may be that those who are subject to coercion and to control by pimps would feel safer approaching police and outreach agencies for help.

While it is true as jjinvan says that enforcement of the present laws is lax; still, legalization would save whatever taxpayer money is currently being spent on whatever level of enforcement is in place. LE has better things to do.

So, exactly where are the rational justifications for not legalizing prostitution? Seems that the only one being put forth is that the activity is "demeaning and dehumanizing". Well, if women are freely choosing to earn income as SPs, then they certainly do not view it as demeaning and dehumanizing, and surely, their opinion should be the one that counts most. So, in the same manner of that taken by PM Trudeau, the state has no business in the brothels of the nation.
 
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