Peak YMMV

[VinVan]

YMMV. Is there a more loaded term in the Perb vocabulary?

Over the years, after reading way too maaaaanny reviews, I’ve learned that YMMV is code for: the SP has her menu, but will go off-menu with the right person; that the person writing the review has something special going on with the SP and is probably not sharing all the details because she ain’t serving that dish to everyone.

And that totally makes sense. I certainly don’t begrudge a lack of those kind of “between-the-sheets” details. If two people vibe then it’s not surprising that the gates to paradise will open a little wider. And it’s not surprising that the reviewer would hold back some details because once it’s in print, the expectations are that the SP has to serve “that” to everyone. Obviously that client is doing something right.

I assume that good hygiene and an agreeable bedside manner are the bare minimum for more mileage. But beyond that, what are the makings of a mutually great session? And what turns an SP into an ATF (and conversely, why are you a favorite of the SP)? What have you learned over the years that allow you to have consistently good to great sessions with your favorites?

For me it’s a bit of a paradox as nowadays I try to go in with as few expectations as possible. When I first started out, there was a lot of trying fulfill porn fantasies and get MSOG. It was a lot of “me” focused. But over the years I’ve slowed things down a lot. I know my tendency is to want to get right down to business because the meter is running at $4-$10 a minute (yikes!!!!), but I’ve learned that my best experiences come over multiple sessions and there is no need to rush. Spending some time talking - once I would have considered “time wasting” - is actually an investment in my pleasure. And hers. And the more fun an SP has, the greater the range of possibilities. I’m currently seeing a lot of a certain HJ provider (who will remain anonymous) and we are engaging in activities that neither she, nor I, could have imagined a few weeks ago because I slowed things down up front enough to learn a little bit about her.

I’ve learned that great sex is more of a mental exercise than a physical one. All the acronyms that would otherwise be run-of-the-mill are amplified by a meeting of minds.

In the spirit of raising all boats, what is your experience with this?

 

[MRGREEN]

YMMV. Is there a more loaded term in the Perb vocabulary?

Over the years, after reading maaaaanny reviews, I’ve learned that YMMV is code for: the SP has her menu, but will go off-menu with the right person; that the person writing the review has something special going on with the SP and is probably not sharing all the details because she ain’t serving that dish to everyone.

And that totally makes sense. I certainly don’t begrudge a lack of those kind of “between-the-sheets” details. If two people vibe then it’s not surprising that the gates to paradise will open a little wider. And it’s not surprising that the reviewer would hold back some details because once it’s in print, the expectations are that the SP has to serve “that” to everyone. Obviously that client is doing something right.

I assume that good hygiene and an agreeable bedside manner are the bare minimum for more mileage. But beyond that, what are the makings of a mutually great session? And what turns an SP into an ATF (and conversely, why are you a favorite of the SP)? What have you learned over the years that allow you to have consistently good to great sessions with your favorites?

For me it’s a bit of a paradox as nowadays I try to go in with as few expectations as possible. When I first started out, there was a lot of trying fulfill porn fantasies and get MSOG. It was a lot of “me” focused. But over the years I’ve slowed things down a lot. I know my tendency is to want to get right down to business because the meter is running at $4-$10 a minute (yikes!!!!), but I’ve learned that my best experiences come over multiple sessions and there is no need to rush. Spending some time talking - once I would have considered “time wasting” - is actually an investment in my pleasure. And hers. And the more fun an SP has, the greater the range of possibilities. I’m currently seeing a lot of a certain HJ provider (who will remain anonymous) and we are engaging in activities that neither she, nor I, could have imagined a few weeks ago because I slowed things down up front enough to learn a little bit about her.

In the spirit of raising all boats, what is your experience?

For me it's always been about chemistry. I'll glance at a review but take it with a grain of salt. I never ask about a "menu" per se. I've never been a f/s player so I'm up front about that.

I show up with a good attitude, am appreciative and communicative and then let things flow. Knowing it's very much a ymmv game, I don't share much.

 

[westwoody]

In the spirit of raising all boats, what is your experience with this?

I’m a fat ugly POS with zero people skills but somehow I click with a couple of stunning ladies. And I mean really hit it off well. Fucked if I know how.

When guys whine about not getting x or y that someone posted about there’s alway more to the story. I think a lots of them imagine themselves as playas but they’re just douchebags.

 

[masterpoonhunter]

If its a new to me SP and after meeting her, I figure "yes - this could be pretty spicy" I just ask for more, whether at the start, part way into our session, mid way and so on.
The worst is a no and anything other is positive.
Communication ...

 

[Big Dick Bob]

Compliment her and make sure she cums within the first 20-30 minutes of a session, and you would be shocked what kind of crazy stuff can happen.

 

[westwoody]

Compliment her

Just being nice is more important than trying to impress with being some kind of super stud.
As above, remember many guys treat these women like shit.
One time a lady posted in her ad that it was her birthday. I saw her the next day and baked a cake for her. She almost cried, not a single guy had even mentioned her birthday. Imagine being away from home for work and nobody gives a shit that it’s your birthday?
Little things mean a lot - not necessarily extravagant. Don’t try to impress with some stupid expensive wine, try something that you put a lot of thought into.

 

[Big Dick Bob]

One time a lady posted in her ad that it was her birthday. I saw her the next day and baked a cake for her.

Did you have fun with the frosting?

 

[Big_Guy_Rye]

One constant that usually determines such mileage... "age".

I've discovered that there is a max 15 year age gap (minus legalities, lol) one should consider when choosing the right provider to 'vibe' with... When I started this hobby around my 30s, I did have a lot of fun with providers in their early to mid 20s... but as I get older, around the time I turned 40, having a 20yr old provider isn't as fun as it used to be. Maybe it's a generation-gap thing. Maybe it's today's culture of millennials notorious lack of 'work ethic'... or them simply seeing a customer with greying temples puts me in the 'dirty old man' category and they don't want to try as hard as they would with someone of their similar age...

Pushing into my 50s now, I'm discovering that I've been having more fun with early 30s women, just as I did when I was 30 with 20yr women... I figured that 10-15 years is a good frame of reference when choosing a provider based on one's desire to connect based on 'chemistry'.

There's no rule saying a 50+ year old can't get with a 20year old provider... but if one were looking for best mileage, they best stop looking for that nubile unicorn, and being more realistic....imo.

 

[VanCityNewb]

Talking to them, like regular people. Someone told me recently that just having men talk to them was kind of unusual. Given what you're doing, I'd think that would be a prerequisite, but evidently a lot of guys just walk in, bang and leave. I guess that kind of translates to booking times longer than 30 minutes, and I get that guys in a relationship probably do that a bit on purpose, but still... Given women and their emotions, it makes a lot of sense that they would be willing to do more with those who put in even the tiniest bit of any effort into building something even remotely resembling an actual relationship between the two of you. If you want an impersonal relationship, I wouldn't be surprised when they reciprocate and don't want kissing, daty, etc.

Related to this, trying to speak their language. Even a little bit. You run into people from all types of backgrounds in this hobby, and many of them aren't native English speakers. Many of them go to significant difficulties trying to learn at least a little bit of English to just be able to get by. I love learning other languages, and I often find that even just knowing two or three simple phrases is enough to make a girl's eyes light up and take notice and builds common ground. Especially when you ask them to teach you a few things, and remember it on return visits.

As mentioned previously, giving them orgasms. Again, something usually related to booking longer sessions, but you can really flip a woman's switch with this, which makes absolutely perfect sense. Perhaps not so simple at times, but once activated, it can really move things to another level. I've had women go from simply allowing light pecks on their cheeks, to full on devouring your face, seemingly just due to this

Tipping, as perhaps the most blatant example. Yes, obviously a significant number of these women make really good money, just about all of the time. But just as many of them, if not more, are struggling to get by, have ebbs and flows to their business, and often just flat out have bad, slow days, weeks and months. They open themselves up to shame, ridicule, poor treatment and risk their safety. When they bend over backwards to make sure you are pleased and happy, money is the most direct way to recognize this. If you intend to repeat, it can easily pay dividends to tip them well, or even just bring them small tokens and trinkets to show that you acknowledge and appreciate the sacrifices that they make for you. The birthday cake mentioned previously is a perfect example of this.

Asking for consent. Especially, and specifically, in regards to digits. Women have a very delicate environment down there, and fingers, spit, and the assorted bacterias that come along with them can make for unintended consequences down the line that make them unable to work. Keep this in mind, and they'll appreciate it. Same goes for anything regarding playing with their butt.

Reviews. Can be a great booster for business! I've posted reviews before, and girls have thanked me for the boost to their business, and done well to express that during the session. Which makes me about as happy as anything. But also be careful. There's a fine line to walk between helping them, and sharing too much. A certain amount of eroticism helps bring guys in, but it's also often a special intimate encounter between two people, that everyone everywhere shouldn't necessarily expect. Also, they may give you breaks on prices and bonuses in service. If you talk about it too much, and they suddenly receive nonstop calls and text messages expecting those same things... They may not be so appreciative.

The last is a bit open to interpretation, but... Correct touch. I've been told before that lots of guys touch them with one of my favorite terms... "Chicken hands"! Lol. Basically just being shy and sort of just barely placing their hands on them, with no firmness or sensuality.

 

[Ctian]

YMMV is definitely a loaded term, but for me it comes down to attraction for them...just like us we have preferred bodies, face, hair, boob size pussy looks big butts small butts etc and they are no different and are definitely a sensitive Human being so how you click with them and make them feel will totally determine the outcome of the session...by being a gentleman and showing respect and accept their boundaries goes a long way, as does hygiene. Sure money helps but if you don't haggle and pay the price, extra is not necessary or expected but appreciated if you do.
I also always put her first as in I try to warm them up with passionate touches kisses DATY until she turns on (helps that i love eating pussy), at that point your mileage should increase to the point where you both are happy campers.
If all the boxes get checked for me I repeat and end up all smitten over them and them with several repeated sessions.

 

[Pornholio]

All very good points in the above postings above mine. I love that people are really taking the provider into consideration more. It’sas simple as checking in on them during sex too. If guys just plowing away with their eyes closed, they don’t get it. They are not toys. And when I say check in on them, I mean litterly check in on them. Yes read buddy language, but ask them “is this ok?” Are you comfortable? Does this make you uncomfortable? Simple physics will dictate that when a someone is on top, certain body parts and angles might look great in porn, but doesn’t feel good for the girl. Obviously everyone’s limberness is different, but please ask. We don’t know how many people the provider has been with prior to us, and how they treated them. we are all different sizes and shapes. They might be sore and sensitive. If you’ve been with her multiple times, you should have a good read on her, on what she likes and doesn’t. If not ask.
I always book 60 min at a minimum. I don’t like to rushed, I like taking my time, and leave time for talking and witty banter. I’ve made more connections talking about Korean Zombie movies then I have by bringing them a treat. But treats are nice gestures.
So yes YMMV is a real thing. I’m guilty (I admit) for over sharing in my reviews, and too much detail. Most of my reviews are more for me than others. The turnover is high, names change, and when I” hear xx is back, have you been with herr, how was it? “ I pull up my old review and refresh my memory. Sure there are things I’ll leave out if I think is too detailed and seemed a 1off. Ie having shower sex with a provider, it is awesome when it happens but can put a lot of pressure on the girl to replicate it for everyone asking for it, after reading about it.

Good thread, I’ll just leave with one word about YMMV.
RESPECT

 

[blondeluver]

A lot of right words were said in this thread and for me, I stick to these 3 words "Respect, vibe & no expectation - relax and let it runs its course".

Vibe is important for first meeting because you can tell and judge a bit about her personality. If she is into partying, straight business or simply high volume turnover then she is definitely not my type. I don’t pay much attention if she is slim, curvy, thick or BBW because hey I love them all. Body type or beauty can only go so much if the personality is crap. If she comes across as normal, friendly (even if it is business friendly), bubbly, then she is my type. I seldomly go for a WBTYM kinda session no matter how hot she looks. A little conversation, a bit of LFK (prefer DFK), a bit of foreplay is more my style. Yes, there were sessions that she had a couple O’s from DATY and time was up and junior didn’t even have a chance to play but that is OK. Because the payback from her at the next meeting was amazing. That’s called good karma. 😊 This is all part of the Respect!



As for no expectation, it is utmost important because you will always end up in disappointment. It’s no difference dining at a high end restaurant or visiting a very famous tourist spot due to reviews and then you build up this high expectation. Then it doesn’t live up to it when you visit, it is a big downer. Same for SP, no expectation, just relax and see where it goes… you will be amazed of the end result. Personally, I was offered her personal #, out socializing not on clock or $$ and yes, sex was amazing back at her incall.



I guess this sums up the YMMV. 😊

 

[VinVan]

Does it really qualify as "peak YMMV" if you're a regular? Or if your. tipping?

I get what you’re saying: money solves a lot of problems. But playing your cards the right way sometimes can open more doors than cold, hard cash.

I just got back from the island and finally met a massage provider who I’ve had my eye on for a while but never been able to meet. I read all the reviews and as far as I could surmise she went as far as a nude massage but no oral, FS or kissing. I paid her posted rate and did not tip and we had an amazing time with some activities that were denied others. Does this happen all the time? Of course not. Sometimes I’ll read a review, see the SP, and wonder why certain published services were not on the table. But when you vibe with someone and things progress in a hot and sweaty way beyond expectations, it makes this pastime all the sweeter.

 

[Once you go black]

Wow what an interesting thread .
So many great points .

I happen to agree w many of them . But I also don’t think they all need to come into play for a connection .
A small amount of effort of one or two of these things is sometimes enough to cause a spark .

I happen to agree a @Big_Guy_Rye point about the age difference. I have always adhered.to this except in my case I try for 10 yrs difference or less . Bare minimum age for me is 30 ( as I’m older ) .

I put the same amount of effort into grooming and hygiene as a date . I take a pre shower w my own shower gel at home before, shave, floss, make sure my nails are trimmed, manscape, brush my teeth before stepping out the door, usually wear some cologne ( doesn’t have to be expensive just smell nice ).

I talk to providers like they’re people not just sex workers. In my case I skip massage or shower foreplay to make more time for communicating and breaking the ice . Make an effort to be a good conversationalist .

During the deed I Don’t just lie back and expect to be “serviced”.
I make an effort , at least do my best to make sure she is enjoying herself as well ( fill in the blanks how you like ) .

I always book 1 hr the first time . Again I skip massage after & prefer the pillow talk instead . I find in my experiences this is where I have often made the strongest connections.


If my first experience is way above average it’s almost guaranteed I will be returning.
Usually within 6 months so that they will remember me ( once I’ve seen someone a couple times I tend to think I will be remembered more easily ). Needless to say almost everytime I have repeated so far the ymmv experience has just gotten better .

I am guilty of haven given too much details in reviews . Thank you to whom ever mentioned that . I will take that into consideration more next time .

On a side note ,
When ever I see people on here that never have anything good to say about a single provider , only leave negative reviews & comments about literally everyone they see and therefor I assume have ( in their opinion ) nothing but 100% bad experiences w everyone they see ( including many well respected sp’s w great reputations & reviews )
It astonishes me how they could still not look in the mirror and wonder if there is anything they could change .
The lack of self awareness is astounding.