Oh, oh... now, what do we do?
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As stated in the article, this has been developing for some time now. But the fruits of our neglect / lack of collective concern are now finally coming home to roost.
well, i could always go back on the dating scene ... I got the cold shoulder from so many women that it should restore Antarctica in a weekend!
LOL LG - by the way I like yer signature - is that a new program you're offering??LonelyGhost said:well, i could always go back on the dating scene ... I got the cold shoulder from so many women that it should restore Antarctica in a weekend!
which one? kick-starting the ice age through dating or how to pillage an economy through your local government initiatives?Randy Whorewald said:
LonelyGhost said:bloody typical, I finally wake up in a good mood and the fucking world is coming to an end!
like any other typical day,and someone has to come along and ruin it for ya LG
There was a very good article in the March issue of Playboy on the same story,good read if you have it laying around.
we had joy we had fun we had seasons in the sun......
I realize its an incredibly selfish attitude but I'll be long dead and buried by the time things get real ugly so I don't really much care. Its not like I shit all over mother earth (I recycle where I can, be responsible around the house, etc) but I'm not going to go overboard with using dung to heat my house, public transit, live in a commune, etc.
I realize its an incredibly selfish attitude but I'll be long dead and buried by the time things get real ugly so I don't really much care. Its not like I shit all over mother earth (I recycle where I can, be responsible around the house, etc) but I'm not going to go overboard with using dung to heat my house, public transit, live in a commune, etc.
The Europeans and the Florida, Texas and south folks are going to feel it the worst. All of that fresh water dumped into the ocean up north close to the poles slows down the gulf stream a lot. I read recently the gulf stream flow rate is down 30% over the last 50 years.
Fresh water is very light compared to salt water. Normally cold salty polar water (very dense) is affected by centrifugal force (the earth spinning on its axis) to go south which it does. It travels south deep under the ocean and wells up at the equator to force warm (less dense) equatorial water to go north to replace the water that left (gravity attracts the equatorial warm water north because the water at the equator is at a higher elevation by several feet than polar water).
When an unusal amount of fresh water is added at the poles it slows the whole current down. The effect is hotter water at the equator. We can already see the effect of hotter water at the equator due to more hurricanes. Presumably this can create a mini-ice age in the north which is an effect that we have yet to see and certainly do not want but Europe just suffered its coldest winter.
Eventually with coler northern temps the melting and the addition of fresh water slows and gradually the waters mix enough that the salt balance is back in order for normal flows of warm north and cold water south can cum back to normal. Sadly such huge global effects can happen both quickly and slowly for many reasons.
Fresh water is very light compared to salt water. Normally cold salty polar water (very dense) is affected by centrifugal force (the earth spinning on its axis) to go south which it does. It travels south deep under the ocean and wells up at the equator to force warm (less dense) equatorial water to go north to replace the water that left (gravity attracts the equatorial warm water north because the water at the equator is at a higher elevation by several feet than polar water).
When an unusal amount of fresh water is added at the poles it slows the whole current down. The effect is hotter water at the equator. We can already see the effect of hotter water at the equator due to more hurricanes. Presumably this can create a mini-ice age in the north which is an effect that we have yet to see and certainly do not want but Europe just suffered its coldest winter.
Eventually with coler northern temps the melting and the addition of fresh water slows and gradually the waters mix enough that the salt balance is back in order for normal flows of warm north and cold water south can cum back to normal. Sadly such huge global effects can happen both quickly and slowly for many reasons.
not even closereddog said:
In my life I've experienced two global energy crises, have been told by the environmental lobby forever that mother earth is just one styrofoam cup away from total chaos and that tomorrow is always going to be worse then today. To which I've learned to say BULLSHIT. Yes, with the west's constant demand, China and India transforming from third to second world countries our global energy resources will be strained but there is more production coming on board. Between the oil and natural gas in Canada (northern Alberta, Saskatchewan, Hibernia and the still unexplored west coast), Russia and South America that demand will be addressed. As for the environmental issues....yes, as a species we've done our share of damage but don't you think that in the grand scheme of things we're nothing more than a minor annoyance to the planet. Historically we've treated earth as a toilet but every day the sun rises and sets and the global ecosystem adapts. IF there is a catastrophic event that is of biblical proportions then all the bus riding, granola eating, macrame knitting hippies in the world won't account for shit.....they'll be wiped out with the rest of us.reddog said:
Good, I'm always a little warm anyways.reddog said:
Kidding aside....so the NE is going to have an ice age, does that mean the polar ice caps are going to stop melting?
"peak oil".....demand, production????? Please 'splain Lucyreddog said:
OK mr glass is half empty.....if the economy is terminal then what? We all are fucked and should get used to rummaging for nuts and berries?reddog said:
You misunderstood.....when I'm retiring at 50 I'll have spent 30+ years working.reddog said:
That's where I fundamentally disagree with the environmental movement. I agree that with most activism it starts with the individual but if the ecology of earth is so dire all the neighborhood recycling, car pooling, etc will amount to sweet fuck all to turn things around. Even the much hyped Kyoto Protocol doesn't address the favorite environmental boogyman, greenhouse gasses, and only serves as a vehicle to transfer wealth from developed to developing country. Its not going to help the environment and will just create a fall economy based on the trading of intangible credits.reddog said:
LOL.....thanks but no thanks.reddog said:
Why is it every time the data changes the environmentalists change their tune as to the cause/effect of global warming? The earth is 4.5 billion years old, you can't look at the past 10, 50, 100 or even 1000 years as an accurate bench mark on whats going to happen in the future.reddog said:
Thanks for the definition and link but IMO its just a hyped economic theory. As for the google response....google "9/11 conspiracy" = 13.9 million hits, "picture frame" = 75.9 million.reddog said:
Wrong, net global production is not falling. The western economies are continuing to be more efficient in our use of fossil fuels and if we want to focus efforts anywhere it should be on the developing nations to insure as they build their infrastructure they use current technology.reddog said:
I'd agree with your fact that it is for the lazy. Yes the number of new oil fields discovered has been going down but the reserves that have been recently discovered are significantly larger then what was previously being extracted.reddog said:
That math simply doesn't wash. There isn't the global stock pile of refined oil and gas to sustain your 1:4 ratio, if that were the case by about October we'd all be walking.reddog said:
Thats what said about every global catastrophe or impending crisis. It's the chicken little "the sky is falling the sky is falling" mentality.reddog said:
You can't have it both ways. Either we're running out of supply or we're running out of demand. Oil companies are not admitting that this is the end of the oil age, what it may be is the end of cheap (<$6/barrel production) oil. But as you've identified there are huge leaps in technology in the extraction of oil from Alberta's tar sands and that's driving the costs down.reddog said:
Thank you for the fear mongering and bogus science. Even if I were to accept your notion that the pond represents either the demand for oil or what's happening to the environment the example of exponential doubling doesn't apply.reddog said:
a few ice cubes
Here is a few bits of the info that they always leave out .... The earth has a ice age about every twenty-five thousand years .... the last freeze up ended about 15'000 yrs ago ..and we have been thawing ever since .... and we will keep getting warmer untill it does the reversal again . So yes the glacies will melt ... the pole's ice cape will get smaller ... and the water's will rise .. that afact of nature.... and our industrial revolution has helped it along ... We have been pumping our crape into the air and water for about 200 years more or less..
Now if you think we are going to bring about globel warming all by our sevles ... No .. worming and cooling is part of the cycale of this planet.. and nature ... we are just part of nature ...allthough we are good at fucking things up real quick .... it is all part of the plan ..LOL..
As for globe warming ( maybe I should say globle worring)... just wait the next ice age .. could start any time in the next 10'000 years ......Ans then we willl be tring to stop that from happening also ... Light the stove ... and unplug the freezer..
It is all part of nature ... and all part of a planet that is over 5 billion years in the making.
Here is a few bits of the info that they always leave out .... The earth has a ice age about every twenty-five thousand years .... the last freeze up ended about 15'000 yrs ago ..and we have been thawing ever since .... and we will keep getting warmer untill it does the reversal again . So yes the glacies will melt ... the pole's ice cape will get smaller ... and the water's will rise .. that afact of nature.... and our industrial revolution has helped it along ... We have been pumping our crape into the air and water for about 200 years more or less..
Now if you think we are going to bring about globel warming all by our sevles ... No .. worming and cooling is part of the cycale of this planet.. and nature ... we are just part of nature ...allthough we are good at fucking things up real quick .... it is all part of the plan ..LOL..
As for globe warming ( maybe I should say globle worring)... just wait the next ice age .. could start any time in the next 10'000 years ......Ans then we willl be tring to stop that from happening also ... Light the stove ... and unplug the freezer..
It is all part of nature ... and all part of a planet that is over 5 billion years in the making.
Hey, a perfect time to shamelessly promote my thread...
If we are going into an oil crisis, then help is on the way! the air car: now taking orders.
If we are going into an oil crisis, then help is on the way!
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The concept of peak oil is frequently discussed on the late night radio show Coast to Coast AM (Art Bell or George Noory hosting) with some claiming it has already happened, others claiming it is imminent and oil industry types assuring us it will never happen and is total fiction. An explanation of the concept can be found at www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.netgravitas said:
Ooops, sorry. I discovered there was more scrolling to do on this thread and the peak oil thing has already been addressed. Never mind.
If it's on your computer, save it as a jpeg or tiff file on a server like photobucket, and point to it with Perb's image link.reddog said:
If the image resides on another server, then copy the link in the image's properties, and paste it on the Perb image link.
Hope my advice isn't too cryptic...
Already there my friend. The Germans invented the process and the magic mark was around $35 a barrel I believe. We are way past that and there are plants being built in the USA as we type that will produce clear, clean diesel from coal.reddog said:...The only hopeful technology I see for preserving our oil driven economy is if they succeed in economically extracting useful amounts of oil from coal, which we have a lot more of than oil.
You're welcome.
What do you get out of this Red Dog? Do you like running around spouting off bogus end of the worlds statements? I don't get it.
At the rate of technology advancements I have no doubt we will solve our oil dependancy problems and move onto something better. As far as world wide weather patterns they do what they do and we have little control over it. Along with ice ages the magnetic poles also reverse themselves over time it just takes a lot longer.
The bigger concept I struggle with is everything we use came from the enviroment. Oil was there we just moved it. Pop cans are just natural resources re-arranged. It all came from the earth and will be returned to the earth in one fashion or another yet we think the earth will be irreversably damaged? I think we don't give mother nature as much credit as it deserves. When I went to school they were teaching us that we posioned the great lakes and that Erie was dead and would never recover yet last I read it is getting healthier faster than anyone predicted.
