Malaysian Airlines..not having much luck lately.

uncleg

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fnelsonn

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Your sentiment is sublime but your logic is ludicrous. Aside from the various geopolitical factors that create this unfortunate current game plan in the Crimea, this tragic incident is nothing compared to, for example, the warfare of WW1 whose start date we are tediously celebrating this very year. Indeed, it was Stalin who said, "One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic." History is full of much worse man-made casualties -- just look at the bombing of Dresden by the allies in WW2.
 

bcneil

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Its the end of Malaysian Air for sure.
 

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MH17 disaster: Standoff with militiamen at crash site

By Fergal Keane BBC News, Grabove



On the approach road to the crash site we saw a small white bundle. It was alone, far from the other dead, and surrounded by sunflowers.

A fringe of brown hair was visible at the edge of the sheet. At this moment I knew I was looking at the body of a small child.

Somebody passing by had placed the sheet on the toddler. But when we stopped an ambulance to ask if it would remove the body the driver said: "We are here for the living."

Later they would help in the collection of corpses but this was still early in the morning.

At the main site the bodies were without covering. Some lay alone.

Others were grouped together amid the twisted metal, the bags and cases, the child's playing cards, the guide books, the laptop computer, the duty free whiskey bottle, the woman's red hat.

All of this and so much more lay spread across the fields.



A militiaman with the nickname "Grumpy" - he was squat and barrel-chested with poor teeth and carried a machine gun - harangued me when I asked if the rebels would now stop fighting.

"You are only here because foreigners are dead," he said.

And the old story was repeated, the same story I have heard on numerous roadblocks.

The Western media were all capitalists doing the bidding of their American and EU masters.

When the OSCE turned up in a convoy led by police cars with flashing blue light "Grumpy" came into his own.

Now he was a man of power. He halted the OSCE and told them they would have to go forward on foot. A standoff followed.

The OSCE monitors went into a huddle. Yes, they would go forward on foot.

Ten minutes later "Grumpy" presented another problem.

The local experts - emergency service workers and local police - were working at the place where most of the wreckage had landed. It would not be possible to go on.

Again the OSCE huddled and the negotiations went back and forth.

And after another five minutes they were allowed to proceed once more.



They saw what the large contingent of journalists had already seen. Except that now corpses were being placed in black body bags and placed at the side of the road.

One bag had not been closed and a man lay naked and exposed to view. He was a young man, killed in the prime of his life.

I asked a militiaman to close the bag. He looked at me and shrugged.

"For the sake of the man's dignity please close it," I pleaded. He agreed and carefully rearranged the bag so that the man was covered.

All morning long we have watched the retrieval of the dead from the cornfields and the fallow land where MH17 came to earth.

Where will they take the dead now? And what transport will be used?

Rumours rippled through the group of journalists. But nobody knows who is in charge here.

Two days after a major international tragedy it is a group of gunmen who still dictate the terms of life and death.



See: Scant respect for bodies
The lack of respect and sensitivity doesn't seem to shock me from this region.
 
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They are not 'touchy feely' types in that region. Like many other.
 

tokugawa

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They are not 'touchy feely' types in that region. Like many other.
I guess respect and sensitivity is more of a northern/western European thing (US, Can, Australia and New Zealand) because life seems very cheap elsewhere around the world. Or is it a more an educated/industrialized/matured kind a thing since respect for life is pretty good in Japan?
 

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I guess respect and sensitivity is more of a northern/western European thing (US, Can, Australia and New Zealand) because life seems very cheap elsewhere around the world. Or is it a more an educated/industrialized/matured kind a thing since respect for life is pretty good in Japan?
respect for stranger's lives is high in societies where there is lots of food to eat, plenty of warm (or cool) buildings to shelter people from the elements, and enough jobs for people to be able to earn enough money to enjoy the benefits of the foregoing two amenities

where these things are lacking, people have to raid, loot and steal from other people to get by, and there is a lot less respect for stranger's lives
 
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