Lawyer or John school?

[poorman]

I have been caught by a sting and took the John school route. The cop told me to take the John school route as winning the case in court will be extremely difficult in court. I was wondering if anyone on here took the lawyer route instead and successfuly fought the case in court. To this day, the fact that the cops might pull me over someday, find out that I have been busted by a sting in the past thru their database, and question me in front of my wife, family, or friends still haunts me. Well obviously, I can no longer take the lawyer route. But this post hopefully will be useful for other perberts in the future when they make their decision.

 

[ghostie]

These charges can be beatable... it really depends on a lot of things particular to your case: did you make a statement, is the main witness a cop, was everything the cops did above-board, are their any other witnesses beyond the U/C cop, etc. Talk to a lawyer if you are concerned about it. Lots of stuff gets punted in our criminal justice system just because the Crown and the Courts don't have the resources to run trials on any more than a fraction of the cases cops are recommending for charges, and when they are small time bullshit cases like this, Crown will often just punt them with a little nudging from defence counsel. Especially in Vancouver or Surrey. Fuck, there are so many other things they should be focusing on rather than regular, non-violent, Joes getting cheap blow jobs in the car.

Here are some cases to look at if you want to learn more.

Note that basically every single case involves a U/C female cop, although I did note one here from Saskatoon where the girl was an actual knob gobbler and the cops follwed the car and somehow got a statement from her, and a conviction (probably by threatening her with some unfavourable outcome if she didn't cooperate, although this info of course never made it into the courtroom). You gotta love the Saskatoon police, racist criminals that they are.

Not Guilty:

http://www.canlii.org/bc/cas/bcca/2000/2000bcca68.html

Guilty:

http://www.canlii.org/nb/cas/nbqb/2003/2003nbqb102.html

http://www.canlii.org/ab/cas/abpc/2002/2002abpc189.html

http://www.canlii.org/bc/cas/bcsc/1990/1990bcsc11157.html

http://www.canlii.org/ns/cas/nspc/2002/2002nspc1.html

http://www.canlii.org/on/cas/oncj/2004/2004oncj102.html

Guilty where the prostitute is not an undercover cop:

http://www.canlii.org/sk/cas/skqb/2005/2005skqb349.html

Sentence:

(absolute discharge, John School not the role of the Criminal Courts)
http://www.canlii.org/bc/cas/bcpc/2004/2004bcpc478.html

 

[hitrack]

To this day, the fact that the cops might pull me over someday, find out that I have been busted by a sting in the past thru their database, and question me in front of my wife, family, or friends still haunts me.

This may somewhat ease your mind. I have been pulled over several times DT and when I was just parked several hundred feet away spotting for a chick I knew. The same little skinney cop on several ocasions lectured me like a 10yr old up on kingsway and the same bald ape lectured me downtown.

But here's the point of my story, unless the cop pulled me over for shit related to hookers and cruising the cop never mentioned anything about "oh I see you've been caught with and around hookers!!" Needless to say if I'm cruising I'm by my self and don't care what he says to me.

PS: If I'm not around DT I rarely get pulled over. I have figured out...put your seat belt on, and keep the speedlimit in mind because those red & blues can just friggen well come outta no-where