Does it make sense to lease a car now?

normisanas

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I was at my local mechanic (non-dealer) today and he said he was thinking about shutting down his business. I asked why and he said because these days people don't put up with spending a thousand here or there for maintenance of an older car, but instead get convinced by the dealership to buy new - especially with low rates like 0% financing.

I replied that to get a half-decent car you'd probably be looking at something that was at least $35,000, and they might not offer it at 0%. Even if they did, you'd be looking at just under $700 per month in car payments, so that in one year you'd be spending about $8,000 for your car. Surely that is a lot more than maintenance of an older vehicle.

He said to me that these days it's harder to find mechanics to work on later model cars because they have become so complicated, and more costly to maintain. So it's almost put all the independent mechanics out of business.

So I was then thinking that if you bought a new car, you surely wouldn't want to keep it after the warranty runs out because you would not be able to find a cheaper independent mechanic to fix it - and instead have to pay the big bucks to the dealership. So if that is the case, you might as well sell your car after the warranty runs out. And if that is true, you might as well lease the car because you would not have to worry about selling it, and you'd have a lower monthly payment.

So am I right then in thinking that the car companies have us over a barrel? Essentially now, we're being forced to rent our cars and never own it without the burden of high maintenance costs?

Because I sure as hell would be scared to own a later model Benz, BMW, Volvo, VW or even Toyota that's just gotten out of warranty, with the way these cars are so complicated these days.

Your thoughts gents?
 

luvsdaty

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Easiest cars to work on are 4 cylinders. All you really have to do is change the oil every 5,000 km & the plugs every 30,000 km.Struts , shocks 60,000 same as tie rods ball joints. I don't know much about the computer crap in cars so if that goes i bring it in to the shop. On top of that there's a lot of helpful videos on youtube showing most makes of cars being repaired.
I'm lucky i guess because i'm mechanically inclined.
Not sure but i think there even offering 7 yr loans on new cars now, so i think that'll get your monthly payment down to $500, that gets you a $42,000 car @ 0% interest.
 

normisanas

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Easiest cars to work on are 4 cylinders. All you really have to do is change the oil every 5,000 km & the plugs every 30,000 km.Struts , shocks 60,000 same as tie rods ball joints. I don't know much about the computer crap in cars so if that goes i bring it in to the shop. On top of that there's a lot of helpful videos on youtube showing most makes of cars being repaired.
I'm lucky i guess because i'm mechanically inclined.
Not sure but i think there even offering 7 yr loans on new cars now, so i think that'll get your monthly payment down to $500, that gets you a $42,000 car @ 0% interest.

Not that easy.... modern cars these days are full of computers and sensors. What do you do every time the stupid check engine light comes on? Does the average person have a scanner that costs at least $500 to see what the code is and reset it? Should we be replacing sensors at a cost to us of hundreds of dollars from the dealer, only because you can't get those at places like Lordco, when I know those stupid things cost 50 cents each? It seems to me those sensors are more for forcing you to bring your car to the dealer for maintenance than they are for preventing something going wrong mechanically. You can't even get at a strut on a car that is not the base economy model without having to deal with at least one sensor. So even if you are mechanically inclined, the way they make cars these days is to prevent you from working on it.

Yes, they are offering 7 year loans on some new cars now. Soon it will be 10 year loans. Just goes to show how expensive cars are getting now that the average person can't afford them except to take out a loan. Basically this was all by design from the automotive companies - they make cars overly complicated so you have to rely on the dealer, so they have more things that break down, so they kill the business of local mechanics, so you have to rely on the warranty more, so you have to buy extended warranties, so eventually you have to buy a new car from them. The 7 year loan is essentially you the consumer renting a car from them! And if you are basically forced to buy a new car when the old one is out of warranty, why should you suck up a huge monthly payment for this rental? Why not then lease and get a lower monthly?
 

kenchorney

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Easiest cars to work on are 4 cylinders. All you really have to do is change the oil every 5,000 km & the plugs every 30,000 km.Struts , shocks 60,000 same as tie rods ball joints.
I agree with you on the regular oil changes but it's been at least 10-15 years since you need to change plugs that often, same with shocks and struts and I live in Winnipeg where the roads are about as bad as you can get. My last three cars all went 200,000 k without changing any of the three and they still drove and handled fine and got the same mileage as when they were new.(1998, 2004, 2007) Granted I put on a lot of hiway miles but new plugs shocks and struts that often is not normal.
 
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newatit

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The debate was supposed to be about renting vs leasing a car, and it is hard to find a good answer to that question. People tend to inflate repair costs and running costs without good facts, and hence make the wrong decision, which might only be discoverd afterwards.

I have hung on to most of my cars for 10 years, paid them off fast or purchased outright so no payments long term, and so only pay maitenancd and running costs after that. Firm toyota owner, for almost 30 years, not buying anything else.
 

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I tend to hang on to my cars for at least 10 years, sometimes more.
For that reason, I will do a lot of research before purchasing. Pick something really reliable.
I will also convince the dealership to include free servicing for the first 2 or 3 years. Really get to know the staff during that time period. If your car is dealer serviced only, right from new, they tend to give you breaks on repairs.

I won't lease a car, I'd rather own it.
 

kenchorney

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Leasing okay if you've got a business & you can write off the lease payment, still i'd rather own & take the depreciation on my truck during tax time Also write off repairs, parts because i've got a business.
I'm in the same boat, much better to own at tax time if you put on above average KM in a year.
 

Flanders

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Call me old school, but I think it is financially irresponsible to borrow money to buy a depreciating asset. If you are leasing the "car of your dreams", then you are engaged in borrowed prosperity, and living beyond your means. And it is YOU as much as the banks that lend you the money who is responsible for the fragile financial state of the world.

Anyone understand wtf is going on in Greece? Jesus...
 

normisanas

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Unfortunately I have a penchant for European cars, there are few Japanese or Korean cars I want. That being said, I know that a BMW, Audi, VW, etc., can be a humongous expense when the warranty runs out - from experience. I suspect the same of any modern car these days even if it is a Honda or Hyundai, that is, if anything goes wrong...and they are now so much more complicated. As for Volvo, I don't have any experience with them except now I just bought myself a 2000 C70 and I'm praying it will be reliable.

So that's what leads me to the lease or buy question, but I suppose I should have been more explicit and talked about European cars only. But I guess that something can be learned from those who have had late model Japanese cars out of warranty in terms of reliability and cost of maintenance as well.
 

johnniejetpack

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Leasing okay if you've got a business & you can write off the lease payment, still i'd rather own & take the depreciation on my truck during tax time Also write off repairs, parts because i've got a business.
That's the ticket. If you can use your vehicle for business and/or you are self employed the lease option is the best. If you can't write off payments and maintenance then i think it's best to buy.
 

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My independent mechanic is fair, good and is busier then ever, Maybe the mechanic you talked to is not so good that why he is not very busy and is shutting down.
 

kenchorney

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My independent mechanic is fair, good and is busier then ever, Maybe the mechanic you talked to is not so good that why he is not very busy and is shutting down.
I would have to agree with that. I use and independent garage as well and the only negative thing I have to say about the guy is I usually need to book a week in advance at the bare minimum.
 

the old maxx50

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I have had new trucks for the last 12 yrs .. and personally I would not have it any other way after driving a 76 f150 for 24 yrs .

To day vehicles are being made safer and more efficient and reliable every year . But also so they are made to only go for so long .. 150km or 5 yr which ever come first .. ( just an opinion )

so i bought my 2000 chev 1500 .. trade it in on a 3 yr lease of a 2004 f150.. and then leased a 2007 f150 I bought that one out at the end .. back in sept 2011 and in feb 2012 the engine got a problem .. I traded it for a 2012 f150 .. this one bought .. only because the lease payment were not that much less .. and higher interest rate . some thing like 6% . But they keep offering different deals at different time of the yr .. I wish i could of held out till the family pricing in june to sept ..

If I was using it for work more i would lease . But this time not working in construction..

No matter what you buy it is not worth much after 5 yrs . there just are so many used car just like your on the market .
I just am willing to pay for safety and peace of mind . I want tit to get me any where i want to go with out worry i won't make it or it will cost me some unknown amount for sudden repairs
 
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