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georgebushmoron

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It's the midterm elections and aside from Americans, the Arab countries and Israel are watching closely. This is how important the United States is in terms of world affairs. Could the world care less who Canada elects as Prime Minister, much less their senators?

Our dearest Mr. Bush has roughly 2 years left. Iraq will be the #1 election issue in 2 years, unless Bush is "saved" by another terrorist attack, not averted but results in mass arrests and martial law. The Iraqi debacle can not be resolved before his office ends. The only way to stabilize Iraq is to install a dictator and implement martial law, but under the guise of "democracy". It's been done in many other countries, so why couldn't they do that in Iraq. Attempting to implement a real democracy there was a noble but foolish undertaking. I would not have recommended it... it wasn't the right way to go about it, aside from the fact that the underlying conditions for it were completely absent. Why Mr. Bush and team America are not installing a dictator is beyond my understanding. It is de rigeur for the United States to do so in overthrown governments of spent nations specifically, because it is so easy to do. Throw in a few kill squads and you've got stability for most of the population. Mr. Bush spoke from the heart when he said he was a compassionate conservative, and I am obliged to believe him. Heck, he's gone so far as to actually behaving more like a liberal. Anyway, history has shown he's a much nicer guy than Reagan... more noble and less cynical, and much less adept as an actor even in presidency.

The Democrats, if they can manage to win, might win if only the Republicans hand it to them. Their only hope is Obama, that charismatic quasi-Arab-negro dude who seems to embody the American dream of coming onshore with nothing and making something of himself, like his peer Arnie. In 2 years time, Americans will be so anxious about Iraq even the dumb hicks of the American midwest might feel comfortable voting for an Arab, that is, to deal with the Muslims of the Middle East. But true to the nature of Democrats, being liberals, will not be able to present a unified agenda in 24 months. Why? Because like most all liberals, they have an inherent belief that their principles are universal and only have to wait until everyone eventually will see it their way. Not so for conservatives, who believe that they must protect their principles under constant embattlement from outside forces. So it is with liberals that they try to embrace everyone under "universal" principles and forget that real politics is occuring before them. They either don't think they need an agenda because their agenda is everybody's, or are so stuck in their universal principles mentality that an agenda seems unnecessary. The most successful liberals are ones who realise that everyone else is stupid and they are going to force their ideas unto them. A little bit of charisma helps too. Take Canada's Trudeau as one of them. Unfortunately, Obama does not have the necessary arrogance to do it.

If the Democrats win, they'll inherit an America with huge losses in influence on the world stage, an America teetering on bankruptcy. American predominance in world affairs is going to be short all thanks to the current Administration. A Democratic government is going to have a very very hard time.

God forbid they win, because they'll lose even bigger - perhaps they might even lose their party as a result. They won't be able to repair the damage in 4 years, and the consequences of the current era will be felt in that time. By the end of 4 years, American public opinion will be resolutely against the Democrats for failure to be effective, and the damage will be blamed on them. However, a smart Republican won't want to see the Democrats eliminated, instead, it's more profitable for them to have a prostrate and useless Democratic party they can run circles around and keep their saucy contracts. The elimination of the Democrats means Republicans will splinter, not good for the money trough.

The answer to Iraq is beyond the ability of the current Administration to execute, because they don't have the necessary will to do so. It's beyond the Democrats because it would be against their principles. The answer to Iraq is to attack Iran in a massive military operation and install a new Shah, and create a dictatorial government with delicious economic contracts. Wealth generates wealth, and Iranians want this, as long as the war is short and relatively bloodless (as far as wars go). With a US-friendly Iran, America forces Israel out of Palestine because presumably Iran is no longer a threat. With Iran taken out, insurgents in Iraq will eventually capitulate. Furthermore, the Kurds no longer will have the clout that they do, and Sunnis will be put in their place. The United States can then do with Iraq as they wish. Problem completely solved. America rises in stature and predominance once again.
 

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GWBM - I read this word for word and I find this very insightful... If you authored this all I can say is well done..

BTW... I think the final election result will be a very divided congress. There will only be a 1 or a 2 seat majority in the house and the senate... A majority so slim nothing will get done and both sides will blame the other for lack of action..... Bush will veto a few bills this time and there will be 2 years of investigations and impeachment hearings...

There is a small window of opportunity for a 3rd party to come right up the middle and kick the shit out of both parties...

This party would need to be formed before the end of this year and then start running hard for 24 months... If they adopted conservative views (real conservative views, not GOP views) in areas of the economy, the military and immigration and then adopted libertarian views on the social issues like abortion, gay marriage, health care, welfare, and gun control, they could really kick ass.
 

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georgebushmoron said:
The only way to stabilize Iraq is to install a dictator and implement martial law, but under the guise of "democracy". It's been done in many other countries, so why couldn't they do that in Iraq.
There already was someone who fit that description perfectly. His name was Saddam Hussein. He represented no threat whatsoever to the United States. He was not in league with Al-Qaeda and was, in fact, the sworn enemy of Muslim extremists. Osama bin Laden has called many times for the overthrow of all Arab governments that did not strictly adhere to Muslim law. Iraq, a highly secular state under Saddam, would have been at or near the top of Osama's wish list of Mid-East governments that needed to be toppled.

As to attacking Iran and reinstituting a Shah, I doubt the U.S. could beg/cajole/threaten a single ally into joining such a suicidal mission. If attacked, the Iranians won't roll over and let the U.S. military go marching into Tehran the way they took Baghdad. If Americans are stressed about the number of troops coming home in body bags now, they haven't seen anything yet should the fools at the Pentagon and in the White House decide that attacking Iran with an already overstretched military is a good idea. And if they decide to take a shortcut and use nuclear weapons, they'd better be prepared for the people in charge of Russia and China doing more than just shaking a finger and saying "bad, bad America!".
 

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Very imaginative, GBM, but IMO imaginative only.

Along with their despair over the waste of lives in Iraq, my Rep. and Dem. US friends deplore the loss of their rights and freedoms as a result of GWB's insidious redefinition of presidential power, and they fear even more of a dictatorial state will arise in the USA as it does not matter so much as how people vote, but how those votes are counted. Electoral fraud is now a common fact in the USA, just like a banana republic, and deceit is a virtue. We are witnessing the moral and principle decay of America, foreshadowing a looming economic crisis, military defeats, and increasingly irrelevant and impotent world influence.

The US is excusing its ineffectiveness in Iraq by bemoaning that the enemy is not fighting a conventional war. LMFAO, they expect their enemy to do anything less than use every imaginable means to win? There is no attrition of the enemy in Iraq... suicide bombers, roadside explosives, rocket propelled grenades (American-supplied, of course, via not keeping track of what goes to whom), and militias arrive in an endless stream. The only way to win in Iraq, Afganistan, Iran and Syria is to nuke them all to hell, but then there is that pesky large presence of Muslims everywhere else in the world, including all western nations, which would take serious exception to genocide (well, nothing's perfect, he said, tongue firmly in cheek). The wars are already lost; there is no reconstruction, there is no security, there is no peace; the welcome mats for the "coalition forces" have been removed long ago.

Chaos has arrived and will soon be making an appearance at your doorstep.
 
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georgebushmoron said:
The Democrats, if they can manage to win, might win if only the Republicans hand it to them. Their only hope is Obama, that charismatic quasi-Arab-negro dude who seems to embody the American dream of coming onshore with nothing and making something of himself, like his peer Arnie. In 2 years time, Americans will be so anxious about Iraq even the dumb hicks of the American midwest might feel comfortable voting for an Arab, that is, to deal with the Muslims of the Middle East. But true to the nature of Democrats, being liberals, will not be able to present a unified agenda in 24 months. Why? Because like most all liberals, they have an inherent belief that their principles are universal and only have to wait until everyone eventually will see it their way. Not so for conservatives, who believe that they must protect their principles under constant embattlement from outside forces. So it is with liberals that they try to embrace everyone under "universal" principles and forget that real politics is occuring before them. They either don't think they need an agenda because their agenda is everybody's, or are so stuck in their universal principles mentality that an agenda seems unnecessary. The most successful liberals are ones who realise that everyone else is stupid and they are going to force their ideas unto them. A little bit of charisma helps too. Take Canada's Trudeau as one of them. Unfortunately, Obama does not have the necessary arrogance to do it.

If the Democrats win, they'll inherit an America with huge losses in influence on the world stage, an America teetering on bankruptcy. American predominance in world affairs is going to be short all thanks to the current Administration. A Democratic government is going to have a very very hard time.

God forbid they win, because they'll lose even bigger - perhaps they might even lose their party as a result. They won't be able to repair the damage in 4 years, and the consequences of the current era will be felt in that time. By the end of 4 years, American public opinion will be resolutely against the Democrats for failure to be effective, and the damage will be blamed on them. However, a smart Republican won't want to see the Democrats eliminated, instead, it's more profitable for them to have a prostrate and useless Democratic party they can run circles around and keep their saucy contracts. The elimination of the Democrats means Republicans will splinter, not good for the money trough.



Barack Obama's father is actually Kenyan which only makes him Negro and not Arab. Arabic is not a spoken language in Kenya.

I don't think that your average US constituent is quite ready yet for a Black Democrat president. 2008 is going to be all about McCain and Colin Powell if he chooses to run which I believe he will. Powell both as an accomplished military leader and diplomat will have the credibility to reduce the gap that was created between the current US administration and the rest of the international community. If he's able to achieve this; he would be successful in actually building a true multi national coalition to slowly stabilise Iraq. This will require convincing Iran that continuing to support the Shiites will only result in possible Sunni action spilling over its borders.
 

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JustAGuy said:
There already was someone who fit that description perfectly. His name was Saddam Hussein!".
I have been suggesting this for some time. The current situation could be solved by reinstalling Saddam and apologizing- "it was all a mistake", then pulling all foreign troops out of Iraq.
 

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luckydog71 said:
GWBM - I read this word for word and I find this very insightful... If you authored this all I can say is well done..
I'll take credit for it, it was all my own. Thanks LD, coming from you it's quite the compliment!

luckydog71 said:
BTW... I think the final election result will be a very divided congress. There will only be a 1 or a 2 seat majority in the house and the senate... A majority so slim nothing will get done and both sides will blame the other for lack of action..... Bush will veto a few bills this time and there will be 2 years of investigations and impeachment hearings...

There is a small window of opportunity for a 3rd party to come right up the middle and kick the shit out of both parties...

This party would need to be formed before the end of this year and then start running hard for 24 months... If they adopted conservative views (real conservative views, not GOP views) in areas of the economy, the military and immigration and then adopted libertarian views on the social issues like abortion, gay marriage, health care, welfare, and gun control, they could really kick ass.
Unfortunately for the American people, I think that your projections are correct. As for a window of opportunity for a 3rd party, let's hope it occurs but chances are slim. Nevertheless, I wouldn't want to see a party with libertarian views on gay issues, I'd go super conservative on that one. I'd go outright dictatorial on gun control (complete ban), and very libertarian on abortion and crime. But I'd keep capital punishment for a few special cases. But most of all, I'd pursue a foreign policy that is very militaristic and expansionist yet transparent, and without games or lies. I'd use NATO a lot.



Randy Whorewald said:
I have been suggesting this for some time. The current situation could be solved by reinstalling Saddam
Funny you should say that. Or funny that I hear (un)official criticism from pundits near Washington that things were better off for the Iraqi people when Sadaam was around. Nevertheless, the point was not to make things better for Iraqis, nor to remove a perceived threat, but to change the face of Central Asia for strategic purposes. Sadly, they missed their chance when they had that window of opportunity.
 
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