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Sonny

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A buddy forwarded this report from the Peace Arch News which serves White Rock and South Surrey. Just in case you wondered where the savings in spending come from - there can be no doubt about Conservative priorities here. The local MP, Russ Hiebert, has a severe case of Harper brown nose; only if the local population can make the government publicly embarrassed enough will there be some money that may save the summer camp for disabled program.

Camp A in jeopardy

By Brooke Larsen
Staff Reporter
Jan 12 2007


Camp Alexandra may close its summer programs in the wake of $55 million in federal spending cuts.

The Crescent Beach camp, which provides summer programs for low-income families, teen moms and the disabled, gets $25,000 to $30,000 a year to hire post-secondary students as camp counsellors and kitchen staff.

Last year, the camp hired eight students using $27,000 from the federal government, part of the camp’s $170,000 2006 budget.

But the Conservative government’s decision to cut spending to the Youth Employment Strategy by $55.4 million means there may be no funding for the camp this year.

Crescent Beach Community Services, the governing body for Camp Alexandra, will meet before February to decide the fate of the camp.

“This is a huge blow to the most vulnerable people in our community,” CBCS’ executive director Rennie Keates said.

“We have to decide in the short term if the program will go ahead this summer.”

More than 300 people attended the summer camps last year.

“For people with severe disabilities, this is the highlight of their year,” Keates said.

Reducing staff isn’t an option for the camp, which also gets funding through the United Way, fees and fundraising.

“The reality is, we provide camps for people with disabilities. We can’t reduce the staffing to a low level, because then we create a safety problem,” Keates said.

To make up for the lost funding, the camp would have to double its fees, which is out of the question, she said. The program for the mentally and physically disabled already costs $255 per person for a five-day camp.

“It’s a huge hike for someone who’s living on social assistance. We can’t raise the fees – they can’t afford to pay them.”

If the camp does close for the summer, Keates said it would be rented to private groups to fund other CBCS programs. The camp has received federal funding for 15 years and must apply for it each year, usually in February.

Keates didn’t know whether management would lose their jobs if the camp closed for the summer.

She wrote Peninsula MP Russ Hiebert asking for help but the Conservative MP said it’s too soon to know much federal cash the camp will get this year, since government is still retooling the program.

The new YES program, which has a budget of $355 million, will help at-risk youth find employment, Hiebert said.

Last summer, the YES program placed 50,000 Canadian youths in jobs.
 

Bartdude

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It's the Liberals' fault. It has to be.

That's Harper's answer for everything :rolleyes:
 

tedsweettangv

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I don't want to start a fight here but I don't have kids, why should my taxes go to send somebody else's kids to camp? Feed, cloth, house and educate seems like common decency. Video games, Skate boards and CAMP don't seem like a responsible use of my tax dollars.
 

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By criticising these cuts you are not supporting our troops.
 

Sonny

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tedsweettangv said:
I don't want to start a fight here but I don't have kids, why should my taxes go to send somebody else's kids to camp? Feed, cloth, house and educate seems like common decency. Video games, Skate boards and CAMP don't seem like a responsible use of my tax dollars.
let's see now - let's diminish teen moms, disabled kids (some severely), low-income families - yep, you're a real part of society and a candidate for the Humanitarian of the Year award
 

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tedsweettangv said:
I don't want to start a fight here but I don't have kids, why should my taxes go to send somebody else's kids to camp? Feed, cloth, house and educate seems like common decency. Video games, Skate boards and CAMP don't seem like a responsible use of my tax dollars.

It's called being part of society. I sure as hell don't drive on the roads near your place, but my tax dollars to the federal government helps pay for them. Perhaps if you learned a little about what community is? :rolleyes:
 

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dirtydan said:
It's called being part of society. I sure as hell don't drive on the roads near your place, but my tax dollars to the federal government helps pay for them. Perhaps if you learned a little about what community is? :rolleyes:

And where do you draw the line? Like I said clothing, housing, education all seem like "Community". Sending kids to camp seems like abuse of my tax dollars. How about 52" Plasma TV's for everybody? Opps sorry then you will bitch that they are not LCD T.V.'s.
 

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Sonny said:
LMFAO, priceless! You've so got Harper down to a tee.
ROFLMAO :D

You forgot "you're either with us, or you're with the terrorists."

Whoops, that's Bush.

Whoops again, same thing !! LOL

tedsweettangv said:
And where do you draw the line? Like I said clothing, housing, education all seem like "Community". Sending kids to camp seems like abuse of my tax dollars. How about 52" Plasma TV's for everybody? Opps sorry then you will bitch that they are not LCD T.V.'s.
Yeah, that's a logical argument :rolleyes:
 

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To the OP do you even understand economics?

Do you even understand the concept of spending money we don't have?

The fact is Stephen Harper is doing a pretty good job. A fact that must really gall you. For one minute step out of your partisan politics and give due where it's due. The man is doing a better job than the past 5 Liberal PM's, who were all doorknobs.

I'm not a Liberal and I'm not a Conserative - I give due where it's deserved.

Try thinking for yourself for once.

The Liberals put us in a financial nightmare of a mess, spending more than we take in.

I challenge you to do that with your personal finances and see how long you last before you are bankrupt. The fact is you can't do it.

Every time the gov't trys to balance the budget someone is going to be unhappy.

If you cut any program someone is going to cry.

Give your head a shake.
 

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chilli said:
To the OP do you even understand economics?

Do you even understand the concept of spending money we don't have?

The fact is Stephen Harper is doing a pretty good job. A fact that must really gall you.
It apparently galls a lot of people - polls have the Liberals and CPC neck-and-neck. And this after the election fallout from a Liberal government scandal.

chilli said:
For one minute step out of your partisan politics and give due where it's due. The man is doing a better job than the past 5 Liberal PM's, who were all doorknobs ......
chilli said:
I'm not a Liberal and I'm not a Conserative
Yup....you certainly sound like a reasonable, objective, centrist-thinking person to me :rolleyes:
The Liberals put us in a financial nightmare of a mess, spending more than we take in.
Um, where did you learn YOUR economics, not to mention your history. The Liberals ran surplus budgets pretty much the entire time they took office - courtesy that "doorknob" Paul Martin.

chilli said:
Give your head a shake.
I did. I just realized you're an idiot.
 
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jjinvan said:
So, they do away with an inefficient $55.4 million dollar program and replace it with a $355 million dollar program and some moronic reported gets pulled into the politics of one group that is trying to hedge their bets to get funding under the new program with media attention instead of applying with a good case like everyone else...

What exactly is the problem here? That the media is so left wing that they will twist and misrepresent everything with a negative spin on the conservatives?

Yep, sounds like a big problem to me..
You totally misread the article....they are cutting spending BY $55.4 million....also, please point out specifics in the article that are biased against the Conservatives.
 

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They're not necessarily cutting spending they're just replacing Liberal programs with ones of their own.
 

Sonny

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jjinvan said:
So, they do away with an inefficient $55.4 million dollar program and replace it with a $355 million dollar program...
The actual fact is that the YES program was cut by $55 million to a reduced amount of $355 million. Prior to the cuts the Youth Employment Strategy placed 50,000 Canadian youths in jobs (better than stealing cars, I'd say) as well as enabling programs for disabled kids like Camp Alexandra.

jjinvan said:
...and some moronic reported gets pulled into the politics of one group that is trying to hedge their bets to get funding under the new program with media attention instead of applying with a good case like everyone else....
I'd say the case is elementary, dear Watson. Only $27,000 of federal money, combined with fundraising, the United Way and fees provided participation for 300 people. I wager dollars to doughnuts that the reason why the issue became public is that the feds, in their response to annual funding requests, did not indicate the money was coming this year. It's already mid-January. I know from a family member's personal experience as a program director for a similar camp in another province, that it takes a lot of time to set everything up, and knowing the funding is in place has to occur certainly by now.

jjinvan said:
...What exactly is the problem here? That the media is so left wing that they will twist and misrepresent everything with a negative spin on the conservatives? Yep, sounds like a big problem to me...
Where in the story is there misrepresentation?

jjinvan said:
...ps: Anyone who even attempts to say that I don't care about the kids who go to that camp needs to seriously get their head examined.
I don't doubt that everyone can appreciate the benefits that the camp program provides to the participants: teen moms, low-income families and disabled kids. It's just that why does the federal government (which happens to be Conservative at this time) not readily recognize this. If they did, they would have answered the camp group's annual funding request with a positive response. Let's hope that, now with the bright light of public awareness is on the issue, the Conservative government will fund the program.

One wonders what other YES programs may be affected by a $55 million cut. That's a lot of money, and there will be many initiatives not funded. So how is the $55 million being used instead?
 

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I say take the money there going waste to by guns for the border guards and restore this program. This is program is much more usefull in giving hope and building self esteem for these kids than buy weapons of death.

As for the media, I don't think there "left wing" biased they are doing there job by reporting the facts. If anything, eversince the Cons have siezed power I've noticed that some media have been favouring the right.
 

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tedsweettangv said:
And where do you draw the line? Like I said clothing, housing, education all seem like "Community". Sending kids to camp seems like abuse of my tax dollars. How about 52" Plasma TV's for everybody? Opps sorry then you will bitch that they are not LCD T.V.'s.
you sir are exactly whats wrong with society today. the "me first" attitude that is so prevelent today that is eating away at the core of what we used to be. camp can do a lot to teach one about life. there are activities done that do relate directly to adulthood and being a better person and a functioning member of society.

everyone always bitches about kids being little fuckups and getting into trouble all the time and shit like that. yet when they have something to do like these camps that keeps them out of trouble and may even help in the future of molding that person to a responsible member of society you take exception.

great narrow minded, short sighted view you have there. hope that works out for ya. then maybe next summer all those little shits that could have been in camp learning valuable life skills and having fun and doing something productive could be trying meth for the first time and breaking into your house or car or egging your house or something along those lines.

good luck.
 

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Bartdude said:
The Liberals ran surplus budgets pretty much the entire time they took office - courtesy that "doorknob" Paul Martin.
Both Liberals (under Trudeau) and Cons (Mulroney) have ran deficits. Martin had a surplus budget. Kind of parallels Clinton, the "tax-and-spend Dumbocrat" trying to clean up their financial mess and then Bush comes in and blows it all. But I digress.
Harper was willing to make any promise to get elected and now that he has tasted power will do anything to keep it, look at his flip on Quebec's status as a nation and his attempt to appear "green"(though not for twenty years). He cuts Liberal programs that were "boondoggles" and replaces them with his own programs that acheive the same thing.
His "Federal Accountability Act" that he and his bootlicks are constantly blathering on about has not been passed but he has sneaked in a busload of Order-in-Council patronage appointments through the back door without any oversight. And despite his promise of government transparency, his caucus is kept on a very tight leash, if you see any interviews of his MPs they just repeat the same script over and over, often looking like idiots in the process. Or scared bunnies. One was on the radio the other day talking about the environment and all he did was repeat the Tory line about government accountability over and over while evading questions. That is why I made the "support the troops" comment. Harper tries to duck questions by changing the subject, like in his campaign when he refused to discuss anything but his five core issues.
I had high hopes for Harper but I'm starting to wonder.
 
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